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The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
Kevin McCarthy is the current Majority Leader and seems to be the CW favorite.
Eric Cantor must be so p-ssed.
Kevin McCarthy is the current Majority Leader and seems to be the CW favorite.
Eric Cantor must be so p-ssed.
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
And his tenure will be a short one. Replace one Establishment stiff with another one? Great, but I'm not sure I see the point unless the only goal is to have someone who's not weeping 24/7.
Personally, I want to see a lunatic in charge! Only way for them to learn that governing isn't the same thing as doing the right wing talk show circuit.
Kevin McCarthy is the current Majority Leader and seems to be the CW favorite.
Eric Cantor must be so p-ssed.
And his tenure will be a short one. Replace one Establishment stiff with another one? Great, but I'm not sure I see the point unless the only goal is to have someone who's not weeping 24/7.
Personally, I want to see a lunatic in charge! Only way for them to learn that governing isn't the same thing as doing the right wing talk show circuit.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
We could see some interesting electioneering, but I doubt it. It's in both the establishment and the insurgency's interests to pass it to an establishment figure. That lets things get done so the government doesn't collapse, and it also lets the crazies gnash their teeth about the establishment when they go tub-thumping next summer. The smart ones among the wackadoodles also know that it's possible that a wave election could flip the House, and if that happens they don't want the blame. Finally, they know even if they hold the House the Senate is likely going to flip, in which case a radical House speaker wouldn't be able to get anything done anyway, so why waste the benefits of incumbency in that slot on a guy who is most likely powerless.
Now, if the GOP pulls off a hat trick in 2016 it's going to be Night of the Long Knives inside the GOP caucus when they vote in the new Congress' officers, because the stakes will be insanely high.
We could see some interesting electioneering, but I doubt it. It's in both the establishment and the insurgency's interests to pass it to an establishment figure. That lets things get done so the government doesn't collapse, and it also lets the crazies gnash their teeth about the establishment when they go tub-thumping next summer. The smart ones among the wackadoodles also know that it's possible that a wave election could flip the House, and if that happens they don't want the blame. Finally, they know even if they hold the House the Senate is likely going to flip, in which case a radical House speaker wouldn't be able to get anything done anyway, so why waste the benefits of incumbency in that slot on a guy who is most likely powerless.
Now, if the GOP pulls off a hat trick in 2016 it's going to be Night of the Long Knives inside the GOP caucus when they vote in the new Congress' officers, because the stakes will be insanely high.
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The problem is the wackadoodles don't care about the long term health of the party. I understand that's not logical, but that's the way they act. Its like how people expect Ted Cruz to not cause a govt shutdown, because it'll hurt his party.
He doesn't give a rat's arse. Furthermore if an Establishment type gets the GOP nomination, is it in Cruz', etc interests to see them win (and thus be out of the nomination picture for 8 years or longer since sitting VP's tend to be next in line), or lose? Likewise if an Establishment dude gets the Speaker chair (which they could since nobody really wants the job) is it in Goehmert, etc interest to support them, or rail against them?
Put a nutter in charge and at least you end the palace intrigue that's been going on since 2010. Put a Boner clone in there and nothing changes.
The problem is the wackadoodles don't care about the long term health of the party. I understand that's not logical, but that's the way they act. Its like how people expect Ted Cruz to not cause a govt shutdown, because it'll hurt his party.
He doesn't give a rat's arse. Furthermore if an Establishment type gets the GOP nomination, is it in Cruz', etc interests to see them win (and thus be out of the nomination picture for 8 years or longer since sitting VP's tend to be next in line), or lose? Likewise if an Establishment dude gets the Speaker chair (which they could since nobody really wants the job) is it in Goehmert, etc interest to support them, or rail against them? Put a nutter in charge and at least you end the palace intrigue that's been going on since 2010. Put a Boner clone in there and nothing changes.
The problem is the wackadoodles don't care about the long term health of the party. I understand that's not logical, but that's the way they act. Its like how people expect Ted Cruz to not cause a govt shutdown, because it'll hurt his party.
Put a nutter in charge and at least you end the palace intrigue that's been going on since 2010. Put a Boner clone in there and nothing changes.
Just like Labour did in Great Britain.
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
Sorta. I think Labour has the problem of part of their coalition walked off the reservation (Scotland, now controlled by the Scottish Independence Party). It would be almost like if the dwindling remaining moderates decided to form their own party, leaving a hard right GOP contingent totally made up of TP'ers.
Sorta. I think Labour has the problem of part of their coalition walked off the reservation (Scotland, now controlled by the Scottish Independence Party). It would be almost like if the dwindling remaining moderates decided to form their own party, leaving a hard right GOP contingent totally made up of TP'ers.
Taxed Enough Already is not the problem. The idiots who *** with the idea of limited federal government are the problem.
unofan
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Holy crap are you way wrong on that one. The Tea Party is to the Republicans what the Green Party is to the Dems; the only difference is one party let the inmates take over the asylum.
I will never vote for a GOP candidate who cannot stand up to the TP idiots in their party. This cycle, that means all of them.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
Gee, he was such a "Jobs, jobs, jobs" Speaker. All those job bills he passed.
Gee, he was such a "Jobs, jobs, jobs" Speaker. All those job bills he passed.
unofan
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Oh I'm sure he did. I don't know who's leading the TP caucus with Bachmann gone, but imagine if that person had the role of Speaker.
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
I like how people are trying to list his "accomplishments" and the one they came up with was No Child Left Behind! Its a miracle he lasted as long as he did, but again, nobody wanted the job.
PS - I see Paul Ryan isn't going to make a bid.
I like how people are trying to list his "accomplishments" and the one they came up with was No Child Left Behind! Its a miracle he lasted as long as he did, but again, nobody wanted the job.
PS - I see Paul Ryan isn't going to make a bid.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
The debate has been was the GOP House paralyzed because Boehner was powerless or was Boehner powerless because the GOP House was paralyzed. We're about to find out.
The debate has been was the GOP House paralyzed because Boehner was powerless or was Boehner powerless because the GOP House was paralyzed. We're about to find out.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
Tim Huelskamp is the head of the TP Caucus in the House.
Here: have a taste.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Tim Huelskamp is the head of the TP Caucus in the House.
Here: have a taste.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
All you had to say was:
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Kansas
All you had to say was:
US Representative
GOP
Kansas
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?
The Plan is starting to come together.
What happens is this: the real legislation will be the clean bill. Then there will be a separate measure saying various argle bargle about PP that allows the nutbars to save face back home, and which will make zero difference because Obama will veto it.
The True Believer hard core lunatics have been saying for weeks that they will not support this strategy because (and they are correct about this) it's just the establishment GOP throwing the movement goal (rolling back womens' reproductive rights) under the bus in exchange for weak sauce symbolism to keep the rubes mollified. Evidently those Members either don't know or don't care how democracies function, since there is no way for them to achieve their goals in a county where women and college graduates vote.
But there's also a secondary wing of Members who say all the nutbar stuff for the eejits back in the district, but who also can count and realize that stuff is just for show. They go along with The Plan, then go home and tell Ma and Pa Christianist that, heavens, they did their part by backing this strong pro-life measure and it woulda worked too if it hadn't been for that commie Muslin negro Obama.
Everybody wins. There's no shutdown, PP gets their money for non-abortion stuff, the GOP doesn't get blamed for a shutdown, and the True Believers get to do their martyr act and moan about the Second Coming.
The Plan is starting to come together.
What happens is this: the real legislation will be the clean bill. Then there will be a separate measure saying various argle bargle about PP that allows the nutbars to save face back home, and which will make zero difference because Obama will veto it.
The True Believer hard core lunatics have been saying for weeks that they will not support this strategy because (and they are correct about this) it's just the establishment GOP throwing the movement goal (rolling back womens' reproductive rights) under the bus in exchange for weak sauce symbolism to keep the rubes mollified. Evidently those Members either don't know or don't care how democracies function, since there is no way for them to achieve their goals in a county where women and college graduates vote.
But there's also a secondary wing of Members who say all the nutbar stuff for the eejits back in the district, but who also can count and realize that stuff is just for show. They go along with The Plan, then go home and tell Ma and Pa Christianist that, heavens, they did their part by backing this strong pro-life measure and it woulda worked too if it hadn't been for that commie Muslin negro Obama.
Everybody wins. There's no shutdown, PP gets their money for non-abortion stuff, the GOP doesn't get blamed for a shutdown, and the True Believers get to do their martyr act and moan about the Second Coming.
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