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Strands in the Tapestry: the Business, Economics, and Tax Policy Thread

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I'm well aware of emergency repairs. I can also tell you're an east coaster, since you didn't mention 35W. ;)

I know we're all worried about Big Brother. Heck, I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to red light cameras. If one idea doesn't work, perhaps we change it up a bit. There was a suggestion of mileage tax and have it be tied to inspection. Here's one issue I have always seen with mileage taxes, though: Why is NYS getting money for my driving time in PA, VT, or any other state for that matter? Granted, you could make the same argument when it comes to state fuel taxes, as I would commonly fill up in another state because it was cheaper. How would you handle those situations, aside from the hard-to-enforce sales and use tax?

I wouldn't do a mileage tax. I don't like it much like I don't like charging people for driving downtown during a certain time of the day (A Bloomberg idea for lower Manhattan). I like a gas tax indexed to inflation because its a pure contribution - everybody pays the same tax for every mile you drive. If you choose to buy a more fuel efficient car, take public transit, etc then you benefit. If you drive a Winnebago all year, then that recreational activity will cost you more.

Regarding other sources of funding, it kills me to say this but I suppose tolls are also a relatively honest way of uniting revenues and costs, provided the proceeds from the tolls collected actually goes towards maintaining the transit system and not for something else.

Let me give an example. The original Mass Pike bond issue was paid for years ago. It still collects tolls largely due to Big Dig costs. Putting aside cost overages for a second, I can live with the concept of tolls on one highway paying for the overall system's maintenance. What I don't want to see is tolls on the highway paying for a bloated pension system, or other items which have nothing to do with transit.

The trick is to figure out if what they're charging is a fair price. The Tappan Zee is relatively pricey but to get to NY but avoid NYC I'll gladly shell it out. In contrast, some bridge to Philly charges like 10 bucks to cross it. Nobody actually wants to go to Philly, so this is a total rip off!
 
I'm tempted to quote that last sentence in my signature to see if you are a man of your word. I'm not a complete sociopath and will assume you are a man of your word. If you don't have honour, you have nothing.

Forgot to answer this. Yes, put me down as a contributor to Rand Paul for Prez. As a Dem, if you asked me who I'm worried about facing next time, I'd tell you Chris Christie as he'd have the most potential to undo the electoral college problem facing the Republicans (they have to win back FL, VA, OH, AND one other state - most likely CO) by putting some previously Dem turn in play (NJ presumably and PA).

Rand Paul running for President, even if Hillary bails and Old Uncle Joe Biden is the nominee, gets his @ ss kicked clear back into the Stone Ages. Even better, he takes the party with him. So if he runs, sign me up for a $25 donation! Just keep me off the list to receive his newsletter...:eek:
 
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I wouldn't do a mileage tax. I don't like it much like I don't like charging people for driving downtown during a certain time of the day (A Bloomberg idea for lower Manhattan). I like a gas tax indexed to inflation because its a pure contribution - everybody pays the same tax for every mile you drive. If you choose to buy a more fuel efficient car, take public transit, etc then you benefit. If you drive a Winnebago all year, then that recreational activity will cost you more.

Regarding other sources of funding, it kills me to say this but I suppose tolls are also a relatively honest way of uniting revenues and costs, provided the proceeds from the tolls collected actually goes towards maintaining the transit system and not for something else.

Let me give an example. The original Mass Pike bond issue was paid for years ago. It still collects tolls largely due to Big Dig costs. Putting aside cost overages for a second, I can live with the concept of tolls on one highway paying for the overall system's maintenance. What I don't want to see is tolls on the highway paying for a bloated pension system, or other items which have nothing to do with transit.

The trick is to figure out if what they're charging is a fair price. The Tappan Zee is relatively pricey but to get to NY but avoid NYC I'll gladly shell it out. In contrast, some bridge to Philly charges like 10 bucks to cross it. Nobody actually wants to go to Philly, so this is a total rip off!

If you're looking to use this sort of tax for the maintenance of roads, then it doesn't make sense to give hybrids a break just because they use less fuel. If anything, you need to have them paying more because they're tearing up the roads much more.

I remember reading about the Mass Pike bonds, and I believe that is why, as of 1996, exits 1-6 are free. The Thruway was also supposed to go toll-free, however once they sold the canal system to the NYSTA, they had justification to keep the tolls. Pennsylvania has been trying to get tolls along I-80, but were denied by the FHWA. Obviously Texas is able to do it because it is state roads.

Actually, the Hudson River bridges is a little unique because with the exception of the Berkshire spur, all of the bridges contribute to and take from the same pot of money. Then, they base the cost on not only the bridge itself, but also the traffic across it. Obviously Tappan Zee is fairly expensive (I believe autos is $5/$4), while something like the Rip Van Winkle (NY 23) is $1.50/$1 IIRC. One thing is true, though: You don't have to pay to go to Jersey, but you have to pay to get out of it.
 
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And in this addition of Today In Knuckledragging, apparently old timey GOP Senators are getting fed up with their colleagues not wanting to go to committee to resolve the differences between the House and Senate budget. Odd, since these same Repubs made such as stink over the Senate passing a budget. Now that they do, its "oh, we'll get back to you". :rolleyes: Does anybody on the right realize that these blatantly hypocritical and juvenile tactics are why the Republican party is as popular as jock itch right now?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...0b3500-c262-11e2-914f-a7aba60512a7_story.html
 
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And in this addition of Today In Knuckledragging, apparently old timey GOP Senators are getting fed up with their colleagues not wanting to go to committee to resolve the differences between the House and Senate budget. Odd, since these same Repubs made such as stink over the Senate passing a budget. Now that they do, its "oh, we'll get back to you". :rolleyes: Does anybody on the right realize that these blatantly hypocritical and juvenile tactics are why the Republican party is as popular as jock itch right now?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...0b3500-c262-11e2-914f-a7aba60512a7_story.html

Well duh. They have an agenda, and that's how they want to run the party. Is it any wonder why I traded in the elephant for a porcupine?
 
Well duh. They have an agenda, and that's how they want to run the party. Is it any wonder why I traded in the elephant for a porcupine?

Hey I'm cool with that. While I don't support the libertarians they by and large are intellectually honest.

Seeing what happened in Virginia (supposed Tea Party candidates are in fact Talibanesque social conservatives) I'm curious to see if people who truly are only interested in fiscal matters and not social issues gravitate towards the Libertarians.
 
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Hey I'm cool with that. While I don't support the libertarians they by and large are intellectually honest.

Seeing what happened in Virginia (supposed Tea Party candidates are in fact Talibanesque social conservatives) I'm curious to see if people who truly are only interested in fiscal matters and not social issues gravitate towards the Libertarians.

Some go for a movement to say something, while others just hop on the momentum bandwagon to press their agenda. It's no surprise that the '10 electees suffered the same fate as the '08 electees. We'll see the same thing in '14. The commies are causing squeaky wheels.
 
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Question 1: Why do you want a stronger dollar?

Question 2: Why do you think the dollar will collapse due to a continuation of current fed policies when the only currencies that could compete with the US are linked to countries/regions in deep recessions (Pound/UK and Euro/EU)?

He wants inflation. Just like everyone at Fix News. They want the price of Gold to go up cause that's where all their money is right now.
 
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Gotta love Ted Cruz' approach to having a productive workplace...

"Let me be clear, I don't trust the Republicans. And I don't trust the Democrats."

-- Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), quoted by TPM, responding to criticism from Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for blocking budget negotiations.

Try going into the office tomorrow and declaring to your bosses, your peers and the people below you that you don't trust any of them and see how long you keep your job. :rolleyes:
 
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Gotta love Ted Cruz' approach to having a productive workplace...

"Let me be clear, I don't trust the Republicans. And I don't trust the Democrats."

-- Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), quoted by TPM, responding to criticism from Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for blocking budget negotiations.

Try going into the office tomorrow and declaring to your bosses, your peers and the people below you that you don't trust any of them and see how long you keep your job. :rolleyes:

I have a personal policy to trust no one, and I still have a job.
 
I have a personal policy to trust no one, and I still have a job.

And did you openly declare that to everybody or have you kept that to yourself? Because if you told your boss you don't trust him/her I have to wonder exactly what industry you're working in.
 
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Gotta love Ted Cruz' approach to having a productive workplace...

"Let me be clear, I don't trust the Republicans. And I don't trust the Democrats."

-- Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), quoted by TPM, responding to criticism from Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for blocking budget negotiations.

Try going into the office tomorrow and declaring to your bosses, your peers and the people below you that you don't trust any of them and see how long you keep your job. :rolleyes:
(a) if you're unionized, pretty good
(b) if your a civil servant, pretty good.
 
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Brutal takedown of Bush II tax cuts at all costs economics by a former Reagan/Bush I official...

The Bush Tax-Cut Failure
By BRUCE BARTLETT
Bruce Bartlett held senior policy roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations and served on the staffs of Representatives Jack Kemp and Ron Paul. He is the author of “The Benefit and the Burden: Tax Reform – Why We Need It and What It Will Take.”

Ten years ago this month, Congress enacted the third major tax cut of the George W. Bush administration. Its centerpiece was a huge cut in the tax rate on dividends. Historically, they had been taxed as ordinary income, but the Bush plan, enacted by a Republican Congress, cut that rate to 15 percent. The tax rate on ordinary income went as high as 35 percent.

This initiative originated with the economist R. Glenn Hubbard, who had been chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers when the proposal was sent to Congress. Mr. Hubbard was a strong believer that the double taxation of corporate profits – first at the corporate level and again when paid out as dividends – was a major economic problem.

During the George H.W. Bush administration, Mr. Hubbard had been deputy assistant secretary of the Treasury for tax policy and wrote a Treasury report advocating full integration of the corporate and individual income taxes.

Mr. Hubbard had also spearheaded enactment of big tax cuts in 2001 and 2002 that he said would jump-start the American economy. In an op-ed article in The Washington Post on Nov. 16, 2001, he predicted that the soon-to-be-enacted 2002 tax cut, which President Bush signed on March 9, 2002, would “quickly deliver a boost to move the economy back toward its long-run growth path.”

Mr. Hubbard predicted that it would create 300,000 additional jobs in 2002 and add half a percentage point to the real gross domestic product growth rate.

There is no evidence that the tax cut had any such effect. The unemployment rate remained above 5.7 percent all year, rising to 5.9 percent in November and 6 percent in December. The real G.D.P. growth rate fell each quarter of 2002, and by the fourth quarter growth was at a standstill. Hence the need for yet another big tax cut.

The idea of the 2003 legislation was to raise dividend payouts, thereby bolstering personal income, and raise the prices of common stock, which would improve household balance sheets. As President Bush explained in his signing statement, “This will encourage more companies to pay dividends, which in itself will not only be good for investors but will be a corporate reform measure.” He also said the dividend tax cut would “increase the wealth effect around America and help our markets.”

The Treasury Department issued a fact sheet on July 30 asserting that the decline in dividends had been a cause of the weak stock market and noting that dividend payouts had risen since enactment of the tax cut on May 28.

Subsequent research, however, found that the increase in dividends was a short-term phenomenon and mainly at companies where stock options were a major form of executive compensation. A 2005 Federal Reserve Board study found that the United States stock market did not outperform European stock markets after the dividend cut. Nor did stocks qualifying for lower dividend taxes outperform those, such as real estate investment trusts, that did not qualify for lower dividend taxes. Non-dividend paying stocks slightly outperformed dividend-paying stocks, and many corporations that did pay higher dividends scaled back stock repurchases by a similar amount.

Share repurchases were a common way that corporations returned profits to shareholders. They raised stock prices, which were untaxed as long as shareholders held the stock and were taxed at low capital gains tax rates when sold.

A 2006 Federal Reserve study found that a third of corporations cut share repurchases by the same amount they increased dividend payouts. Hence only the form of shareholder compensation changed, not the amount. A 2010 Federal Reserve study found little change in total dividend payouts after the 2003 rate cut as a percentage of corporate earnings. It concluded that the tax cut had little, if any, effect.

A 2008 study published in the National Tax Journal surveyed investment professionals to see their reaction to the dividend tax cut. It found that the tax cut was less significant than other factors, such as corporate cash flow and cash holdings that were unaffected by the tax change.

A 2011 study by the Treasury Department examined household portfolios. It found no evidence that households shifted their investments from those whose return was taxed as ordinary income into dividend-paying stocks whose income was taxed less.

Finally, a January 2013 study by Danny Yagan of the University of California, Berkeley, examined the impact of the 2003 tax cut on corporate investment. He found zero change.

It is hard to find even a reputable conservative economist willing to say anything good these days about President Bush’s tax and economic policies. In 2009, the Harvard economist Dale Jorgenson said he saw no redeeming features in them.

In 2011, the economist Alan Viard of the conservative American Enterprise Institute told Bloomberg News, “The effects of the Bush tax cuts on growth were ambiguous at best.” He added, “They were not much of a poster child for pro-growth tax policy.”

Even Mr. Hubbard now seems unwilling to defend the tax cuts he shepherded into law. Earlier this year, he was asked by The New York Times what he thought about the repeal of many of the Bush-era tax cuts on Jan. 1. He said many of those tax cuts were no longer relevant to our tax and economic problems.

Mr. Hubbard even suggested that higher revenues, long a Republican no-no, were not a bad thing. “We need a tax system that can promote economic growth and raise the revenue the American people want to devote to government,” he said.
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http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/the-bush-tax-cut-failure/
 
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Just curious.

Regarding "endangered species." are they all animals? any plants on the list?


seems a bit short-sighted. many of our pharmaceutical breakthroughs come from plants.
 
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Here is a very interesting question from askphilosophers.org:

Q: Is it rational to believe that some of my beliefs are false? This seems like a reasonable claim. After all, most people have some false beliefs, and I know that I've had plenty of beliefs in the past which I later learned were false. On the other hand, I obviously believe that each of my beliefs is true (otherwise, they wouldn't be my beliefs). So how could I also believe that some unspecified beliefs among them are false?

A: It certainly looks like the height of rationality for you to believe that at least some of your beliefs are false. Yet, as you point out, there's no particular belief of yours that you regard as false. Any given belief of yours you regard as true; otherwise, it wouldn't be a belief of yours. This pair of attitudes gives rise to what's usually called the "Paradox of the Preface." One place to start looking is the SEP entry on "Epistemic Paradoxes," available here, which contains both discussion and references.

I know that I have changed my mind (um "evolved my thinking" ;)) on certain matters over time, as I've learned and gained experience (think of Mark Twain's famous quip, which I am paraphrasing: "When I was an adolescent, my father was an idiot; but now that I'm in my 20s, I'm amazed at how much the old man was able to learn in such a short span of years.").

Believe it or not, I've even learned a few things new to me from reading a few (too few?) posts on these boards. While asking questions to probe others' thinking might be annoying to one or two; it has indeed helped me learn from others when they actually do respond in a substantive manner.
 
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A very well-written story in today's WSJ on when a good idea (mandated by government) conflicts with an even better idea (implementation of which is constricted by the former mandate):

Next month, a major bridge over the Schuylkill River just outside Philadelphia will be declared too unsafe for trains to use. Its wood ties are rotten and officials fear the rails, expanding in the summer sun, will pull the trestle apart.

The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, or Septa, says the bridge hasn't been fixed because Septa is being required to spend money on a different safety program. The other program is designed to prevent trains from crashing into each other.

Both goals—avoiding bridge failures and avoiding train crashes—are top priorities, Septa says. But Septa argues that basic repairs are its more urgent need.

"We could have great signals," says Rich Burnfield, Septa's chief financial officer. "But we might not have safe bridges to run those trains over."

Similar complaints are being made nationwide, from New York's sprawling transit system, to the tiny 13-station Rail Runner Express in New Mexico. The rail networks are fighting a federal requirement to install anticrash systems by the end of 2015. They argue their systems are already safe and that the requirement siphons money from repairs. They want Congress to push back the deadline.

Later in the article, the author explains how the value of a human life is calculated for the cost/benefit analyses that agencies are required to perform before issuing regulations.
 
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