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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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I understand Arizona has a strong gun culture (though believe me, it cannot be as strong as Virginia's -- this place makes Somalia look rational). But as you are also aware guns are not neutral -- they've been used as a wedge issue for decades by both sides of the spectrum and everybody understands their political symbolism.
 
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Kepler said:
I understand Arizona has a strong gun culture (though believe me, it cannot be as strong as Virginia's -- this place makes Somalia look rational). But as you are also aware guns are not neutral -- they've been used as a wedge issue for decades by both sides of the spectrum and everybody understands their political symbolism.
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Sure guns can be a hot button issue, but the way you push an issue isn't well down the page of your monthly newsletter, beaten to the top of the newsletter by small time local party news. It just doesn't fit. If they had rented billboards and sent out press releases, etc., then I'd say you might be onto something. We'd never know about this if some media person didn't read the minutia of the Pima County Republican Party's newsletter.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Sure guns can be a hot button issue, but the way you push an issue isn't well down the page of your monthly newsletter, beaten to the top of the newsletter by small time local party news.
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That's fair.
 
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Eric Cantor has a weird view of the First Amendment. He publicly announces an "advisory council" meeting only on a tea party website. The announcement specifies that "this is what he calls a Town Hall." He then excludes the press from the event (because what interest would a free press have in a public meeting between a Congressman and his constituents?) as well as anybody who disagrees with him. He uses the local and Capitol PD to screen people and even has the Holiday Inn staff kick out the opposite group - even though they had booked a ballroom upstairs from Cantor's event. The excuse given by the Holiday Inn was that they didn't want "competing events" at the hotel (maybe they should have kicked out the Congressman?).

So if you live in Eric Cantor's district, you can edit out the parts of the First Amendment that have to do with Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press and your Rights to Peaceably Assemble and to Redress the Government for Grievances. That leaves the First Amendment looking mighty thin.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Sure guns can be a hot button issue, but the way you push an issue isn't well down the page of your monthly newsletter, beaten to the top of the newsletter by small time local party news. It just doesn't fit. If they had rented billboards and sent out press releases, etc., then I'd say you might be onto something. We'd never know about this if some media person didn't read the minutia of the Pima County Republican Party's newsletter.
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Why aren't they raffling off an American gun?
 
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Priceless said:
Eric Cantor has a weird view of the First Amendment. He publicly announces an "advisory council" meeting only on a tea party website. The announcement specifies that "this is what he calls a Town Hall." He then excludes the press from the event (because what interest would a free press have in a public meeting between a Congressman and his constituents?) as well as anybody who disagrees with him. He uses the local and Capitol PD to screen people and even has the Holiday Inn staff kick out the opposite group - even though they had booked a ballroom upstairs from Cantor's event. The excuse given by the Holiday Inn was that they didn't want "competing events" at the hotel (maybe they should have kicked out the Congressman?).

So if you live in Eric Cantor's district, you can edit out the parts of the First Amendment that have to do with Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press and your Rights to Peaceably Assemble and to Redress the Government for Grievances. That leaves the First Amendment looking mighty thin.
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It is ironic that those that bathe themselves in the Constitution have the hardest time following it and the greatest passion to change it.
 
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It is ironic that those that bathe themselves in the Constitution have the hardest time following it and the greatest passion to change it.
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People who make a career in government by saying "government is bad" isn't ironic enough for you? ;)
 
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It is ironic that those that bathe themselves in the Constitution have the hardest time following it and the greatest passion to change it.
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They might be repeating what Thomas Jefferson were saying. or maybe they have their own version of limit(ing)ed government.

http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/TJ.html
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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Term limits for congress anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy
To the Athenians it seems what had to be guarded against was not incompetence but any tendency to use office as a way of accumulating ongoing power.

The powers of officials were precisely defined and their capacity for initiative limited. They administered rather than governed.

No office appointed by lot could be held twice by the same individual. The only exception was the boule or council of 500.
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Tundra said:
They might be repeating what Thomas Jefferson were saying. or maybe they have their own version of limit(ing)ed government.

http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/TJ.html
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What does that have to with the House Majority Leader not allowing his constituents or the media into his public meeting or using the police department as his personal screeners?
 
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Priceless said:
What does that have to with the House Majority Leader not allowing his constituents or the media into his public meeting or using the police department as his personal screeners?
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Um nothing to do with that quote?

I quoted Scooby (Kepler Irony).
Just pointing out most of the founders of the constitution and who served in government were against strong federal government.

http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/TJ.html
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
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Just pointing out most of the founders of the constitution and who served in government were against strong federal government.
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That must be why they decided to illegally throw out the abysmal failure of a gov't that they had before which had a weak federal gov't, to instate one that had a strong federal gov't. They were against oppressive federal gov'ts.

And my favorite quote about the founding fathers is that people like to pick one and quote mine the **** out of them.
 
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Um nothing to do with that quote?

I quoted Scooby (Kepler Irony).
Just pointing out most of the founders of the constitution and who served in government were against strong federal government.
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Scooby was quoting my post about the House Majority Leader not having a grasp of what the First Amendment was all about. But I guess the Constitution wasn't that important to Jefferson...it's not like he wrote it.
 
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Just pointing out most of the founders of the constitution and who served in government were against strong federal government.
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From what I know, Jefferson, etc were in fact in support of the Constitution. I don't think they would have been too supportive of the seven changes to the Constitution supported by one of our GOP candidates. Nor do I think they would have supported the position of trivializing the judicial branch entirely.

In fact, Thomas Jefferson himself was a big fan of the US Bill of Rights. I doubt he would have supported use of the Bill of Rights...with the purpose of protecting peoples rights....to limit peoples rights in the way the GOP dreams.

"Half a loaf is better than no bread. If we cannot secure all our rights, let us secure what we can."
 
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Kepler said:
People who make a career in government by saying "government is bad" isn't ironic enough for you? ;)
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Nope. I like lots of irony and the GOP sure has a lot of it. I can hardly wait till Bachmann gets elected so we can see irony in action.
 
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5mn_Major said:
From what I know, Jefferson, etc were in fact in support of the Constitution. I don't think they would have been too supportive of the seven changes to the Constitution supported by one of our GOP candidates. Nor do I think they would have supported the position of trivializing the judicial branch entirely.

In fact, Thomas Jefferson himself was a big fan of the US Bill of Rights. I doubt he would have supported use of the Bill of Rights...with the purpose of protecting peoples rights....to limit peoples rights in the way the GOP dreams.

"Half a loaf is better than no bread. If we cannot secure all our rights, let us secure what we can."
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Says the man who would ban guns altogether.
 
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