The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

[ScoobyDoo]

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Glad to fill in the blanks for what you miss. Just because they don't use the word "jibe" doesn't mean it wasn't a jibe, as if that wasn't obvious.

"At one point Randolph suggested that his wife "incorporate her uterus" to stop Republicans from pushing measures that would restrict abortions. Republicans, after all, wouldn't want to further regulate a Florida business."

I'd rather not have to define jibe for you, but I will if you need me to.

So, it's not entirely subjective? Bob, you make me laugh.

I thought it was an astute point and if you want me to I can point out numerous other big government ideas by the party of small government. I don't think you want me to though.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

Well thanks I guess and I do get the civility of discussion concept. The main things that should be off limits in critical discussions like those held by congress are personal shots at opponents and profanity with no point. Just as people allow for freedom for business to do much of what it needs to in order to be successful...the same should hold for government legislation and IMO, that carries over to the nature of dialog.

I'm not saying at all that people don't have the freedom to talk about uteruses or whatever. Of course they do. I just would feel like it's not real respectful to my wife if I talked about incorporating her uterus to make a political point in a public setting. The point could have been made just fine without referring to his wife's biology. There is a big difference between what one is free to do and what one can do that is in good taste. To me what the guy did wasn't in good taste and wasn't necessary. I'm saying no more, and no less.

Obviously the yappers around here read a lot more into what I said than I ever meant, but it's just a given around here.

 

[Priceless]

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Glad to fill in the blanks for what you miss. Just because they don't use the word "jibe" doesn't mean it wasn't a jibe, as if that wasn't obvious.

"At one point Randolph suggested that his wife "incorporate her uterus" to stop Republicans from pushing measures that would restrict abortions. Republicans, after all, wouldn't want to further regulate a Florida business."

I'd rather not have to define jibe for you, but I will if you need me to.

Just because you think something is a "jibe" doesn't mean I do. He was making a point, and a pretty good one. Regressives want the government just small enough to fit in bedrooms. They tend to try to define things such as marriage, but think business shouldn't be burdened by bothersome regulations that prevent them from polluting or paying their employees more than 10 cents an hour. But I guess that point is just too sophisticated for someone like you to understand.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Just because you think something is a "jibe" doesn't mean I do. He was making a point, and a pretty good one. Regressives want the government just small enough to fit in bedrooms. They tend to try to define things such as marriage, but think business shouldn't be burdened by bothersome regulations that prevent them from polluting or paying their employees more than 10 cents an hour. But I guess that point is just too sophisticated for someone like you to understand.

No, I've never said anything about his political issue, just his choice of words in pursuing it. Two different things. I know you're just purposely ignoring that. But, for rabid partisans like you, I can't expect you to get past the fact that it happens to be a Dem that used poor wording in my opinion.

 

[Priceless]

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No, I've never said anything about his political issue, just his choice of words in pursuing it. Two different things. I know you're just purposely ignoring that. But, for rabid partisans like you, I can't expect you to get past the fact that it happens to be a Dem that used poor wording in my opinion.

I forgot, you're another one of those "independents" who just happens to dislike liberals and embraces most anything conservative.

Kinda like Fox "News"

 

[Bob Gray]

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I forgot, you're another one of those "independents" who just happens to dislike liberals and embraces most anything conservative.

Kinda like Fox "News"

Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[jerphisch]

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I'm not saying at all that people don't have the freedom to talk about uteruses or whatever. Of course they do. I just would feel like it's not real respectful to my wife if I talked about incorporating her uterus to make a political point in a public setting. The point could have been made just fine without referring to his wife's biology. There is a big difference between what one is free to do and what one can do that is in good taste. To me what the guy did wasn't in good taste and wasn't necessary. I'm saying no more, and no less.

I'm guessing that since his wife was the one that came up with the analogy she didn't much mind.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I'm guessing that since his wife was the one that came up with the analogy she didn't much mind.

Maybe she didn't. I still find it a poor thing to do.

 

[leswp1]

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Although this whole thing is stupid, it did lead to this, which makes it all worthwhile.

This was truly hysterical to read- my favorite referring to people as ex-uterati.

No, I've never said anything about his political issue, just his choice of words in pursuing it. Two different things. I know you're just purposely ignoring that. But, for rabid partisans like you, I can't expect you to get past the fact that it happens to be a Dem that used poor wording in my opinion.

I am curious (truly, not sarcastic) about your comment regarding his choice of words. What would you have had him say? Should he have used an euphemism for the uterus? Was he not supposed to refer to it or would it have been OK if he had not referenced his wife? The absolute absurdity of the suggestion was a rather clever way to make a point some of the unrealistic things that are being proposed. I can't think of a comparable way to make the point he made. Maybe that makes me unclever.

I have to say, as a woman, I did not find this offensive esp in light of some of the things that people have tried to debate/legislate regarding women's bodies. It wasn't as if he was vulgarly referring to sexual acts in detail.

 

[Priceless]

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This is supposedly an excerpt from an interview that will run in June's Rolling Stone. This excerpt was published today but may be an April Fool's prank. Typos are not mine (for a change).

Congressman John Boehner revealed his thoughts on the US unprecedented economic crisis in an interview with Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone. Taibbi was granted access to Boehner while preparing to cover the 2 year anniversarry of the angry town halls. Boehner stuck to Republican party talking points until Taibbi during a coffee break asked Boehner about today's young people. Boehner, apparently unaware he was still on record unleashed a speech straight out of Atlas Shrugged. What follow are the excerpts distributed by Rolling Stone

Boehner: "Can't pay your student loan? Face it your parents were lazy and you couldn't afford college. The world needs ditch diggers and you were born into a family of them. Can't pay your mortgage? Your house was too expensive and you couldn't afford it. Your taxes going up too much? That's what you get for electing a democrat president. Never had a job after you got a degree? You learned nothing in school and you're lazy. I didn't get to be a congressman by watching jersey shore or playing xbox. You think there's no jobs for you? There used to be. There was when I was your age. You don't have free time because you have to work all days of the week for 16 hours a day and you don't get paid hourly? Thank the unions. They made decent jobs so out of price range of the average American company that they can't hire anymore people and the works' gotta get done. These unions... I tell you they won't be happy till no one in America has a job. And health care? Don't get me started on health care- doctors study their entire lives and they barely make enough to live and yet Obama, who had his entire life handed to him on a silver plate wants to cut their pay. You know what that's gonna do? Increase costs- the average person's going to have to work even harder just to see a doctor. "

Taibbi: "With mounting unemployment what do you think is the possibility that we'll see an Egyptian style uprising of the youth? Should we be worried?"
Boehner: "It's not going to happen in the US. The kids here are too fat, too lazy, to addicted to TV, fast food, cheap credit, and facebook. I have news for you- there are plenty of jobs out there- the unemployed don't want them. Today's college student feels entitled to make at least $24 right after college. When they find out they can collect unemployment they would rather do that. You know the average college educated unemployed person is collecting $60k a year? The CATO institute did a study- and I mean, you and me we're hard workers we could just sit around and live, but these kids today- that's all they've been doing their entire lives. I'm not worried for this country- there are a few of them who actually want to work, take Mark Zucker(sic). You don't build a site like facebook out of thin air- it takes talent and hard work. I went to a community college and all I saw were people sitting in front of computers typing away, their eyes were fixed. Probably just facebooking away."

Taibbi has said he'll publish Boehner's full interview in the June edition of Rolling Stone which will feature actor Jake Gyllenhaal.

 

[Bob Gray]

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There's some stupid stuff in there obviously, but also some blunt truths, too blunt to come from the mouth of a politician, especially one as high up as Boehnner. So my vote is that it's an April Fools joke. Plus, it just doesn't sound like him.

 

[geezer]

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I only wish we could find a real politician willing to tell Americans they've gotten fat and lazy. I'd volunteer for his presidential campaign.

 

[leswp1]

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I only wish we could find a real politician willing to tell Americans they've gotten fat and lazy. I'd volunteer for his presidential campaign.

Well that wouldn't work. The Prez wife did that and they are howling that she should mind her business and not tell people what to do. Anyone see the study (multiple actually) that the obese kids' parents underestimate how much they weigh/how obese they are by a sig amt?

 

[Bob Gray]

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Well that wouldn't work. The Prez wife did that and they are howling that she should mind her business and not tell people what to do. Anyone see the study (multiple actually) that the obese kids' parents underestimate how much they weigh/how obese they are by a sig amt?

The Prez's wife is telling people they are lazy?

 

[geezer]

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Well that wouldn't work. The Prez wife did that and they are howling that she should mind her business and not tell people what to do. Anyone see the study (multiple actually) that the obese kids' parents underestimate how much they weigh/how obese they are by a sig amt?

In all seriousness, I fully support Michelle's war on childhood obesity. I think it's a more serious and urgent problem than people care to think about. Nothing wrong with sending the kids out to haul firewood for awhile before supper.

 

[Bob Gray]

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In all seriousness, I fully support Michelle's war on childhood obesity. I think it's a more serious and urgent problem than people care to think about. Nothing wrong with sending the kids out to haul firewood for awhile before supper.

Being serious, I agree. Seems like less and less kids have to do chores or in older years get a part time or summer job or anything. And of course all the junk that's in food anymore is really bad news.

 

[Priceless]

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Remember, school teachers who earn $50,000 a year are rich, but this guy is "struggling" to get by on $174,000.

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Latrell Sprewell feels for him.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Hey, he's doing all he can. If only those bastages making 50K or less would pay some taxes he could get by, but he not only has to try and get by on only 174, he also has to pay all those damm taxes for the poor.

 

[Kepler]

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Being serious, I agree. Seems like less and less kids have to do chores or in older years get a part time or summer job or anything. And of course all the junk that's in food anymore is really bad news.

It seems that way and I want to agree with you, though at the same time "these lazy kids today" has been a staple since ancient Rome. I'm sure there are a ton of poor kids hustling and working hard to make (or steal) a buck right now. The Mexican kids who are always riding their bikes piled high with lawn tools on the god**** shoulder of my god**** state highway -- is that legal? -- sure seems to be humping it. Though they may still be fat because of Whoppers.

 

[Bob Gray]

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It seems that way and I want to agree with you, though at the same time "these lazy kids today" has been a staple since ancient Rome. I'm sure there are a ton of poor kids hustling and working hard to make (or steal) a buck right now. The Mexican kids who are always riding their bikes piled high with lawn tools on the god**** shoulder of my god**** state highway -- is that legal? -- sure seems to be humping it. Though they may still be fat because of Whoppers.

Sure, there's kids out there that work hard and find things to do. I just think that there's a lot less of them as a percentage than there used to be. When I was a kid, pretty much everyone had summer jobs and had to do stuff at home and all. I don't see that now. I think it's another one of those things where you think people are pretty much the same from generation to generation to generation, and I tend to think that sometimes true, sometimes not.