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The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

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Disagree. Stupid fatasses who don't get off the couch are killing America.

Processed food is hardly the culprit. It's one of those boogeymen that are pointed at all the time. Just like when someone sees the word "chemical" and freaks out. It's the same reason we don't call an MRI machine what it is. I'll give you a hint, it has the word "nuclear" in it. *GASP*
You need to start reading labels, Morton Table salt has sugar in it. Processed food is a definite issue as is exercise. Funny the folks I know that don't eat that crap aren't fat and yet they are hardly marathoners.
 
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I don't have a problem with her "encouraging" healthy diets. I just don't want her to spend my money doing it. When she says she wants to spend $400 Million to eradicate 'food deserts', that goes beyond just encouragement. The reason inner cities don't have super markets is that they get robbed Michelle!!!

Disagree. Stupid fatasses who don't get off the couch are killing America.

Processed food is hardly the culprit. It's one of those boogeymen that are pointed at all the time. Just like when someone sees the word "chemical" and freaks out. It's the same reason we don't call an MRI machine what it is. I'll give you a hint, it has the word "nuclear" in it. *GASP*

I think there is something to the food desert thing. They have done some really fascinating studies regarding low income and obesity/malnutrition. In California it would take 70% of a poverty line salary to eat a healthy diet. The most affordable foods are no longer the healthy ones. They are the highly processed foods with lots of corn syrup and salt and not a lot of nutrients. Not only that but eating that type of food resets the brain to crave more of the same and after eating it the message from the brain is to sleep. The density of calories to amt of food is huge. Even people who are very active can get pretty fat eating that stuff.

One of the Lutheran colleges had a nutrition class assignment for a semester that had the students try and plan how to eat on a low income budget and then live thier plan. They were interviewed and most of them couldn't make it work by the end of the month. There were kids going to school and given time to plan to eat healthy.

If that 400M starts people on the way to breaking the cycle of obesity, heart disease and diabetes then it might be well worth the $. Guess who doesn't want us to eat healthy. Lottsa companies making lottsa trash food that sell it to the public schools and to the masses.

Many people unable to afford much of the healthier choices and if you go to many cities there are no large grocery stores. Imagine buying all your food at convienience store at those prices. If you don't have a car you also have a harder time buying in bulk which would save you some $.

There is an amazing level of ignorance about what is healthy. This ignorance is not just the inner city folks. I see it in my suburban practice all the time. People that think Vitamin water and gatorade should replace milk, folks that think fried fish is healthy because it is fish...

Add that many of the schools are feeding kids the free lunches that are a teaching lesson for an early heart attack. Can't speak for what others have in their area but a typical lunch week here is fried meat, french fries, corn/ or/ pasta, sauce, bread and butter/or/ hot dog, fries, corn/ or tacos, corn, french fries/ or pizza/ or/ french toast or pancakes, sausage. Milk- chocolate, strawberry or regular. This would be a offering for lunches in one week. Once in awhile they have salad with iceburg lettuce and maybe a tomato, rarely cooked carrots. No green veggies at all, no grilled meats, fish is always fried and breaded, 2 starches, fried meat, lots of breads. Then no PE class, no recess because we need the academic time. Yep, those stupid fat people.
 
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food nutrition is simple. Calorie in, calorie out. You can eat as much as you want, if you exercise it all off. Michelle Obama doesn't need to spend 400 million to initiate this in America.
 
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

food nutrition is simple. Calorie in, calorie out. You can eat as much as you want, if you exercise it all off. Michelle Obama doesn't need to spend 400 million to initiate this in America.
Very simple. if you are well off. If you work 12 hours/day to pay for things then need to commute, get all the shopping, laundry, chores done when exactly do you get to exercise?

I know this isn't everyone but it is a significant portion of those who can't make ends meet.
 
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Very simple. if you are well off. If you work 12 hours/day to pay for things then need to commute, get all the shopping, laundry, chores done when exactly do you get to exercise?
Still simple. Live closer to your job and shorten your commute. When you go to a store (or to work) park further away and do some brisk walking. Every morning when I leave work, I see people circling the parking lot for several minutes trying to park closer to the hospital - wasting several minutes trying to shorten their walk by about 50 feet. :rolleyes:
 
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Add that many of the schools are feeding kids the free lunches that are a teaching lesson for an early heart attack. Can't speak for what others have in their area but a typical lunch week here is fried meat, french fries, corn/ or/ pasta, sauce, bread and butter/or/ hot dog, fries, corn/ or tacos, corn, french fries/ or pizza/ or/ french toast or pancakes, sausage. Milk- chocolate, strawberry or regular. This would be a offering for lunches in one week. Once in awhile they have salad with iceburg lettuce and maybe a tomato, rarely cooked carrots. No green veggies at all, no grilled meats, fish is always fried and breaded, 2 starches, fried meat, lots of breads. Then no PE class, no recess because we need the academic time. Yep, those stupid fat people.

Other than the lettuce(iceberg, what a nutririon bonanza) its all processed food. Heck the kids couldn't prononce half the ingredients on the labels
 
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You need to start reading labels, Morton Table salt has sugar in it. Processed food is a definite issue as is exercise. Funny the folks I know that don't eat that crap aren't fat and yet they are hardly marathoners.

And? I know plenty of people who aren't fat that eat all sorts of processed food. You are absolutely confusing the cause and effect. People who specifically avoid eating non-processed food are going to be healthier in general because they are going to be more conscious. I used to eat a ton of processed food back in high school and college. Didn't start catching up to me until I added booze into the mix.

Not eating processed food doesn't guarantee you are going to be skinny. It's a boogeyman made up by people who don't understand chemistry. Just because you can't pronounce it doesn't mean it's bad. Cripes, if people started listing out exactly what "chemicals" *BOO* are instead of the user friendly names we'd never eat again.

Shredded cheese is processed food. All milk purchased in a grocery store is processed. Nearly all juices, including vegetable juice is processed. Granola? Processed.

The only things that aren't processed are fresh fruits and vegetables and meat you go out, shoot, and eat raw. It's not processed food that's the problem. It's people eating UNHEALTHY processed food that don't get so much as two minutes of exercise a day that's the problem.
 
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Shredded cheese is processed food. All milk purchased in a grocery store is processed. Nearly all juices, including vegetable juice is processed. Granola? Processed.

yeah, homogonizing milk is technically processing but when people are complaning about processed foods they mostly mean things like prepared foods and snacks - these are foods that are loaded with salt, sugar, and fats. Most of the calories are from heavily processed soy or corn and they are calorie dense. Granola is also calorie dense and should be eaten in limited quantities, its better than a twinkie but not something you should base your diet on.
 
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And? I know plenty of people who aren't fat that eat all sorts of processed food. You are absolutely confusing the cause and effect. People who specifically avoid eating non-processed food are going to be healthier in general because they are going to be more conscious. I used to eat a ton of processed food back in high school and college. Didn't start catching up to me until I added booze into the mix.

Not eating processed food doesn't guarantee you are going to be skinny. It's a boogeyman made up by people who don't understand chemistry. Just because you can't pronounce it doesn't mean it's bad. Cripes, if people started listing out exactly what "chemicals" *BOO* are instead of the user friendly names we'd never eat again.

Shredded cheese is processed food. All milk purchased in a grocery store is processed. Nearly all juices, including vegetable juice is processed. Granola? Processed.

The only things that aren't processed are fresh fruits and vegetables and meat you go out, shoot, and eat raw. It's not processed food that's the problem. It's people eating UNHEALTHY processed food that don't get so much as two minutes of exercise a day that's the problem.
Eating processed food as a portion of your diet is different than eating a diet that consists only of the processed food. BassAle has it right. Those foods are very calorie dense. If you eat what would seem to be a regular portion of some of those foods you are eating close to the total calories/ fat/salt a kid might need for a day. (look at what a portion is. Sometimes you will be shocked. One cookie, half of the drink bottle, 10 potatoe chips) Unfortunately most people then eat 2 more of those servings a day and some snacks. The amount of exercise you need to do to get rid of the extra calories is ridiculous. Not to mention there is no nutrition in it.
 
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don't look now, but we have "begun the conversation". Michelle wins.
I do think since taxpayers are feeding the kids lunch, and often breakfast, for 9 months out of the year, that we should go ahead and sink a little more into making sure it's actual food they're getting. But then I'm the one with kids in school, your objections are noted.
 
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I know we're officially out of serious problems when we're worrying about people getting too many calories.

Here's a simple and cheap solution to the school lunch problem: serve sandwiches. Offer a banana or an apple for fruit and carrots w/ ranch dip (low fat if you're calorie conscious) for a vegetable. Honestly, a lot of adults eat stuff like this when they pack their own lunches and go to work, and I doubt you'll approach your daily limit for anything with a meal of this size.
 
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I know we're officially out of serious problems when we're worrying about people getting too many calories.

Here's a simple and cheap solution to the school lunch problem: serve sandwiches. Offer a banana or an apple for fruit and carrots w/ ranch dip (low fat if you're calorie conscious) for a vegetable. Honestly, a lot of adults eat stuff like this when they pack their own lunches and go to work, and I doubt you'll approach your daily limit for anything with a meal of this size.
I agree. Most people do not eat a big lunch. I believe the reason the meals are not sandwiches is free school lunch is supposed to provide the main meal of the day. Some kids that is the only meal they get of consequence. I think they get food that is surplus or at cut rates that is mostly junk. Here we get stuff like smiley fries and at one point some sort of character hamburger.
 
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

Disagree. Stupid fatasses who don't get off the couch are killing America.

Eat in moderation, get some exercise, if you eat something "Bad" make sure you work it off.

For exercise, join a gym, run around your neighborhood, get some P90X going, walk around a lake, run up and down the stairs, or whatever you want, just do some activity 30 minutes a day.

Not everyone is going to be a model, or has the need to compensate by becoming a freaky muscle god, just know what you're eating, eat less fast food, eat more salads, do some sort of activity, and eat in moderation.
 
Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

I know we're officially out of serious problems when we're worrying about people getting too many calories.

Here's a simple and cheap solution to the school lunch problem: serve sandwiches. Offer a banana or an apple for fruit and carrots w/ ranch dip (low fat if you're calorie conscious) for a vegetable. Honestly, a lot of adults eat stuff like this when they pack their own lunches and go to work, and I doubt you'll approach your daily limit for anything with a meal of this size.

Why do that when schools can sign contracts with McDonalds and Coke to provide for the kids? (like some do now)

The real boogeyman in all of this is the idea that being unhealthy is the same as being fat. You can be in your BMI and look great and still be ridiculously unhealthy. You eat a lot of preservatives and such crap and no matter whether you weigh 120lbs or 220lbs you are not healthy. Otherwise only fat people would have heart attacks or develop Type II diabetes.

Portions are the key, I took a health class at the U where we discussed the laws for "Heart Healthy", "Promotes Weight Loss" and "Low Cal" and it is such a joke. Basically if you just tweak the portion size you can lower the calories to a point that makes it "Low Cal". It can literally be the same food, in a a different portion and you are able to basically represent it as being healthier for you. Too many people ignore the portion size. Sure 160 calories for a serving of Doritos seems worth it, but usually that is for like 13 chips...how man of us can eat 13 chips?
 
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Sure 160 calories for a serving of Doritos seems worth it, but usually that is for like 13 chips...how many of us can eat 13 chips?

If the chips are big enough...
 
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Shredded cheese is processed food..

Read the ingredients in a package of shredded cheddar cheese, its a paragraph long. Its not necessarily the process its whats added in the process. If you don't think whats added is an issue, have at the hamburger helper, you'll look good eating it.

I bought some frozen Green Giant snow peas, didn't really look at the pkg until I got home,contents, peas, sugar. Why do I need sugar on peas that are already sweet?
 
Read the ingredients in a package of shredded cheddar cheese, its a paragraph long. Its not necessarily the process its whats added in the process. If you don't think whats added is an issue, have at the hamburger helper, you'll look good eating it.

I bought some frozen Green Giant snow peas, didn't really look at the pkg until I got home,contents, peas, sugar. Why do I need sugar on peas that are already sweet?

Because people need more sweet, more salt
 
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Why do I need sugar on peas that are already sweet?

I lost interest in your post because it didn't have enough high-fructose corn syrup on it.

I am the market. Hear me belch.
 
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I lost interest in your post because it didn't have enough high-fructose corn syrup on it.

I am the market. Hear me belch.

ADM doesn't like you, they want it called corn sugar, much healthier for you than that crappy High Fructose Corn Syrup
 
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ADM doesn't like you, they want it called corn sugar, much healthier for you than that crappy High Fructose Corn Syrup

ADM doesn't like me because I haven't watched The McLaughlin Group since Jack Germond left.

"Supermarket to the world" my ass.

At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30."
 
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