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Strands in the Tapestry: the Business, Economics, and Tax Policy Thread

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FreshFish said:
An excellent essay from the NYTimes that helps explain why the USA is still a "spirituality-driven" nation, even while self-reported participation in organized religion declines.




One possible translation: traditional morality is too hard and takes too long to bear fruit.


It certainly helps illluminate why people born in the mid-1950s or earlier and people born in the mid-1960s or later seem to speak two different languages.
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This article must have been written by someone born in the mid-1950s or earlier; I sure as hell can't understand it.
 
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You want to be successful in business move to North Carolina. They've set themselves up for success.
 
FreshFish said:
An excellent essay from the NYTimes that helps explain why the USA is still a "spirituality-driven" nation, even while self-reported participation in organized religion declines.




One possible translation: traditional morality is too hard and takes too long to bear fruit.


It certainly helps illluminate why people born in the mid-1950s or earlier and people born in the mid-1960s or later seem to speak two different languages.
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I don't think people who came of age before the 60's were any more moral than the people who came afterwards. They may have been more secretive about their vices (gambling, adultery, etc) but with a few exceptions (drug usage for one) I think its about the same.

While I don't know the authors' ages, it seems to me every generation thinks the one that comes after it are a bunch of candy-@_sses. This article fits that premise.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Yeah with more F500 companies per person than any other state...high taxes are really killing us in Minnesota.
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You guys have halfway decent taxes. Perhaps you'd like to see what we have here? :rolleyes:
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You guys have halfway decent taxes. Perhaps you'd like to see what we have here? :rolleyes:
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We're perennially in the top 10 for high-taxed state lists, often in the top five. We're really not much different than NY.
 
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St. Clown said:
We're perennially in the top 10 for high-taxed state lists, often in the top five. We're really not much different than NY.
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We're perennially at the top of the list, and they're only going higher.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You guys have halfway decent taxes. Perhaps you'd like to see what we have here? :rolleyes:
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Not sure everyone is so upset about taxes that drive the local economy...rather than taxes that have little impact on your local economy. I don't mind helping out my community as that helps me back. I don't see a need to finance other people's economies...maybe that's where you and I differ:

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5mn_Major said:
Not sure everyone is so upset about taxes that drive the local economy...rather than taxes that have little impact on your local economy. I don't mind helping out my community as that helps me back. I don't see a need to finance other people's economies...maybe that's where you and I differ:
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Taxes here destroy the local economy. It's bad enough that Homo has to make businesses that start up near state universities to be tax-free, as he's so desperate to try to keep people in the Vampire State that he doesn't understand the answer is right in front of him; he's too busy trying to tell hunters how to kill deer.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Not sure everyone is so upset about taxes that drive the local economy...
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interesting verb choice. in some states, taxes are strangling the local economy ("driving" them to ruin, you might say). however, it's much more than taxes, it's the entire regulatory attitude. in some states, the legislators truly seem to believe that all profits are obscene and should be highly regulated, if allowed at all.

You see it in how people are voting with their feet, how high-tax states in the northeast continue to lose population (and representation in the House after every decennial census) while low-tax states in the southeast have growing populations.


PS economic statistics and studies have repeatedly shown that the single best way to help people out of poverty to a better life are to encourage widespread economic growth. In the US today, we have too much crony capitalism from both parties, too much favoritism shown from both parties to specific businesses and industries at the expense of the whole.

It is tremendously risky to ship unrefined oil by train through population centers rather than to ship it by pipeline through unpopulated areas, yet we cannot get pipelines built. would the greens have us stop all economic activity entirely?
 
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FreshFish said:
interesting verb choice. in some states, taxes are strangling the local economy ("driving" them to ruin, you might say). however, it's much more than taxes, it's the entire regulatory attitude. in some states, the legislators truly seem to believe that all profits are obscene and should be highly regulated, if allowed at all.

You see it in how people are voting with their feet, how high-tax states in the northeast continue to lose population (and representation in the House after every decennial census) while low-tax states in the southeast have growing populations.


PS economic statistics and studies have repeatedly shown that the single best way to help people out of poverty to a better life are to encourage widespread economic growth. In the US today, we have too much crony capitalism from both parties, too much favoritism shown from both parties to specific businesses and industries at the expense of the whole.

It is tremendously risky to ship unrefined oil by train through population centers rather than to ship it by pipeline through unpopulated areas, yet we cannot get pipelines built. would the greens have us stop all economic activity entirely?
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Great concepts, but how are you going to execute that last part? The biggest issue that I've seen with shipping by pipeline is that there isn't anywhere to put the pipelines. Everywhere is either developed, environmentally protected, or NIMBY protested. And yes, the eco-terrorists want the country to fail by removing energy. We should maroon them on an island and hold them to their policies, such as they can't make fire because it will pollute the air.
 
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New Economic Theory passed by Republicans yesterday. They passed a new farm bill laden with pork for extremely rich conglomerate farmers while at the same time ripping millions of children off of food stamps.

That's a win win. Lots of money for job creators while saving huge coin on the backs of non-job creators.
 
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FreshFish said:
interesting verb choice. in some states, taxes are strangling the local economy ("driving" them to ruin, you might say). however, it's much more than taxes, it's the entire regulatory attitude. in some states, the legislators truly seem to believe that all profits are obscene and should be highly regulated, if allowed at all.

You see it in how people are voting with their feet, how high-tax states in the northeast continue to lose population (and representation in the House after every decennial census) while low-tax states in the southeast have growing populations.


PS economic statistics and studies have repeatedly shown that the single best way to help people out of poverty to a better life are to encourage widespread economic growth. In the US today, we have too much crony capitalism from both parties, too much favoritism shown from both parties to specific businesses and industries at the expense of the whole.

It is tremendously risky to ship unrefined oil by train through population centers rather than to ship it by pipeline through unpopulated areas, yet we cannot get pipelines built. would the greens have us stop all economic activity entirely?
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Except for AK, people pay taxes in each state. Its the incremental difference of a few percent and I would bet my last dollar that there is no correlation between a strong corporate climate and low taxes (except in TX where there's an abundance of money due to oil). Frankly what's driving population shifts is poor weather (do you really want to have it be 10 degrees for 5 months a year?).

Again folks should be unhappy about their money being shipped elsewhere for the benefit of other economies...whether its transfer payments to states a thousand miles away or military where much of the money is being spent overseas.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Except for AK, people pay taxes in each state. Its the incremental difference of a few percent and I would bet my last dollar that there is no correlation between a strong corporate climate and low taxes (except in TX where there's an abundance of money due to oil). Frankly what's driving population shifts is poor weather (do you really want to have it be 10 degrees for 5 months a year?).

Again folks should be unhappy about their money being shipped elsewhere for the benefit of other economies...whether its transfer payments to states a thousand miles away or military where much of the money is being spent overseas.
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Is this an admission that global warming is a lie? :p:D

The reason you don't see a correlation between those two now is because any damage that that caused is already done. NYS has already been abandoned by the companies that wanted to abandon it. Apple has already moved corporate HQ to Nevada. People are understanding that they have to go where the jobs are. It's now a question of if they will be expanding back to these markets.

No comment on your lecturing us what our feelings should be.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Is this an admission that global warming is a lie? :p:D

The reason you don't see a correlation between those two now is because any damage that that caused is already done. NYS has already been abandoned by the companies that wanted to abandon it. Apple has already moved corporate HQ to Nevada. People are understanding that they have to go where the jobs are. It's now a question of if they will be expanding back to these markets.

No comment on your lecturing us what our feelings should be.
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Lots of jobs in Texas. I wonder why no one wants to move there?

Hmmmm..........

http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2009-01-16/726748/

Children in Texas are more likely to be born underweight, grow up in poverty, and face underfunded health and mental services than the national average. Those are just some of the worrying statistics in the 2009 "Children's Campaign Report" issued by advocacy group Texans Care for Children
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...eels-very-badly-children-texas-163723592.html

Texas' ACT and SAT scores are lower than the national average, and the state is in the bottom 10 of states in estimated graduation rate, Bloomberg News reports. Perry cut spending on education for the state's 4.85 million students by $4 billion for the next two years, about 6 percent across the board, from the state's education spending formula. Before these cuts, Texas ranked 37th out of 50 states in per-pupil spending, and 31st in average teacher salaries, the Dallas Morning News reported. A recent study found that about 29 percent of Texas freshmen in the 2006-2007 school year left school before graduating.
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http://theparisnews.com/news/article_f05cbebc-e009-11e2-a6d5-001a4bcf887a.html

Texas continues to be one of the worst states in the nation for children, with the latest snapshot ranking the Lone Star State “one of the worst 10 states to be a kid,” according to a report released Monday. And, Lamar County ranked below the statewide numbers.

The Annie E. Casey Foundation, in its annual Kids Count assessment of children’s health and well-being, ranked Texas 42nd nationally, which is determined by a number of factors including teen pregnancy rates, youngsters without health insurance, families receiving public assistance, poverty rates and graduation rates.
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I just can't ****ing understand why people don't want to move there. Someone clue me in.
 
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