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The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
I'm always surprised by how my conservative co-workers, many of whom have otherwise pretty good senses of humor, just don't "get" TDS. It isn't that they see it as threatening or insulting (which they most certainly do with Colbert) -- they just aren't tuned to that frequency. They have remarked they are similarly surprised I don't "get" Rush's humor (which they assure me is omnipresent). Like them with Stewart, what they find funny I just find predictable and stupid.
People are different. I can't imagine not finding Stewart hysterically funny but, hey, Gallagher makes money somehow too.
I'm always surprised by how my conservative co-workers, many of whom have otherwise pretty good senses of humor, just don't "get" TDS. It isn't that they see it as threatening or insulting (which they most certainly do with Colbert) -- they just aren't tuned to that frequency. They have remarked they are similarly surprised I don't "get" Rush's humor (which they assure me is omnipresent). Like them with Stewart, what they find funny I just find predictable and stupid.
People are different. I can't imagine not finding Stewart hysterically funny but, hey, Gallagher makes money somehow too.
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Priceless
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Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
You have to work on your political terminology.
We're Communists, Socialists, terrorist sympathizers and moonbats who hate 'Mericuh.
You and your kind are knuckle draggers, tea baggers and regressives stuck in a pre-1776 mentality.
There are no moderates and no independents.
You have to work on your political terminology.
We're Communists, Socialists, terrorist sympathizers and moonbats who hate 'Mericuh.
You and your kind are knuckle draggers, tea baggers and regressives stuck in a pre-1776 mentality.
There are no moderates and no independents.
Foxton
Banned
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
I was going to post the picture of me with Gallagher after his show at Tech my freshman year but I can't find it. **** it.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
That would have been great. I suppose you could have posted Gallagher with anybody, though...
I was going to post the picture of me with Gallagher after his show at Tech my freshman year but I can't find it. **** it.
That would have been great. I suppose you could have posted Gallagher with anybody, though...
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
How dare you!!!!
Getting back to the teachers for a second I think The Daily Show was hilarious tonight with their comparing of the teachers union fight with the wall street bailout. There is nothing quite like showing people (clips from Fox and of course the ever idiotic Michelle Bachman) defend the bonuses and benefits that the CEOs got after they destroyed the global economy because they had "contracts" and they are just trying to pay their mortgages and scratch out a living but the teachers should give up their benefits because they get paid too much and should do what is best for everyone else contracts be ****ed. Even better when they were talking about how the 51k salary was just uber high for teachers but apparently the 250k which was the level of the Bush Tax cuts was nothing and certainly wasnt rich like everyone thinks. (for a family of four that wont pay for nothing I guess...apparently teachers dont have families)
Remember folks, 250k is not a lot of money but 51k certainly is! And remember, when you are part of destroying about a trillion dollars worth of wealth by cheating and gaming the system you deserve that 7 figure bonus (and certainly should never be punished) because you had a contract and without your talent surely the economy would die...but if you are a teacher you should ignore the contract that was negotiated because really you have no value. This message brought to you by Fox News
Yes I know its the Daily Show, yes I know it isnt news, no that doesnt mean they are wrong no matter how much you want them to be
How dare you!!!!
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Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
48% strongly disapprove. That's impressive.
48% strongly disapprove. That's impressive.
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And that's Rasmussen.
I would have to believe that only a portion is due to support for the unions...and much of it is the result of the chaos due to forcing the showdown.
And that's Rasmussen.
I would have to believe that only a portion is due to support for the unions...and much of it is the result of the chaos due to forcing the showdown.
WeWantMore
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Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
On Mitch Daniels first day in office, he signed an executive order eliminating collective bargaining rights. His approval rating plummeted 30 points. In 2008, he received 58% percent of the vote to win reelection. This while Obama was winning the presidential vote in the state. Not guaranteeing anything obviously, but just saying a turnaround is possible.
On Mitch Daniels first day in office, he signed an executive order eliminating collective bargaining rights. His approval rating plummeted 30 points. In 2008, he received 58% percent of the vote to win reelection. This while Obama was winning the presidential vote in the state. Not guaranteeing anything obviously, but just saying a turnaround is possible.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
That's cause he knew that 51 was too much and 200 was too little.
EDIT: Just heard on Fox News. Teachers salaries are ARTIFICIALLY HIGH.
That's cause he knew that 51 was too much and 200 was too little.
EDIT: Just heard on Fox News. Teachers salaries are ARTIFICIALLY HIGH.
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Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
The poll is skewed towards union households so yeah, they disapprove.
You have to read the whole article and know a ilttle bit about demographics.
The poll is skewed towards union households so yeah, they disapprove.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
so will be the layoffs
so will be the layoffs
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
Lay them off, hand out vouchers, rinse. Repeat.
Lay them off, hand out vouchers, rinse. Repeat.
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
This from the article (near the very end);
The first part. Fact: 30% of the households polled include a union member. This from the NY Times, Feb. 28, 2011 "In November’s midterm elections, just 17 percent of voters nationwide were from a household that included at least one union member, down from 23 percent in the 2006 midterm elections, according to national exit polls. " So once again they show they have skewed the poll towards union supporters.
I'm surprised they only got 48% disapproval.
This from the article (near the very end);
2 points here to consider. Starting with the second part. Fact: 52% of Wisconsin voters voted for Walker. The poll includes a smaller proportion of those voters. That makes it skewed toward Barretts supporters, ie Unions. The article tries to explain why but omits the obvious. They polled more Democrats than Republicans.
The first part. Fact: 30% of the households polled include a union member. This from the NY Times, Feb. 28, 2011 "In November’s midterm elections, just 17 percent of voters nationwide were from a household that included at least one union member, down from 23 percent in the 2006 midterm elections, according to national exit polls. " So once again they show they have skewed the poll towards union supporters.
I'm surprised they only got 48% disapproval.
leswp1
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To be picky-How can you compare national statistics to Wisconsin ones? If you did that in Mass it wouldn't work for a lot of stats, pretty sure it wouldn't in Wisco either. What is the % of Wisconsin population that has a union member in the house? That would be a better comparison to see if sample is skewed. I see no flaw in the % of pro and against the % difference in the election was only 4%. Not like they skewed it by 10-20 %. Collecting a sample I would say that was an even split.
Also- 52% is not an overwhelming majority. Why do political pundits say the majority and go on the assumption that more than 50% automatically negates the other side. With a margin of error that is statistically insignificant. (I know that a vote is not a margin of error). I would not be impressed with any plan from either side where just shy of 50% were not buying in. This is where compromise (Ha~ a swear word over 5 letters) would be warranted.
To be picky-How can you compare national statistics to Wisconsin ones? If you did that in Mass it wouldn't work for a lot of stats, pretty sure it wouldn't in Wisco either. What is the % of Wisconsin population that has a union member in the house? That would be a better comparison to see if sample is skewed. I see no flaw in the % of pro and against the % difference in the election was only 4%. Not like they skewed it by 10-20 %. Collecting a sample I would say that was an even split.
Also- 52% is not an overwhelming majority. Why do political pundits say the majority and go on the assumption that more than 50% automatically negates the other side. With a margin of error that is statistically insignificant. (I know that a vote is not a margin of error). I would not be impressed with any plan from either side where just shy of 50% were not buying in. This is where compromise (Ha~ a swear word over 5 letters) would be warranted.
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
A state like Wisconsin has more Dems than Republicans...Republicans just turn out more to the polls.
More importantly and assuming you're right about the 30% union number...the article states that private sector union members gave Walker a higher approval rating than that of the whole state.
So if your claim is correct that the poll was skewed towards union members, one would infer that more accurate representation would have acually been worse for Walker (which wouldn't surprise me as Rasmussen has a historical right wing bias).
A state like Wisconsin has more Dems than Republicans...Republicans just turn out more to the polls.
More importantly and assuming you're right about the 30% union number...the article states that private sector union members gave Walker a higher approval rating than that of the whole state.
So if your claim is correct that the poll was skewed towards union members, one would infer that more accurate representation would have acually been worse for Walker (which wouldn't surprise me as Rasmussen has a historical right wing bias).
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
How do you know there are more Dems than Reps? Perhaps the Dems just register as Dems more than the Reps register as Reps? I know a lot of conservatives that vote GOP but don't consider themselves republican.
You are wrong about a more acurate poll being worse for the Governor. While the Private union homes mirrored the state more accurately, Public union homes dissapproved of the Gov near 80%. Since Public union homes outnumbered privates 2:1 skewing towards union homes hurts the Gov.
I hadn't noticed that the Private Union Households approved of the Gov more than the State overall. That tells me it's not the unions vs Walker, but Public Unions vs Walker. And why not, he isn't trying to take anything away from Private Unions.
How do you know there are more Dems than Reps? Perhaps the Dems just register as Dems more than the Reps register as Reps? I know a lot of conservatives that vote GOP but don't consider themselves republican.
You are wrong about a more acurate poll being worse for the Governor. While the Private union homes mirrored the state more accurately, Public union homes dissapproved of the Gov near 80%. Since Public union homes outnumbered privates 2:1 skewing towards union homes hurts the Gov.
I hadn't noticed that the Private Union Households approved of the Gov more than the State overall. That tells me it's not the unions vs Walker, but Public Unions vs Walker. And why not, he isn't trying to take anything away from Private Unions.
WeWantMore
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Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker
I hate agreeing with 5mn, but I do think he's right on the Dem/Rep split in Wisconsin, there are more people who identify as Dems. (With open primaries, there's no need to officially register as anything.) As big a spread as pollsters believe it to be? That's always a subject of debate.
I hate agreeing with 5mn, but I do think he's right on the Dem/Rep split in Wisconsin, there are more people who identify as Dems. (With open primaries, there's no need to officially register as anything.) As big a spread as pollsters believe it to be? That's always a subject of debate.
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