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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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Opinions aren't news. That's the problem. Right now complete nutjob opinions that have no basis in reality are being passed off as news and it's causing us major problems all over the country.
Yes but who decides what news is legit. Chris Mathews is legit but Glenn Beck isn't??? They're both commentators and both are full of it. One John Kerry Loves, the other not so much. Why should the media decide, why shouldn't listeners or viewers decide
 
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Yes but who decides what news is legit. Chris Mathews is legit but Glenn Beck isn't??? They're both commentators and both are full of it. One John Kerry Loves, the other not so much. Why should the media decide, why shouldn't listeners or viewers decide

How do they know what is legitimate news? Millions of people listen to Rush everyday...does that make him a legitimate news source?
 
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How do they know what is legitimate news? Millions of people listen to Rush everyday...does that make him a legitimate news source?
Doesn't matter, why does John Kerry get to decide what is and what isn't. Rush is obviously opinions and they are his opinions
 
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There's very little substantive news reporting anymore, regardless of partisan stripe. You watch the news, and there's the slightest veneer of actual news, with the rest fluff and opinion. Of course it begs the question of how much appetite and willingness to pay the cost for actual substantive new reporting the public as a whole has. A lot of the public is happy with their commentator of choice telling them what they want to hear.
 
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Doesn't matter, why does John Kerry get to decide what is and what isn't. Rush is obviously opinions and they are his opinions

Is John Kerry deciding? I don't think he was. I think he was pointing out the problem is all. Rush isn't news. Chris Matthews isn't news. Rachel Maddow isn't news. Lawrence O'Donnel isn't news.

I think the problem isn't what's on the TV. I think the problem is education. This is just another example of how we've failed as a society to education our kids so they know what's news and what isn't news. At least my kids are being taught this vital skill.
 
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Is John Kerry deciding? .
Yes, he wants the media to do what he says, pick and choose. Should Ron Pauls opinions on the debt crisis be on the news? or should only Harry Reids opinions be on the news.? We all know who John Kerry wants on there. Is one more legit than the other?
 
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Opinions aren't news. That's the problem. Right now complete nutjob opinions that have no basis in reality are being passed off as news and it's causing us major problems all over the country.
Even if every media outlet was delivering the goods in terms of substantive news, it wouldn't matter much. People's attention spans are so short these days that any news program would simply be background noise while they **** around on their smartphones and ipads (most likely while attempting to drive). :p
 
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How else can you do it though? We cant do it on the national level because the people we elect to lead us barely have the brain capacity to tie their own shoes. You cant do it on the state level because budgets are tight and, well not to get too political, but state government conservatives (and Dems for a different reason) want it brought down even farther figuring local cities and towns should have the say over how their kids learn. Both sides want as many chances to gain influence, and the more school boards there are, the more chances to gain a foothold.

Plus, lets say you cut the districts in half...that increases the cost of busing (sometimes greatly as districts can be large and now you would be doubling their size) and it could require more schools be built as some districts are more modern than others and population differences could lead to overcrowding.

Then comes the question of, who is in charge? Is the curriculum set up by the state? Instead of each district having a governing body to vote on district matters is a statewide body going to do so? That just isnt feasible and will fail just like a federal body would.

Your metaphor falls short. No business would have 501 branches (except maybe banks) but they would also have a strong centralized leadership. There is a corporate board of directors that make the decisions and each manager at each plant puts it forth. That model cant work in schools because each city (or town or parrish or whatever) is different and each state is different. Who is going to set the guidelines and make sure they are fair?

My thought is don't reduce the number of schools unless that is proven to be a good decision, just reduce the amount of superintendents, assistant superintendents, secretary to the superintendent and superintendent buildings. Keep the same state/federal balance (although I would submit it should be changed where appropriate)...I would start by going form 500 to 450 and work my way down...trying to reduce by hundreds at a time would be a disaster.

You and I are of the same mind in that what it takes is strong leadership...500 superintendents implies that the state needs that many highly paid professionsals to manage the school system...that likely breeds a lack of leadership...A system of regional superintendents managing larger numbers of schools would put more leadership on the heads of each school etc. That isnt' all bad.
 
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If it can be done in a way that does not incite mass chaos I am all for it. It would be a very very slow process.
 
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Yes, he wants the media to do what he says, pick and choose. Should Ron Pauls opinions on the debt crisis be on the news? or should only Harry Reids opinions be on the news.? We all know who John Kerry wants on there. Is one more legit than the other?
Teach the controversy baby.
 
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My thought is don't reduce the number of schools unless that is proven to be a good decision, just reduce the amount of superintendents, assistant superintendents, secretary to the superintendent and superintendent buildings. Keep the same state/federal balance (although I would submit it should be changed where appropriate)...I would start by going form 500 to 450 and work my way down...trying to reduce by hundreds at a time would be a disaster.

You and I are of the same mind in that what it takes is strong leadership...500 superintendents implies that the state needs that many highly paid professionsals to manage the school system...that likely breeds a lack of leadership...A system of regional superintendents managing larger numbers of schools would put more leadership on the heads of each school etc. That isnt' all bad.

I guess the point here is that we shouldn't just cut education as likely that won't lead to restructuring, but just less education. It needs to be restructured first (where there's probably an opportunity).

There's very little substantive news reporting anymore, regardless of partisan stripe. You watch the news, and there's the slightest veneer of actual news, with the rest fluff and opinion. Of course it begs the question of how much appetite and willingness to pay the cost for actual substantive new reporting the public as a whole has. A lot of the public is happy with their commentator of choice telling them what they want to hear.

IMO there is a spectrum from more substantive news reporting to more opinion. For example, I still have yet to see anyone on the board argue that Fox is more substantive than CNN.

I would also believe that an opinion that is politically neutral is often a more accurate picture of reality as its not tainted by a political lense. Lastly, I'd say that US conservative media is some of the most right wing major media in the world (anybody know of more conservative examples?) There is plenty left of major US media outlets...many European and other international media is left of the US.
 
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Is John Kerry deciding? I don't think he was. I think he was pointing out the problem is all. Rush isn't news. Chris Matthews isn't news. Rachel Maddow isn't news. Lawrence O'Donnel isn't news.

I think the problem isn't what's on the TV. I think the problem is education. This is just another example of how we've failed as a society to education our kids so they know what's news and what isn't news. At least my kids are being taught this vital skill.

I don't consider myself a spelling Nazi, but don't you mean edumacate?
 
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LOL, yes, good catch. My bad.

Bond rating downgraded from AAA rating to AA+. Wonderful news.

Earlier comments today

Official reasons given, one official says, will be the political confusion surrounding the process of raising the debt ceiling, and lack of confidence that the political system will be able to agree to more deficit reduction. A source says Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal will be part of the reason cited. The official was unsure if the bond rating would be AA+ or AA.

Excellent. Now all those savings from cutting spending can be used to pay the higher interest on future debt. Dumbasses.
 
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It's interesting to note the other two rating agencies haven't downgraded the US yet. As long as that remains the case, I think the impact of this won't be fully felt.

With any luck, this will add pressure on Congress to come up with a better approach over the next few months to regain the AAA rating.

It's just going to embolden the Repubs to screw things up even more. The more screwed up things get the more they think they can take the whole shooting match in 2012. Then when that happens say goodbye to the safety net and the middle class.
 
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I guess the analysis was off by a couple of trillion. If the US deserves a downgrade, so be it. But after the subprime ratings mess, it would be nice to see companies like S&P accountable like everyone else is.
 
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It's just going to embolden the Repubs to screw things up even more. The more screwed up things get the more they think they can take the whole shooting match in 2012. Then when that happens say goodbye to the safety net and the middle class.

What middle class? What has traditionally be thought of as the middle class has evolved into nothing more than a consumer class. Most people who want to believe that they are middle class are so buried under debt (Mortgage, car loan, student loans, credit cards, all types of consumer debt) that they are basically totally screwed if they lose their job or get sick. Rampant lifestyle inflation coupled with consumerism has made it so that many of those who make in excess of $250k per year have nearly nothing to show for it.

The middle class has effectively killed itself on the alter of stuff and while the standard of living has increased, the long term prospects of this consumer class is little better than the working classes of the past just in service and office jobs as opposed to physically demanding jobs.
 
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