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Sweet Valentine! The saga of the 2012 Boston Red Sox

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you can hear all 13 people at the game on tv tonight. this is awesome!! :D
 
mookie1995 said:
you can hear all 13 people at the game on tv tonight. this is awesome!! :D
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Was it one walk for every person??

Seriously, the Red Sox needed to look at Bard the starter when he first joined the organization. He was similar to Bard the major league starter. He's going to need 2 seasons to get the reliever head reinstalled. Can the Sox wait that long?
 
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Only 4 days left and our long national nightmare will be over.
 
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Yeah, I always liked the guy but the team rolled over and died and if the front office isn't going to support him might as well let him go. I saw a laughable story about the Sox considering the bench coach as manager. That ought to work out well.

Aside from LaRussa, I have no idea who to get. Farrell sounds good but this team needs a top notch pitching coach more than anything else. Fire the entire staff and start over. Fire the bat boys. Fire the grounds crew. Fire the peanut vendors.
Clean house.

Beyond that, the front office needs to stop making high $$$ signings based on nerdbag statistics and take the time to see who can play that's already here. If Oakland can make the playoffs with only three guys their own announcers can name (Crisp, Reddick and the Cespasomthingorother guy) than the Sox with Ellsbury, Pedroia, and Ortiz ought to be able to also. Aside from trading for a mid rotation starter I don't want any splashy free agents this year. Give guys like Ross, Sweeney, Ciriaco, Middlebrooks, and Lavarnway the job at their respective positions and see what they can do all year. Make Iglesias and Kalish play their way into the lineup. Turf Acevis because he's a headcase.
 
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Rover said:
Aside from LaRussa, I have no idea who to get. Farrell sounds good but this team needs a top notch pitching coach more than anything else. Fire the entire staff and start over. Fire the bat boys. Fire the grounds crew. Fire the peanut vendors.
Clean house.
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You forgot about firing the owners. And Lucchino. They all need to go and quickly.
 
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I thought the whole idea behind the nerdbag statistics was to find players who could put up similar stats as the $$$ signings, but at a fraction of the price?
 
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rufus said:
I thought the whole idea behind the nerdbag statistics was to find players who could put up similar stats as the $$$ signings, but at a fraction of the price?
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no, it was to show how bobby grich should be in the hof :D
 
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And to close out the final chapter on the 2012 Red Sox ---
10/23/12 -- Costas tonight on NBCSports
Bobby Valentine throws David Ortiz under the bus -- "He quit on the Red Sox". Talk about burning bridges!
 
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joecct said:
And to close out the final chapter on the 2012 Red Sox ---
10/23/12 -- Costas tonight on NBCSports
Bobby Valentine throws David Ortiz under the bus -- "He quit on the Red Sox". Talk about burning bridges!
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of course he did. duh
 
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Valentine wasn't the problem. Neither was Tito. If they continue to suck, Farrell won't be the problem either. Regardless, I think John Farrell was overrated as a pitching coach and they've overrated him as a manager. How about improving the roster?
 
J.D. said:
Valentine wasn't the problem. Neither was Tito. If they continue to suck, Farrell won't be the problem either. Regardless, I think John Farrell was overrated as a pitching coach and they've overrated him as a manager. How about improving the roster?
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Agree about Farrell not being the savior he's being portrayed at, but I think they can win with their roster (see Oakland). They've got talent with Ellsbury-Pedroia-Ortiz-Middlebrooks in the lineup. Would like to see a deal for Mauer or even take a flier on Lincecum but otherwise play the kids and see where it gets you. With Ciriaco, Middlebrooks, Lavarnway, and Kalish they need to put these guys in there and see who takes the next step. I'd also sign back Ross.
 
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Valentine was not the problem, but IMO he was a problem, or if you prefer he was a part of the problem. I think that if they had hired anyone they interviewed other than Valentine with everything else being equal, they would have won more games.

And I haven't seen Farrell being portrayed as a "savior". In fact a lot of the comments I've heard are kind of back-handed compliments, like "He can't be worse than Valentine". Unless folks are saying that picking him over the other candidates (and honestly, I would have preferred they had) is "overrating" him, then it seems to me that the portrayals of Farrell have been pretty modest.
 
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How many more games? I'm assuming you think the players simply would have performed better under a different manager? That's part of my problem. The manager shouldn't matter. Have some pride in yourself and be a professional.

Also, I didn't mean what fans think about Farrell. I'm saying the Red Sox have overrated him as a manager. When he was here, however, all you heard was how he was one of the best pitching coaches in the game, etc. In that regard, I personally think he was overrated as a pitching coach. I never saw the greatness.
 
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