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So you want to start up a D1 team

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I have kicked that idea out before. Get College Hockey Inc. to get all the alumni groups of all the various college hockey teams together so that they can pool their money together to start up endowments for at other schools where Hockey would be a good fit at. Basically, if everybody just pooled together just one percent of all the money that the booster clubs give to their schools, like Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Denver, BC, ect.... That would be more than enough money to start up an endowment at about any school where College Hockey would be a natural fit at. So, you give a school like say Syracuse a $25,000 endowment for the developement and funding of a College Hockey program, and I would write it so that it could be for both men's and women's hockey as well. You then give some of the smaller backers of the idea at the school there a place to put their money where their mouths are at. And College Hockey Inc. could help to work with any groups there to help them drum up support, perhaps even kicking in $2000 every year if they can at least get $5000 into it. Until the school athletic department get serious about it, they can't touch that money, so the pot will just grow and grow. Sooner or later you do that at enough schools long enough, schools would be looking at that pot and have a good little nest egg to hopefully fund a program for a bit until it gets its legs under them.
You're pretty seriously underestimating the size of the endowment that would be needed to fund a hockey program. Most endowments only disburse ~5% of the endowment each year, so a $200k hockey program (definitely on the light end when you include the coachs' salaries) would require a $4M endowment, not $25k. With the 5% rule, a $25k endowment would yield $1250 per year, which will buy you about 6 hockey sticks.
 
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Heck, AIC and Bentley are NE10 members; they might consider dropping down if they could still compete for a title.

Dunno if they would or not, but I bet they'd consider it.


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It's not dropping down, per se, for AIC or Bentley. They're D2 in all sports but hockey.

Out west, what about the GLIAC?? Remember the GLIAC and NE10 have standing with the NCAA - all the hockey conferences do not. It give hockey clout at the dinner table.
 
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

It's not dropping down, per se, for AIC or Bentley. They're D2 in all sports but hockey.

Out west, what about the GLIAC?? Remember the GLIAC and NE10 have standing with the NCAA - all the hockey conferences do not. It give hockey clout at the dinner table.

I don't see any of the current GLIAC schools with hockey (MTU, NMU, LSSU and Ferris) dropping to D-2 level. Hockey is their prestige sport - between the four, they have seven National Championships, and at Tech and Northern at least, the sport is a moneymaker. For the other GLIAC schools, even if all 6 without hockey agreed to start programs simultaneously, they'd be interested in competing on the same level as their GLIAC counterparts, and would see about forming a D-1 conference (perhaps with Western Michigan leading the effort) to serve as a home.
 
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

You're pretty seriously underestimating the size of the endowment that would be needed to fund a hockey program. Most endowments only disburse ~5% of the endowment each year, so a $200k hockey program (definitely on the light end when you include the coachs' salaries) would require a $4M endowment, not $25k. With the 5% rule, a $25k endowment would yield $1250 per year, which will buy you about 6 hockey sticks.
I know that it would take more money to build up an endowment that would be big enough to totally fund a whole hockey program by itself. But if we have those endowments, they would be great collection points for those that believe College Hockey should be at those schools. It would give those crazy souls out there that want Hockey at places like Colorado State, North Dakota State, Syracuse and elsewhere a place to put their money where their mouth is, where the club team can hold fundraisers so that they can contribute a little, and have the Donors that want to see Hockey there add to it without having to go thru all of the hassle of personally starting up an endowment themselves to do it, as I believe you gotta have at least $5000 up front to put into it to even get one going, minimum. Its not going to be an immediate thing to say hey, here's some money, have a Rink and a team by 2020, its more or less pushing a snowball down a hill, and seeing where it goes.

I don't see any of the current GLIAC schools with hockey (MTU, NMU, LSSU and Ferris) dropping to D-2 level. Hockey is their prestige sport - between the four, they have seven National Championships, and at Tech and Northern at least, the sport is a moneymaker. For the other GLIAC schools, even if all 6 without hockey agreed to start programs simultaneously, they'd be interested in competing on the same level as their GLIAC counterparts, and would see about forming a D-1 conference (perhaps with Western Michigan leading the effort) to serve as a home.

Yeah, Personally if Grand Valley started up hockey, they're going to want to be in the thick of it with Ferris and Western. Ferris would go kicking and screaming if their hockey team was going to be sent down to a D2 League, the same for any of the Yooper Schools. Saginaw Valley is GV's Little Brother and would want to be where ever GV is. Wayne State could probably bring back men's hockey if they ever get that On campus arena that they want. But for the rest of the GLIAC, eh, I'm not really seeing them wanting to hop onto the Hockey bus right now unless they fall into an Ore Boat full of money. Northwood and Hillsdale, both small Michigan private schools. Northwood might be able to work out a deal with Midland High for a joint use arena, but eh, not an optimal arrangement right there from the start of thing. Hillsdale might have the money, but would probably struggle to attract good players there right away.

FYI, LSSU's Football team, University of Indianapolis, is moving their football team out of the GLIAC in 2 years I believe because their main conference has finally got off the pot about adding football as well. While they did just luck into some more money by being named the NFC practice site for the Superbowl in 2012, where the NFL is going to pay out extra for a few more modifications to be made to make their new indoor practice facilities more nicer and user friendly, I'm not sure I would really see them as being that gung ho about adding Hockey there right now.

As for the Ohio GLIAC schools, Findlay's tried it already, and is turning their Ice Arena into a swimming pool or something that would mean no more Ice there I believe. Ashland might just be crazy enough to sign off on this idea, but I wouldn't hold my breath about it as they're crazy about their football team. :rolleyes: And for the Newbies to the League, Tiffin, Lake Erie and Ohio Dominican???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! and lets leave it at that.
 
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I don't see any of the current GLIAC schools with hockey (MTU, NMU, LSSU and Ferris) dropping to D-2 level. Hockey is their prestige sport - between the four, they have seven National Championships, and at Tech and Northern at least, the sport is a moneymaker. For the other GLIAC schools, even if all 6 without hockey agreed to start programs simultaneously, they'd be interested in competing on the same level as their GLIAC counterparts, and would see about forming a D-1 conference (perhaps with Western Michigan leading the effort) to serve as a home.

The GLIAC could always beg for Mercyhurst back ;)

Northern released something a few weeks ago that they would evaluate the sports that dont make money and subtract those while adding new "cheaper" sports. On the chopping block for sure is Swimming and Diving, leaky pool and all. I believe they have one home meet and its a scrimmage. Plus they arent very good. Northern is looking to add track and field (Mens I believe), and Softball...which by all accounts would be played at the dome which is less than regulation size when transformed into a ballfield. A little off base here but I want them to add the second half of our ski team so we can actually win NCAA titles. A few years ago Northern finished 1-2-3 in one half of the nationals (not sure which half it was) but since we didnt have the other half of the team we ended up finishing 5th or 6th overall I believe.
 
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

It's not dropping down, per se, for AIC or Bentley. They're D2 in all sports but hockey.

I know -- note that I mentioned they were members of the Northeast Ten, which is a D-II league. Regardless, they'd be dropping their hockey programs down from D-I to D-II.


Powers &8^]
 
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

I know -- note that I mentioned they were members of the Northeast Ten, which is a D-II league. Regardless, they'd be dropping their hockey programs down from D-I to D-II.


Powers &8^]
Yeah, but are you going to get Merrimack and Umass-Lowell to willingly leave Hockey East to this D-II league?? I imagine they'll go Kicking and Screaming.
 
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

Yeah, but are you going to get Merrimack and Umass-Lowell to willingly leave Hockey East to this D-II league?? I imagine they'll go Kicking and Screaming.
They won't, but AIC and Bentley may leave AHA.

And you only need 6 for an AQ. :D
 
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Yeah, just like D3 teams that everyone in the top 4 conferences thought didn't belong... sure, ok...

Currently, RIT is the only D-III in a non-Big-4 conference. And they are there by choice and have always intended on belonging.
 
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Currently, RIT is the only D-III in a non-Big-4 conference. And they are there by choice and have always intended on belonging.

I dont know the Big 4 in D-III, but I believe Colorado College is D-III as well.

Some traditional CCHA powers is D-II in everything but hockey. (NMU, LSSU, Ferris, UNO). Im not sure what Alaska is outside of hockey. If for some reason the CCHA became the Big Ten (adding the other WCHA schools) and the Michigan schools were kicked out, I believe they'd look to the addition/expansion of other programs in Michigan before dropping down. (Central Michigan, Grand Valley, Wayne State and Michigan Tech).
 
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I dont know the Big 4 in D-III, but I believe Colorado College is D-III as well.

Some traditional CCHA powers is D-II in everything but hockey. (NMU, LSSU, Ferris, UNO). Im not sure what Alaska is outside of hockey. If for some reason the CCHA became the Big Ten (adding the other WCHA schools) and the Michigan schools were kicked out, I believe they'd look to the addition/expansion of other programs in Michigan before dropping down. (Central Michigan, Grand Valley, Wayne State and Michigan Tech).

At least 4 schools of the ECAC are D-III; All the ivies and Colgate are D-I, but I do not know about Quinnipiac's standing. We'd certainly kick and scream if we were forced to move down. Heck, our women's team just recently moved up!
 
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At least 4 schools of the ECAC are D-III; All the ivies and Colgate are D-I, but I do not know about Quinnipiac's standing. We'd certainly kick and scream if we were forced to move down. Heck, our women's team just recently moved up!
Gang

Look at the women's National Collegiate Tournament (please!!). That encompasses all the D1 and D2 schools. In the D1 mix are Clarkson, St. Lawrence, RPI, and Union. They were not "forced" down to D-III. They choose to play @ D1 and are currently included as are St. Anselm and St. Michael's - D-II schools that play in D-III leagues because there is no place for them to play. If you look @ the women's RPI, St. A's and St. Mike's are listed, but since they don't play enough games against D-I teams, they don't get selected for the tournament.

I would assume that the current 6 men's D-III play-ups would continue in D-I until the economics of fielding a D-1 (or 2 D-1) programs forces them to drop down. However, at the men's D-II level there are sufficient "unattached" D-II teams to make an AQ conference.

Edit: Quinny is D-I in all sports. The Alaska's are NCAA D-II.
 
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Also remember, that any D-3 (and I believe D-2) school wishing to move up to D-1 are allowed one "showcase" team (mens and women) to play D-1 but can offer no scholarships for those players. I believe RIT was the last school to make that jump, but its a moot point in the AHA and scholarships. Colorado College was grandfathered in.
 
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

Also remember, that any D-3 (and I believe D-2) school wishing to move up to D-1 are allowed one "showcase" team (mens and women) to play D-1 but can offer no scholarships for those players. I believe RIT was the last school to make that jump, but its a moot point in the AHA and scholarships. Colorado College was grandfathered in.

I believe the rule would allow the D2 schools that moved a program up to D1, they would be allowed to have full scholorships. That might actually be more of a D3 rule to try to keep some of the bigger names from moving up a select sport for a money grab. If a school like RIT was to move the rest of their sports department up to D2, then they would be able to give out scholorships to their hockey team.
 
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

I believe the rule would allow the D2 schools that moved a program up to D1, they would be allowed to have full scholorships. That might actually be more of a D3 rule to try to keep some of the bigger names from moving up a select sport for a money grab. If a school like RIT was to move the rest of their sports department up to D2, then they would be able to give out scholorships to their hockey team.

Proposal 65-1, the amended legislation co-sponsored by Colorado College, Clarkson University, Hartwick College, the Johns Hopkins University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Rutgers University-Newark, St. Lawrence University, and SUNY Oneonta.[25][26] Each school affected by this debate is allowed to grant financial aid to student-athletes who compete in Division I programs in one men's sport and one women's sport. It is still permitted for other schools to place one men's and one women's sport in Division I going forward, but they cannot offer scholarships without bringing the whole program into compliance with Division I rules.

Thats from Wiki...so take it for what its worth. Sounds about right.
 
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Proposal 65-1, the amended legislation co-sponsored by Colorado College, Clarkson University, Hartwick College, the Johns Hopkins University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Rutgers University-Newark, St. Lawrence University, and SUNY Oneonta.[25][26] Each school affected by this debate is allowed to grant financial aid to student-athletes who compete in Division I programs in one men's sport and one women's sport. It is still permitted for other schools to place one men's and one women's sport in Division I going forward, but they cannot offer scholarships without bringing the whole program into compliance with Division I rules.

Thats from Wiki...so take it for what its worth. Sounds about right.

Thanks; I've always wondered why Union College doesn't offer scholarships to the D-I hockey players, and now I know why. That is, if Wikipedia is telling the truth; I won't repeat the relatively new saying here.
 
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even tulane?

My uncle actually coached the Tulane hockey team (or what it was at that point, since it hardly could have counted as a team) in the early 90s when he was a student there (he didn't want to bring his gear down from NY, so he just brought his skates and coached). He said they had to drive to Alabama for a rink.
 
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My uncle actually coached the Tulane hockey team (or what it was at that point, since it hardly could have counted as a team) in the early 90s when he was a student there (he didn't want to bring his gear down from NY, so he just brought his skates and coached). He said they had to drive to Alabama for a rink.

Sounds like someone could possibly make alot of money if they opened up a rink in New Orleans.
 
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