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Strands in the Tapestry: the Business, Economics, and Tax Policy Thread

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...which 'might/will' change based on the grid moving to wind, solar. It all moves to zero.
The more our grid moves to solar and wind, the more people who pray should pray for not a single day of calm wind with rain or overcast skies in the forecast.
 
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We will still not be able to physically cover and maintain enough surface area for solar to provide a significant fraction of our energy needs.


As long as our collection / distribution systems remain earth-bound, yes. If we can get orbiting collectors and beamed power, then we're all set. ;)

Though it seems to me that geothermal and fusion would be much better sources than solar, all else considered.
 
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As long as our collection / distribution systems remain earth-bound, yes. If we can get orbiting collectors and beamed power, then we're all set. ;)

Though it seems to me that geothermal and fusion would be much better sources than solar, all else considered.

And how do you plan to transfer that? Microwave? Perhaps the dudes that made Sim City 2000 knew something... ;)
 
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aaaaarrgh!

:)

No worries, instead of huge amounts of solar panels, you need huge amounts of satellite dishes. Not to mention, that still doesn't solve the timing challenges. When it's dark, you still don't have the ability to obtain power from your satellites. Unless, of course, you get some really weird setup similar to how Chinese TV can be picked up here.

About the only possible green energy idea I could see work, and there are still geographic limitations, is the Sullivan Generator.
 
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About the only possible green energy idea I could see work, and there are still geographic limitations, is the Sullivan Generator.
pleasebekiddingpleasebekiddingpleasebekiddingpleasebekiddingpleasebekidding.

Please?

Paraphrasing Lewis Black's take on Enron (If a company can't explain in one sentence what it does, it's illegal): if an inventor can't explain his generator in one sentence, it's a perpetual motion scam.
 
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pleasebekiddingpleasebekiddingpleasebekiddingpleasebekiddingpleasebekidding.

Please?

Paraphrasing Lewis Black's take on Enron (If a company can't explain in one sentence what it does, it's illegal): if an inventor can't explain his generator in one sentence, it's a perpetual motion scam.

For the time being, I believe I have proved the usability of renewable energy. Actually, solar isn't even renewable.
 
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There's something ironic about you mentioning rockets in space while railing against government involvement, but ****ed if I can find it...
Robert Goddard. Did it all without government involvement. Guggenheim Foundation provided a lot of the $$
 
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Robert Goddard. Did it all without government involvement. Guggenheim Foundation provided a lot of the $$
His best rocket made it to ~8500 ft. He was brilliant and a fantastic inventor, but let's not go overboard by insinuating that he actually achieved space flight without public funding. Paul Allen was the first to privately fund a space flight, long after the technology had been developed by NASA and the military.
 
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His best rocket made it to ~8500 ft. He was brilliant and a fantastic inventor, but let's not go overboard by insinuating that he actually achieved space flight without public funding. Paul Allen was the first to privately fund a space flight, long after the technology had been developed by NASA and the military.

You didn't build that. :D
 
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aaaaarrgh!

:)

okay so my sense of irony is so subtle as to be nearly undetectable sometimes. I thought you'd know for sure I was kidding with the "collect solar energy in outer space" part. :)

though I was serious about geothermal. Today it's a niche source, but with what we are learning about subterranean geology with hydrolic fracking and other extraction techniques, it seems a natural extrapolation of that technology to tap into hot spots like Yellowstone.

Yes, I am positing the future development of technology that doesn't exist yet.
 
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Yes, I am positing the future development of technology that doesn't exist yet.

Why? As seen on this thread, we are at the single point in time where technological progress permanently stops.
 
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Why? As seen on this thread, we are at the single point in time where technological progress permanently stops.

And how do you expect that we technologically progress so that the sun shines 24 hours a day, 366 days a year?
 
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okay so my sense of irony is so subtle as to be nearly undetectable sometimes. I thought you'd know for sure I was kidding with the "collect solar energy in outer space" part. :)
No, I did. Thought the smile would indicate that I was just playing along. Maybe two next time? :):)


though I was serious about geothermal. Today it's a niche source, but with what we are learning about subterranean geology with hydrolic fracking and other extraction techniques, it seems a natural extrapolation of that technology to tap into hot spots like Yellowstone.

Yes, I am positing the future development of technology that doesn't exist yet.
...but at least makes sense from a physics point of view! Heat in the earth's mantle is highly concentrated and not all that far away (compared to crazy moon or asteroid mining schemes). Geo doesn't need to pretend that the invention of a more efficient pipe or pump will unleash magic results upon us. If I had to invest in geo or solar, I'd bet on geo any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
 
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Why? As seen on this thread, we are at the single point in time where technological progress permanently stops.
No, it's just that some of us have moved PAST the point in time when people thought technology was magic. I fully agree that PV and other solar technologies will continue to advance - but they can't go past 100% efficiency, and even 100% efficiency doesn't work given the fundamental diffuseness of solar radiation. I don't know how many times and ways I can say it: technology will not solve the solar energy problem even though it will continue to advance.
 
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And how do you expect that we technologically progress so that the sun shines 24 hours a day, 366 days a year?

It doesn't need to. With the sun we have in the west and south, all we need is current rates of technology and progress to continue. Oh that's right...physics will limit technology.

I've really found this whole issue that technology is plateau'ing to be quite fascinating. Last century, the patent office supposedly recommended itself closed due to the fact that 'everything that will be invented has been invented'. So how has that turned out?

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No, I did. Thought the smile would indicate that I was just playing along. Maybe two next time? :):)


...but at least makes sense from a physics point of view! Heat in the earth's mantle is highly concentrated and not all that far away (compared to crazy moon or asteroid mining schemes). Geo doesn't need to pretend that the invention of a more efficient pipe or pump will unleash magic results upon us. If I had to invest in geo or solar, I'd bet on geo any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Isn't Iceland heavily invested in geothermal? With all the hot springs and mild volcanoes on their island, I thought they saw it as a solid, long-term, financially viable option.
 
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It doesn't need to. With the sun we have in the west and south, all we need is current rates of technology and progress to continue. Oh that's right...physics will limit technology.

I've really found this whole issue that technology is plateau'ing to be quite fascinating. Last century, the patent office supposedly recommended itself closed due to the fact that 'everything that will be invented has been invented'. So how has that turned out?

I'd like you to also take a look at the number of lawsuits that are being filed in relation to patent laws. The number of patents being issued is not about the invention of technology. It is about the establishment of proprietary methods.
 
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