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Starting D1 Hockey Program
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gfmorris
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Re: Starting D1 Hockey Program
I don't know why an odd number of teams messes with everyone's head. It's pretty simple:
· 10 opponents, minimum 20 games
· Can play rotate playing H&H with half the league to get to 30 if you really wanted
· Could make the regular season mean something by loading up the schedules of the top teams with last season's weaklings
GFM
I don't know why an odd number of teams messes with everyone's head. It's pretty simple:
· 10 opponents, minimum 20 games
· Can play rotate playing H&H with half the league to get to 30 if you really wanted
· Could make the regular season mean something by loading up the schedules of the top teams with last season's weaklings
GFM
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I mean, it's obviously doable. Hockey East had a period where there were 9 teams and now 11. It's just easier with an even number when it comes to scheduling. Look at the end of season schedule in Hockey East. Not what you're looking for as the regular season winds down.
I mean, it's obviously doable. Hockey East had a period where there were 9 teams and now 11. It's just easier with an even number when it comes to scheduling. Look at the end of season schedule in Hockey East. Not what you're looking for as the regular season winds down.
beaverhockeyfan
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It blows my mind as well. But then again, you and I lived through the 5 team CHA scheduling days. Nothing better than a 24 game conference schedule.
MTUHuskies
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Which is why I'd like to see the CCHA stay at 7. Four games against each of the other six is a nice balanced schedule. If other leagues also have odd numbers, scheduling OOC games should be easier for the one team without a league series.
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11 is different because for a balanced schedule you'd have either 20 or 30 league games. 20 isn't a horrible idea but that just means more non conference slots you have to fill. But you could certainly play league opponents in non league games. The headache is with scheduling, especially at the end of the year where it's down to all league games.
11 is different because for a balanced schedule you'd have either 20 or 30 league games. 20 isn't a horrible idea but that just means more non conference slots you have to fill. But you could certainly play league opponents in non league games. The headache is with scheduling, especially at the end of the year where it's down to all league games.
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Sacred Heart is a long way from HE. First of all, with the pandemic throwing a monkey wrench into all school budgets, planning and capital projects, the new arena construction that was supposed to start this summer is on hold. I haven't heard a revised schedule and I'm sure all projects will be re-evaluated. Their team also had a great season, but it was their first winning slate after 9 consecutive losing seasons. Lastly, they play most of their games before friends and family crowds. They will need to build the new arena, establish themselves as a consistent contender in the AHA and increase their typical attendance by many multiples before they will even be considered for HE
Sacred Heart is a long way from HE. First of all, with the pandemic throwing a monkey wrench into all school budgets, planning and capital projects, the new arena construction that was supposed to start this summer is on hold. I haven't heard a revised schedule and I'm sure all projects will be re-evaluated. Their team also had a great season, but it was their first winning slate after 9 consecutive losing seasons. Lastly, they play most of their games before friends and family crowds. They will need to build the new arena, establish themselves as a consistent contender in the AHA and increase their typical attendance by many multiples before they will even be considered for HE
Sol Diablo
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HC doesn't even have the money pay for travel to a scheduled game. They may not have the budget to remain D1.
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Holy Cross has quite a bit of money. Whether they choose to spend it on hockey is another matter. Despite having only about 1/2 as many students, CotHC, which has a long tradition in New England (pre-Flutie and the growth of big time athletics on Chestnut Hill it was the school of choice for NE male Catholics and BC was the fallback school), has about 4x the endowment of Sacred Heart ($600M+ versus $150M or so). That's what makes SHU's decision to spend $60M on a hockey rink, coming after many other major campus projects, so interesting. If they have a major sugar daddy bankrolling it they haven't announced it, so it seems like a major gamble on a sport that's been just a fringe element (playing in community rinks until recently) on their campus.
Holy Cross has quite a bit of money. Whether they choose to spend it on hockey is another matter. Despite having only about 1/2 as many students, CotHC, which has a long tradition in New England (pre-Flutie and the growth of big time athletics on Chestnut Hill it was the school of choice for NE male Catholics and BC was the fallback school), has about 4x the endowment of Sacred Heart ($600M+ versus $150M or so). That's what makes SHU's decision to spend $60M on a hockey rink, coming after many other major campus projects, so interesting. If they have a major sugar daddy bankrolling it they haven't announced it, so it seems like a major gamble on a sport that's been just a fringe element (playing in community rinks until recently) on their campus.
Split-N
All Hail
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Have to respectfully disagree. Notwithstanding potential COVID-19 impacts, HC absolutely has the money. Its endowment is ~$785 million, which places it fourth behind only BC, BU, and NU among HEA schools (HC is already a member on the women's side). Having resources and determining spending priorities are entirely different things. By contrast, SHU's endowment is ~$167 million. SHU might well be willing to spend more on athletics than HC but HC overall has significantly greater financial strength.
Of course, all things financial have been turned on their heads because of impacts from the current public health emergency. Nobody knows what the financial consequences will be...just that there will be consequences.
Have to respectfully disagree. Notwithstanding potential COVID-19 impacts, HC absolutely has the money. Its endowment is ~$785 million, which places it fourth behind only BC, BU, and NU among HEA schools (HC is already a member on the women's side). Having resources and determining spending priorities are entirely different things. By contrast, SHU's endowment is ~$167 million. SHU might well be willing to spend more on athletics than HC but HC overall has significantly greater financial strength.
Of course, all things financial have been turned on their heads because of impacts from the current public health emergency. Nobody knows what the financial consequences will be...just that there will be consequences.
TalonsUpPuckDown
Roll along you BG Warriors!
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It's quite a leap to go from "Too expensive right now to pay airfare for an OOC game," to "Program's getting shut down," dontcha think?
There has been talk on the Miami message board that flights to ECAC/HE OOC games should be curtailed to save money with those games going to midwestern bus trip schools. I don't think you're insinuating that Miami "may not have the budget to remain D1," are you?
I understand the frustration at how ASU is affected by all this, but the Alabama-Huntsville thread has some very good discussions regarding the risks associated with being both an independent and a geographic outlier.
It's quite a leap to go from "Too expensive right now to pay airfare for an OOC game," to "Program's getting shut down," dontcha think?
There has been talk on the Miami message board that flights to ECAC/HE OOC games should be curtailed to save money with those games going to midwestern bus trip schools. I don't think you're insinuating that Miami "may not have the budget to remain D1," are you?
I understand the frustration at how ASU is affected by all this, but the Alabama-Huntsville thread has some very good discussions regarding the risks associated with being both an independent and a geographic outlier.
Sol Diablo
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And I am probably wrong. However ASU has not cancelled any flights, nor games from their schedule, they are proceeding with the $120 million arena. So maybe HC's money is tied up in investments and endowments that only allow a low withdrawal rate, many times 4% is used ($31 million for HC based on the prior comment), and if their investment managers perceive that their markets won't rebound in a timely manner then more budget gets cut. Likely a low probability they would have to drop divisions but it is a crazy world right now.
And I am probably wrong. However ASU has not cancelled any flights, nor games from their schedule, they are proceeding with the $120 million arena. So maybe HC's money is tied up in investments and endowments that only allow a low withdrawal rate, many times 4% is used ($31 million for HC based on the prior comment), and if their investment managers perceive that their markets won't rebound in a timely manner then more budget gets cut. Likely a low probability they would have to drop divisions but it is a crazy world right now.
TalonsUpPuckDown
Roll along you BG Warriors!
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This was topic discussed over on the schedules thread; there may be more airlifted OOC series rescheduled. And, God forbid, if the dominoes do start falling, watch out ASU.
This was topic discussed over on the schedules thread; there may be more airlifted OOC series rescheduled. And, God forbid, if the dominoes do start falling, watch out ASU.
Sol Diablo
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And the craziness is that ASU plans to have students in class in the fall, sports to continue as scheduled, but if there are no home hockey games because other schools cancel their trips, and likewise Huntsville and the Alaska schools are in the same boat, it would be perceived to be unfair to the students of these schools. Then the administration has to ask themselves why spend the money if students can't benefit from it. They would be wondering if NCAA D1 hockey is truly a legitimate collegiate sport anymore. And I don't anticipate the NCAA willingly stepping into this mess to straighten it out, waiver things or ? , but they will probably have to if cancelling continues. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when the NCAA and colleges have some discussions. My guess is that the universitys' majority consensus will drive the NCAA as NCAA only seems to drive individual school issues?
And the craziness is that ASU plans to have students in class in the fall, sports to continue as scheduled, but if there are no home hockey games because other schools cancel their trips, and likewise Huntsville and the Alaska schools are in the same boat, it would be perceived to be unfair to the students of these schools. Then the administration has to ask themselves why spend the money if students can't benefit from it. They would be wondering if NCAA D1 hockey is truly a legitimate collegiate sport anymore. And I don't anticipate the NCAA willingly stepping into this mess to straighten it out, waiver things or ? , but they will probably have to if cancelling continues. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when the NCAA and colleges have some discussions. My guess is that the universitys' majority consensus will drive the NCAA as NCAA only seems to drive individual school issues?
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UncleRay
M-A-I-N-E, GooOOO, Blue!
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I just fell off my barstool laughing at that one! HC has always had visions of grandeur. They used to run their mouth about how they were as good as the Ivies. And touted their record in football against the Ivies. Then their league dropped schollies, and surprise, surprise, the Ivies started pounding HC in football.
Split-N
All Hail
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Not sure what you're laughing so hard about but in my memory span, HC was indeed on the national stage in both football and basketball (even won a natty in 1948) and rained on BC's parade on more than a few occasions. In fact, one of the reasons for the human carnage of the Coconut Grove fire of 1942 was so many HC fans celebrating an improbable 55-12 shellacking of BC that cost BC a Sugar Bowl bid. What's happened to HC athletics in recent decades is lamentable, to say the least.
BTW, I have no ties to Holy Cross. Just wouldn't mind seeing its athletic lot improve, especially in hockey.
Not sure what you're laughing so hard about but in my memory span, HC was indeed on the national stage in both football and basketball (even won a natty in 1948) and rained on BC's parade on more than a few occasions. In fact, one of the reasons for the human carnage of the Coconut Grove fire of 1942 was so many HC fans celebrating an improbable 55-12 shellacking of BC that cost BC a Sugar Bowl bid. What's happened to HC athletics in recent decades is lamentable, to say the least.
BTW, I have no ties to Holy Cross. Just wouldn't mind seeing its athletic lot improve, especially in hockey.
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St. Thomas still views Division I move as best long-term strategy
https://www.startribune.com/st-thom...-i-move-as-best-long-term-strategy/570692292/
St. Thomas still views Division I move as best long-term strategy
https://www.startribune.com/st-thom...-i-move-as-best-long-term-strategy/570692292/
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Not sure what you are laughing about. HC was the New England school of choice for Catholic males until BC left them in the dust by leveraging their emergence in sports (particularly the Flutie PR) to develop a national reputation while HC reduced the emphasis on sports. As a small school of 3,000 or so students, far smaller than even Dartmouth (the smallest Ivy), located on a hillside in Worcester that was probably an inevitable decision. As I remember it, their league didn't drop scholarships, they were founding members of a league of academically similar I-AA schools that chose not to offer scholarships (the Patriot League which was founded in the 80s as the Colonial League).
Not sure what you are laughing about. HC was the New England school of choice for Catholic males until BC left them in the dust by leveraging their emergence in sports (particularly the Flutie PR) to develop a national reputation while HC reduced the emphasis on sports. As a small school of 3,000 or so students, far smaller than even Dartmouth (the smallest Ivy), located on a hillside in Worcester that was probably an inevitable decision. As I remember it, their league didn't drop scholarships, they were founding members of a league of academically similar I-AA schools that chose not to offer scholarships (the Patriot League which was founded in the 80s as the Colonial League).
UncleRay
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BC had eclipsed HC long, long before Flutie was even considering where to attend college. I'll admit I don't know the details of what football conference they were in when, but the gist of my comment about schollies and the Ivies remains valid: they ran their mouths about beating up on the Ivies when they had schollies and the Ivies didn't, but when the footing was evened with HC not having schollies, the tables turned immediately .
BC had eclipsed HC long, long before Flutie was even considering where to attend college. I'll admit I don't know the details of what football conference they were in when, but the gist of my comment about schollies and the Ivies remains valid: they ran their mouths about beating up on the Ivies when they had schollies and the Ivies didn't, but when the footing was evened with HC not having schollies, the tables turned immediately .