What's new
By:
USCHO Fan Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.

The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

FlagDUDE08 said:
That should show you there's no difference. Both parties want to spend spend spend, but they only want to spend spend spend if it has their letter attached to it, and they'll do anything to make sure that other letter doesn't get on there. At the end of the day, though, both parties have zero fiscal discipline. If this were Sim City, they'd be ousted.
Click to expand...

They'll just keep typing "FUND" until the game overflows and issues them a bond at -255% interest.
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Twitch Boy said:
They'll just keep typing "FUND" until the game overflows and issues them a bond at -255% interest.
Click to expand...

I can't remember if it was SimCity or SimCity 2000 where "iamacheat' gave you all tech, all rewards, and $500,000 cash each time. So you could have fusion powerplants in 1900 and few dozen mayor's mansions. :p
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I can't remember if it was SimCity or SimCity 2000 where "iamacheat' gave you all tech, all rewards, and $500,000 cash each time. So you could have fusion powerplants in 1900 and few dozen mayor's mansions. :p
Click to expand...

Not sure. What I described is from 2000. I know "i am weak" in 3000 means you build everything for free, but still have to pay maintenance costs.
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

FlagDUDE08 said:
Turnabout is fair play, or hypocritical knuck? http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...can-read-obamatrade-after-we-pass-obamatrade/

tl;dr version: Paul Ryan says "We have to pass this bill to see what's in it." Famously said by Nancy Pelosi regarding PPACA.
Click to expand...

Right wing objections to the ACA were always hypocritical. I seriously doubt many lawmakers on either side of the aisle read too many bills in their entirety. However that's now going to be the standard for any bill. You reap what you sow I guess...
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Rover said:
Right wing objections to the ACA were always hypocritical. I seriously doubt many lawmakers on either side of the aisle read too many bills in their entirety. However that's now going to be the standard for any bill. You reap what you sow I guess...
Click to expand...

Members don't even read the bills they "author," the LA (Leg Asst) they have assigned to that committee does. If the Member happens to have actual experience or strong interest, they might read portions, but even then bills are 90% ghastly procedural and appropriations language that could as easily be about milk as missiles.

Let's take a completely random sample from the PPACA:

p. 614:

(B) PROHIBITED APPOINTMENTS.—Members of the Commission
shall not include Members of Congress or other
elected Federal, State, or local government officials.
(C) QUALIFICATIONS.—In making appointments under
subparagraph (A), the majority and minority leaders of the
Senate and the Speaker and minority leader of the House
of Representatives shall appoint individuals who have
shown a dedication to improving civic dialogue and decision-making
through the wide use of scientific evidence
and factual information.
(D) PERIOD OF APPOINTMENT.—Each member of the
Commission shall be appointed for a 2-year term, except
that 1 initial appointment shall be for 3 years. Any vacancies
shall not affect the power and duties of the Commission
but shall be filled in the same manner as the original
appointment and shall last only for the remainder of that
term.
(E) DATE.—Members of the Commission shall be appointed
by not later than 30 days after the date of enactment
of this Act.
(F) INITIAL ORGANIZING PERIOD.—–Not later than 60
days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Commission
shall develop and implement a schedule for completion
of the review and reports required under subsection
(d).
(G) CO-CHAIRPERSONS.—The Commission shall select 2
Co-Chairpersons from among its members.
(c) DUTIES OF THE COMMISSION.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Commission shall—
(A) conduct comprehensive oversight of a newly established
key national indicators system consistent with the
purpose described in this subsection;
(B) make recommendations on how to improve the key
national indicators system;
(C) coordinate with Federal Government users and information
providers to assure access to relevant and quality
data; and
(D) enter into contracts with the Academy.
(2) REPORTS.—
(A) ANNUAL REPORT TO CONGRESS.—Not later than 1
year after the selection of the 2 Co-Chairpersons of the
Commission, and each subsequent year thereafter, the
Commission shall prepare and submit to the appropriate
Committees of Congress and the President a report that
contains a detailed statement of the recommendations,
findings, and conclusions of the Commission on the activities
of the Academy and a designated Institute related to
the establishment of a Key National Indicator System.
(B) ANNUAL REPORT TO THE ACADEMY.—
(i) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 6 months after
the selection of the 2 Co-Chairpersons of the Commission,
and each subsequent year thereafter, the Commission
shall prepare and submit to the Academy and
a designated Institute a report making recommenda-
Click to expand...

Get all that?

Even top notch attorneys' eyes glaze over on that stuff, and Members, even if they are lawyers, are not "top notch" anything but baby-kissers and fundraisers. And the thing is, they shouldn't read all that crap -- less than 10% of the language actually has anything to do with the special content of the bill.

When LBJ was in the Senate and famously used to "read" bills on the toilet, he was actually having his LD (Leg Director) brief him on the bill (although the being on the toilet part is right -- LBJ was big about using toilets to tell you just where you ranked with him. "Well, let's bury the cotton subsidy -- *plop* -- and put in some sugar for Detroit -- *fart* -- pause -- *flush* -- No further business today.")

The "they didn't even read the bill" ploy could have been played on every bill written in the last 150 years.
 
Last edited:
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

bronconick said:
They're trying to come up with a way to pre-impeach Hilldog.
Click to expand...

All this stuff does is help Hillary...you would think they would learn after trying to oust Bill the people like it up until a certain point then they start to ignore and support the "victim".
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

I will be surprised if Hillary doesn't find a way to shrewdly play both sides of the coin. She'll be a victim of Republican misogyny, and a tough-as-nails survivor of whatever attack missiles are lobbed her way.
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

bronconick said:
They're trying to come up with a way to pre-impeach Hilldog.
Click to expand...

The Republicans decided a long time ago that any Democratic president was to be impeached. That old stuff about "the loyal opposition" must not be in their Creationist history text books. :rolleyes:
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Kepler said:
The Republicans decided a long time ago that any Democratic president was to be impeached. That old stuff about "the loyal opposition" must not be in their Creationist history text books. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Just like how your side tried to figure out how to get Dubya impeached?
 
TimP said:
Oh boy, F@gdude, you're really reaching on that one. You've said some idiotic things, but this one takes the cake.
Click to expand...

As bad as old pio and flaggy are as trolls, you're ten times worse.

That's just amateur hour right there.
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Seems to me the impact on the US of Bush pretty heavily outweighed that of Clinton in terms of any rationale for a hypothetical impeachment.

But maybe I missed something. How much of their governmental resources did Dems put into addressing W's actions? Before or after he was out of office?
 
Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

5mn_Major said:
Seems to me the impact on the US of Bush pretty heavily outweighed that of Clinton in terms of any rationale for a hypothetical impeachment.

But maybe I missed something. How much of their governmental resources did Dems put into addressing W's actions? Before or after he was out of office?
Click to expand...

If a minute of lip service was worth a nickel, you could pay off the entire public debt. Heck, how many times in the first term did Obummer point the finger at Dubya to explain his failures?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top