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The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

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"Instead of asking themselves what happened to their own pensions and benefits, Americans are envious of those remaining persons who have them."

Yay, America.
 
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unofan said:
To the best of my knowledge, none of them threatened to actually bust the union, however. They simply demanded concessions from the unions or signaled their intent to do so at the next round of negotiations.
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Shhh...we dont allow for context to go in to arguments here. :D

Walker is trying to save money not break unions that is why when the unions gave into his demands he gave up his fight...oh wait...
 
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Handyman said:
Shhh...we dont allow for context to go in to arguments here. :D

Walker is trying to save money not break unions that is why when the unions gave into his demands he gave up his fight...oh wait...
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Don't forget the part where he snuck onto the budget bill an option for him to sell Wisconsin utilities for pennies on the dollar in no-bid situations, and that Koch already has openings for plant managers in Wisconsin on their job site.

I'm sure that's meant to balance the budget, too. This guy is like a bad caraciture of a politician.
 
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bronconick said:
Don't forget the part where he snuck onto the budget bill an option for him to sell Wisconsin utilities for pennies on the dollar in no-bid situations, and that Koch already has openings for plant managers in Wisconsin on their job site.

I'm sure that's meant to balance the budget, too. This guy is like a bad caraciture of a politician.
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Yep, and despite what WWM says, he will be re-elected too because half that state refuses to see he is a complete and total fraud.
 
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unofan said:
To the best of my knowledge, none of them threatened to actually bust the union, however. They simply demanded concessions from the unions or signaled their intent to do so at the next round of negotiations.
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Yup. Don't believe I said they did. I still take issue with the idea that this is union busting fwiw. 24 states already have similar laws to this one limiting collective bargaining. Have unions been "busted" in all of those states?


Anyways, I wasn't trying to make the case that the Democrat politicians mentioned were union-busters. I was responding to Scooby saying this about what the GOP believes:
2. Public Workers are taking a broomstick to your backside.
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It's hardly just the GOP saying that.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Yup. Don't believe I said they did. I still take issue with the idea that this is union busting fwiw. 24 states already have similar laws to this one limiting collective bargaining. Have unions been "busted" in all of those states?
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Frankly, yes, because again, what is the point of a union if not for collective bargaining rights? But my guess is there is either a long standing tradition that prevented such collective bargaining or when the unions were busted, it wasn't done in less than a week. And the public employees probably got something in return.
 
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In Indiana (I know, just one state) it was done via executive order, and on Daniels' first day in office. And he's a sainted "moderate" too.
 
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WeWantMore said:
I'm not exactly sure what this is supposed to prove.
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Given the vilification of unions in this country I find it amazing that teachers at a college without a union would vote to form one. I forgot (and Bob reminded) though that all professors are leftist loons. So, you're correct, it's meaningless.
 
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Well, I think there are a few situations where people would vote to not join a union. One probably involves a situation where a worker doesn't particularly like the thought of losing a nice chunk of change each month in union dues when that money could be going towards rent, food, vacation, etc.

Another probably involves a scenario where one be hesitant to join a union out of the belief that their money would be going to causes (on the whole, liberal ones) that they don't particularly believe in.

Now, I don't think college professors particularly fall into either of those categories, do they?

As for the leftist loons comment, I don't know if I would say loons, but this study is interesting.
By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.
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Again, this should hardly come as a shock to anyone. Following on from that then, it should hardly surprise someone when a largely liberal group decides to join a largely liberal organization. Or is this some new discovery you've just stumbled upon?
 
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It's nice that we can explain away things on the left so easily but there is so much nuance on the other side.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's nice that we can explain away things on the left so easily but there is so much nuance on the other side.
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Because if there's one thing regressives love, it's nuance.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's nice that we can explain away things on the left so easily but there is so much nuance on the other side.
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How dare you insinuate that the good americans on the right are in anyway like those communists on the left.
 
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Perhaps these UW-L teachers realized how well the union teachers had it. Even after giving up the concessions Walker asked for, they still were heads and shoulders above the non-union rabble.

I'm not 'envious' of those with public union pensions. I'm just tired of funding them better than I can fund my own.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We're still waiting for all the jobs the Bush Tax Cuts were supposed to create. .
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I'm fairly certain that the unemployment rate declined every year right up until the crash. Bottomed out around 4.5%. Are you blaming the high (9%) unemployment on the tax cuts?


the Dem's have convinced the electorate of two things.

1. Profits are stealing.
2. Public Workers don't make enough.
 
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Wol4ine said:
the Dem's have convinced the electorate of two things.
1. Profits are stealing.
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...and that class action suits are great at punishing evil corporations and righting wrongs (even though the members of the class get piddly amounts while the lawyers walk away with millions - all while the corporations laugh at the minimal impact of these things).
2. Public Workers don't make enough.
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For teachers, perhaps. For all other public sector employees, I don't think they've succeeded. My friends who work in the private sector tend to think gov't employees are all lazy overpaid slugs that can't be fired. What doesn't help is when the press publishes nonsensical private-public comparisons of salary and simply slaps an average number on the whole thing without comparing the same jobs in the same areas (which is what is needed for a legitimate comparison in compensation to be made).
 
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