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St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyond?

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

hockeyplayer1015 said:
How do you figure that?

Yann Denis of Brown lore made $600,000 in '12 and '13 combined (275k and then 325k.).
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Don't they pretty typically get good/decent signing bonuses as well? I seem to recall at some point that it was not that unusual for guys to get $500k+ signing bonuses, but then be playing for $50k per year in the minors - numbers could be off, but on that order. The signing bonus goes a long way toward that $1M total - and it frontloads it as well, which is not an insignificant factor.
 
LynahFan said:
Don't they pretty typically get good/decent signing bonuses as well? I seem to recall at some point that it was not that unusual for guys to get $500k+ signing bonuses, but then be playing for $50k per year in the minors - numbers could be off, but on that order. The signing bonus goes a long way toward that $1M total - and it frontloads it as well, which is not an insignificant factor.
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Well, I was tinkering with capgeek a bit, and Kyle Flanagan is making 70k this season, and got I believe around a 100k SB.

I'm not entirely sure just how usual SB's are these days, but I do remember some SB's in the 500k range as well. Could have been Dietrich and/or Gustafson.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
Well, I was tinkering with capgeek a bit, and Kyle Flanagan is making 70k this season, and got I believe around a 100k SB.

I'm not entirely sure just how usual SB's are these days, but I do remember some SB's in the 500k range as well. Could have been Dietrich and/or Gustafson.
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If my memory is correct, I believe that Dale Clark received around 850K SB when he graduated------
 
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critsports said:
Entirely possible. Re-reading all of these posts there is a funny pattern. Maybe it is a sub rosa agenda we all have that Spaceman a.k.a. Tayt touched upon. All of us SLU fans/alums want and feel Matt should stay. All of the visitors seem to support him grabbing the brass ring while he can. So maybe the real agenda is we SLU fans value and covet and will miss what another year or two of having Matt on the team will provide whille all you opponents are scared shi__less of what he could potentially do against your team and want him gone!!! Just throwing that out there!!! :eek:
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There's probably some truth to that. Doesn't matter what any of us think, but Matt is gone......I'll just say this - he's about as ready to play at the next level as any of us are ready to take his place in the lineup next season. I wish him well and thank him for his contributions this season. He is doing what he thinks is right, even though us older farts with more life-experience believe it's very likely wrong. Am jealous and just wish I had such options in my college days.
 
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bcarlisle said:
Maybe M. Carey just doesn't like going to school. He was a redshirt for ..er academic eligibility reasons. He's 22 and looking at waking up for classes until he's 25. That might easily cause me to take a fat check to give my dream a shot. It must take an average graduate 10-15 years to gross a total of $1 million. It sucks as a fan but its hard to blame him although i would not want anything to do with trying to crack the Blackhawks lineup as a goal scorer.
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Yeah, I wonder the same thing, but, keep in mind he sat out last year so academically he is a Sophomore and he did get a 3.5 last year from what I recall. The Carey's are smart boys. The issue was more to do with him blowing off the end of secondary school. So, he could stay two more years, have his degree and be much more ready. If he is a hard worker and can get into investment banking like a lot of the other hockey alums, he can make that much more quickly than playing in the AHL.

Brandon, I did not know Yann Danis made that much in the AHL but it's much different for goalies. HE could get a sizable signing bonus but would be stunned if he were to make over about $100K in the AHL and my own guess is if he has not signed its because he wants a 2 way contract for NHL/AHL, not a contract that has him in the ECHL where you now only won't make that but CAN'T make that from what I recall. There are limits on payroll in that league that works out to something like $500-$1000 a week during the season max. I am too far away to remember the details, but pretty much at any other level than the NHL you are playing because you love the game not because you are getting rich.

As for LynahFan, if Kent Manderville, Dan Ratushny or whatever his first name Hughes was from Lac St. Louis who, two of which at least, were high draft picks and had great size, speed, etc. can't leave early and make it to the show, that's an argument for those of us on here saying don't go. Ratushny had a decent career, but even SLU Alum bro Jamie Rivers tweeted TJ Oshie last night saying "Enjoy it, because in our business it goes by fast."
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
Well, I was tinkering with capgeek a bit, and Kyle Flanagan is making 70k this season, and got I believe around a 100k SB.

I'm not entirely sure just how usual SB's are these days, but I do remember some SB's in the 500k range as well. Could have been Dietrich and/or Gustafson.
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Actually, I think one or both of those guys it was in the $900K SB range. And Gusty didn't want to go to class....or anywhere other than the cafeteria! :-)
 
bcarlisle said:
Maybe M. Carey just doesn't like going to school. He was a redshirt for ..er academic eligibility reasons. He's 22 and looking at waking up for classes until he's 25. That might easily cause me to take a fat check to give my dream a shot. It must take an average graduate 10-15 years to gross a total of $1 million. It sucks as a fan but its hard to blame him although i would not want anything to do with trying to crack the Blackhawks lineup as a goal scorer.
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Ding, ding, ding. "Older" frosh who are late bloomers and perform well out of the gate, this is what happens. You say Matt is a freshman, but he's the same age as most college seniors and probably soph/junior when compared to the typical NCAA hockey player.

I can't comment on his readiness and his chances of success, but as a 22yr old who likely parked himself in jrs for 2-3 yrs in order to play college hockey, I think the decision to turn pro early is self-evident, no?
 
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Spaceman said:
"Greg Carey and younger brother Matt Carey, who have both left St. Lawrence University to test the waters of the free agent market, each appeared to be close to signing with an National Hockey League team, as of Tuesday evening." - http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20140319/SPORTS03/703199945
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Well, here's the silver lining, a full boat just opened up for someone that really wants it. Maybe we can get one of the decommits from Harvard like Fortunato. We now desperately need goal scorers. Ward, Horn, Pritchard, Smolcynski and Martin can start to fill that gap but losing Matt stings. The only guy back now from our 1st PP unit is Bayreuther. If he leaves, we will go from very bright future to oh **** in 5 seconds. Bayreuther, IMHO, is more ready than Matt and is 3-4 years younger.

Big Al, I think Peca was close to going to SLU. Kids like that are rare, but I commend him. That is a great attitude and perspective from a young guy. There are a lot of great parents out there too like Wick's parents that make sure their kids keep their heads on straight. I hope I am not right and that his leaving is a good decision. I never thought Bollig would be a regular in Chicago, but he is. Bollig made the right choice. But, I still think I am right about Matt.
 
Got 6 said:
Well, here's the silver lining, a full boat just opened up for someone that really wants it. Maybe we can get one of the decommits from Harvard like Fortunato. We now desperately need goal scorers. Ward, Horn, Pritchard, Smolcynski and Martin can start to fill that gap but losing Matt stings. The only guy back now from our 1st PP unit is Bayreuther. If he leaves, we will go from very bright future to oh **** in 5 seconds. Bayreuther, IMHO, is more ready than Matt and is 3-4 years younger.

Big Al, I think Peca was close to going to SLU. Kids like that are rare, but I commend him. That is a great attitude and perspective from a young guy. There are a lot of great parents out there too like Wick's parents that make sure their kids keep their heads on straight. I hope I am not right and that his leaving is a good decision. I never thought Bollig would be a regular in Chicago, but he is. Bollig made the right choice. But, I still think I am right about Matt.
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Well safe to say I'm happy he chose Q. He's a special player
 
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Got 6 said:
As for LynahFan, if Kent Manderville, Dan Ratushny or whatever his first name Hughes was from Lac St. Louis who, two of which at least, were high draft picks and had great size, speed, etc. can't leave early and make it to the show, that's an argument for those of us on here saying don't go.
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Ryan Hughes. I could hold up just as many examples of even higher draft picks who DID stay in school and still didn't make it to the show and another long list who left early and DID make it to the show, so I don't think that's as strong of an argument as you seem to think. If most of the 1st and 2nd round player who stayed in school made it and very few of the ones who left early did, then you'd be on to something. The reality is that relatively few college players make it regardless of whether they stay in school; if there's a benefit to staying in school, it's marginal at best* - probably less important than which organization signs you, what coach happens to be head of your minor league team, what injuries happen to occur ahead of you on the depth chart, etc.

*A college coach's job is to win games and titles (and extract alumni donations), not to develop players for the NHL. If he thinks his best chance to win today is with you riding the pine, you'll be riding the pine. Getting players ready for the NHL is a key part of an AHL coach's job - does anyone really care who wins the Calder Cup? I really don't buy the argument that players develop more rapidly in college (where practice time is limited by the NCAA, they have to go to class, etc) than when they can really focus full time on hockey.
 
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LynahFan said:
Ryan Hughes. I could hold up just as many examples of even higher draft picks who DID stay in school and still didn't make it to the show and another long list who left early and DID make it to the show, so I don't think that's as strong of an argument as you seem to think. If most of the 1st and 2nd round player who stayed in school made it and very few of the ones who left early did, then you'd be on to something. The reality is that relatively few college players make it regardless of whether they stay in school; if there's a benefit to staying in school, it's marginal at best* - probably less important than which organization signs you, what coach happens to be head of your minor league team, what injuries happen to occur ahead of you on the depth chart, etc.

*A college coach's job is to win games and titles (and extract alumni donations), not to develop players for the NHL. If he thinks his best chance to win today is with you riding the pine, you'll be riding the pine. Getting players ready for the NHL is a key part of an AHL coach's job - does anyone really care who wins the Calder Cup? I really don't buy the argument that players develop more rapidly in college (where practice time is limited by the NCAA, they have to go to class, etc) than when they can really focus full time on hockey.
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Yes, making or not making it is heavily dependent on timing, circumstances and a lot of other factors. I'd say, many if not most of the best players I have seen in NCAA have not made it.

I disagree with the second paragraph. If a player is not good enough to help a team and be in the lineup every night the last thing they should be worried about is their pro hockey career. At some time, EVERY hockey player gets told it's time to hang them up. It's a matter of when and where. Even a lot of HOF's don't get to decide when they retire. They are told either by not getting playing time, getting injured, etc. Further, it is the goal of the AHL coach to win. Some AHL franchises are tidy little profit centers. Granted their job is hard and they are at the whims of the parent club who can swipe the core of your roster at any moment, but winning games and filling the place is important. Some franchises like Manchester and Hershey in particular do quite well. If an AHL coach doesn't like a kid or doesn't want to develop him and work with him, that kid is traded, shipped down, or cut. At least two of those options are not available to college coaches. Pro hockey is a business and players are a commodity, Period. No kid playing pro hockey is going to get 2nd and 3rd chances, and be treated like extended family the way kids were with Joe Marsh as the coach and I am sure the way Carvy treats his players. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree and alarmed at the message coming from you Cornell guys. Listening to you, why should any kid play college hockey? What's the benefit? Especially at the Ivies where there are no (cough, cough) scholarships?!?!
 
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LynahFan said:
Ryan Hughes. I could hold up just as many examples of even higher draft picks who DID stay in school and still didn't make it to the show and another long list who left early and DID make it to the show, so I don't think that's as strong of an argument as you seem to think. If most of the 1st and 2nd round player who stayed in school made it and very few of the ones who left early did, then you'd be on to something. The reality is that relatively few college players make it regardless of whether they stay in school; if there's a benefit to staying in school, it's marginal at best* - probably less important than which organization signs you, what coach happens to be head of your minor league team, what injuries happen to occur ahead of you on the depth chart, etc.

*A college coach's job is to win games and titles (and extract alumni donations), not to develop players for the NHL. If he thinks his best chance to win today is with you riding the pine, you'll be riding the pine. Getting players ready for the NHL is a key part of an AHL coach's job - does anyone really care who wins the Calder Cup? I really don't buy the argument that players develop more rapidly in college (where practice time is limited by the NCAA, they have to go to class, etc) than when they can really focus full time on hockey.
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Also, in this day and age, if your first and second rounders don't make it, there is going to be turnover in the front office. You can't miss on guys that high. Rick DiPietro and Brian Lawton are major busts. No organization can afford to miss in that area of the draft anymore.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

The NHL Network is reporting that Rich Peverley underwent successful surgery today. This is fantastic news, and everybody wishes Rich a speedy recovery.
 
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Greg Carey to the coyotes. No word on Matt
 
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Looks like Greg signed a similar contract as Jeremy Welsh did with Union. If Greg plays a single game with the Coyotes before the end of the 2013-2014 season, he burns his ELC and is able to negotiate a higher contract next season without the ELC restrictions. Greg's contract for next season will likely be guaranteed money, where even if he ends up in the AHL he will be receiving the entire value of the contract.
 
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