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The 2012 New England Patriots

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walrus said:
There's lots of blame to go around, dropped passes, poor time management, poor play calling, no pass rush, I last saw Wilfork on a milk carton. But in the end I think you're right in that Brady hasn't been very good in the playoffs the last few years. Doesn't have that little something you need
to be great.
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I concur with most of this recent sentiment...one question for everybody, how different were the Houston and Baltimore defenses and did it appear we were far more conservative against Baltimore? I know good defense beats good offense, but it is easier if the offense runs the exact same plays they ran all year. The passes to Vereen were a departure in the Houston game. Were there many 'wrinkles' in the Baltimore game...although punting from the 37 probably surprised them.

the only real variance I saw was Mallett on the punt team.

I thought the ground game was BORING and I think I've seen every one of those pass plays before. They snapped one directly to the RB, but we've shown that play before, albeit sporadically.

When we got in the red zone, did we throw any passes into the endzone? I may be projecting but it seems if the Pats get out early they open the playbook and just stomp on people but if it isn't cranking early they get very predictable...almost like they have new/exotic plays but they are only on the back of the call-sheet in the "if we're ahead by 14 or more, run these plays". The SF game may also be an example..."when we get down by 28 go for their throat, when it is tied, be vewwy careful"
 
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Pats signed the CFL pass rusher everyone was after...armond armstead
 
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pirate said:
When we got in the red zone, did we throw any passes into the endzone?
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Wow, that's an excellent question. Other than the one TD to Welker (which I know you're not including), I'm pretty certain they didn't. All game. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything. I'm going to have to chew on that for awhile. I recall people saying that because Baltimore's RZ defense was strong that NE would attack once they got inside the 40. But it didn't happen.
 
Jason A said:
Wow, that's an excellent question. Other than the one TD to Welker (which I know you're not including), I'm pretty certain they didn't. All game. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything. I'm going to have to chew on that for awhile. I recall people saying that because Baltimore's RZ defense was strong that NE would attack once they got inside the 40. But it didn't happen.
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I think they threw the 1 yard TD pass because it was too hard to have the play only gain .5yards and then have to throw one for .25 yards on the following play.

I know Gronkowski is a big part of their RZ passing game but "if I were a NFL OC" I would at least make them think they have to cover the additional 10 yards of the endzone
 
Jason A said:
Wow, that's an excellent question. Other than the one TD to Welker (which I know you're not including), I'm pretty certain they didn't. All game. I could be wrong, but I don't recall anything. I'm going to have to chew on that for awhile. I recall people saying that because Baltimore's RZ defense was strong that NE would attack once they got inside the 40. But it didn't happen.
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There was one to Hernandez on the third and short that Brady
Should have ran for
 
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Welker to Denver, Peyton and Wes will tear up the league just like Brady and Wes did, 12 million for 2 years
 
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$12M for 2 years seems cheap for a guy who catches 100 passes every year. :(
 
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Jason A said:
$12M for 2 years seems cheap for a guy who catches 100 passes every year. :(
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I thought ESPN did a great job yesterday talking about this on M&M. In football you don't pay for what has happened you pay for what is going to happen. Few Albert Pujols type contracts due to the cap.

So, the question isn't whether Welker earned $12M with his performance over the last several years...it is who will NE get that will catch 100+ passes over the next 2 years for 1/2 or less of what Welker wanted. With all due respect to Wes, other people can do what he does. Not dozens of them, but BB made him and BB will make somebody else. So, let Denver waste that high a % of the cap on a guy who catches 6 yard passes....they just can't pay for something else. Slot receiver isn't a $12M a year position.
 
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walrus said:
Thats why Wes is getting 6 million a year
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was either reading or typing too fast, can't tell which.

But we have the answer on who will be catching 100+ passes for NE next year. 5 years younger, $10mm guaranteed...a message to Wes???
 
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pirate said:
was either reading or typing too fast, can't tell which.

But we have the answer on who will be catching 100+ passes for NE next year. 5 years younger, $10mm guaranteed...a message to Wes???
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but still the same average contract... $12/2 or $31/5 (same guarantee, yes)

message is.... brady is a suckah :D
 
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Too cute by half out of Belichick. Really don't see how this improves the team especially with Brady getting a year closer to expiration date. A fair assessment of Belichick's career, while a great one, has to include that he p!ssed away two sure Super Bowl wins by thinking he could get by without Ty Law. 2006 (Indy AFCC debacle) and 2007 (stone hands Samuel letting clinching INT bounce off his hands) would have been in the bag. Not sure how an offense that's sputtered in their last two season ending games is better off with this exchange of Welker for whatshisname.
 
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Rover said:
Too cute by half out of Belichick. Really don't see how this improves the team especially with Brady getting a year closer to expiration date. A fair assessment of Belichick's career, while a great one, has to include that he p!ssed away two sure Super Bowl wins by thinking he could get by without Ty Law. 2006 (Indy AFCC debacle) and 2007 (stone hands Samuel letting clinching INT bounce off his hands) would have been in the bag. Not sure how an offense that's sputtered in their last two season ending games is better off with this exchange of Welker for whatshisname.
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Welker dropped the game winner in the last Super Bowl, I wonder if that had something to do with it?
 
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It smells like garbage that they let Welker go. But, I will be perfectly happy if they spend money on the D to improve this team. They have proved time in and time out that they can interchange parts of the O and still have a great offense. But they have also proved that a shotty D will make them lose the big game time in and time out. GET SOME GREAT GUYS ON D!
 
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