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So you want to start up a D1 team
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Happy
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Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
actually, the best way for title 9 is to add to, or start either women's track or women's crew. either one is cheaper to run, and all you really need to do is add the same number of womens' scholarships as you have added to the men's hockeys team. it's a burden the liberals have added to men's college sports, but in the end, all that is needed is an equal number of scholarships, not a women's team in the same or similar sport.
actually, the best way for title 9 is to add to, or start either women's track or women's crew. either one is cheaper to run, and all you really need to do is add the same number of womens' scholarships as you have added to the men's hockeys team. it's a burden the liberals have added to men's college sports, but in the end, all that is needed is an equal number of scholarships, not a women's team in the same or similar sport.
redhawkman10
Behind the bench
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
If were going to start a new conference, why not start the Pac 10 conference? To my knowledge all of the conference have club teams and have a D II pac 8 conference. Arizona st. has a very solid and competitive D I club team. You could add the two alaska schools and form a solid 12 team conference. The WHL is very prominent in the northwest so no doubt college hockey can work, plus there are some very very good players coming out of california.
Outside of that, I like the idea of Iowa St. or Colorado or Colorado st.. Even the University of Illinois who has a very solid D I club team. If a Pac 10 conference is started and the alaskan schools join it, taking Illinois and Iowa st. to the D I level to fill the vancancies left joined by either Penn St. or Ohio univeristy to make the CCHA 12 teams and keep the WCHA at 12 teams would add big budget universities and names to each conference.
I agree a 5 year plan would need to be in place with a head coach around for a min of 2 years and a full staff 1 year out. Fundraising and arena's should be started about 5 years out to make sure the program gets off on the right foot.
As far as title IX I have no idea how that would work.
If were going to start a new conference, why not start the Pac 10 conference? To my knowledge all of the conference have club teams and have a D II pac 8 conference. Arizona st. has a very solid and competitive D I club team. You could add the two alaska schools and form a solid 12 team conference. The WHL is very prominent in the northwest so no doubt college hockey can work, plus there are some very very good players coming out of california.
Outside of that, I like the idea of Iowa St. or Colorado or Colorado st.. Even the University of Illinois who has a very solid D I club team. If a Pac 10 conference is started and the alaskan schools join it, taking Illinois and Iowa st. to the D I level to fill the vancancies left joined by either Penn St. or Ohio univeristy to make the CCHA 12 teams and keep the WCHA at 12 teams would add big budget universities and names to each conference.
I agree a 5 year plan would need to be in place with a head coach around for a min of 2 years and a full staff 1 year out. Fundraising and arena's should be started about 5 years out to make sure the program gets off on the right foot.
As far as title IX I have no idea how that would work.
Flashy Man
Misfit Emeritus
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
This thread may help your interests.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=85164
This thread may help your interests.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=85164
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but here's my idea: Georgetown and/or American University. Both have lots of nearby alumni in D.C, and hockey in the D.C area is the highest it's ever been. If now was ever a time to start hockey there, now would be it.
You could then add a team in the University of Maryland, and if you add Penn State and UPenn, throw in a team like Rutgers or Delaware, you'd have the makings of a new conference.
EDIT- looking at the above link, you could conceivably add Navy and Liberty University to that conference, as both have on campus ice rinks. You could even start an Army-Navy hockey rivalry.
Another radical idea would be to look at the South. There's some homegrown talent there, and there's a lot of schools down there with large numbers of sports fans and alumni, and they would likely have the necessary money to make it possible. I'd imagine the NHL would be enthused about this, since it might have a carry-over effect onto the struggling Southeastern Conference, giving them more backyard talent to scout.
Probably unlikely, but why not dream?
I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but here's my idea: Georgetown and/or American University. Both have lots of nearby alumni in D.C, and hockey in the D.C area is the highest it's ever been. If now was ever a time to start hockey there, now would be it.
You could then add a team in the University of Maryland, and if you add Penn State and UPenn, throw in a team like Rutgers or Delaware, you'd have the makings of a new conference.
EDIT- looking at the above link, you could conceivably add Navy and Liberty University to that conference, as both have on campus ice rinks. You could even start an Army-Navy hockey rivalry.
Another radical idea would be to look at the South. There's some homegrown talent there, and there's a lot of schools down there with large numbers of sports fans and alumni, and they would likely have the necessary money to make it possible. I'd imagine the NHL would be enthused about this, since it might have a carry-over effect onto the struggling Southeastern Conference, giving them more backyard talent to scout.
Probably unlikely, but why not dream?
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Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
That Navy rink looks pretty nice- fill in the one side, and partials up the ends, and it would looke right at home in the CCHA.
That Navy rink looks pretty nice- fill in the one side, and partials up the ends, and it would looke right at home in the CCHA.
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Good point- I was thinking about some rivalry or special game in Chicago- which wouldn't be a big deal.
It's not like MSU or UM suffer for lack of coverage here in SE MI- neither get much notice, and both do quite well on the College scale.
Good point- I was thinking about some rivalry or special game in Chicago- which wouldn't be a big deal.
It's not like MSU or UM suffer for lack of coverage here in SE MI- neither get much notice, and both do quite well on the College scale.
sterlippo1
Well-known member
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
never understood why Syracuse doesn't have a D1 hockey program...........
Puck Swami
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Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Starting hockey programs at any Eastern or Midwestern school is incremental growth, since the game is already well established there.
College sports support is the largest in the American South. Even though hockey isn't very popular there, the moment some big SEC or Texas school starts a hockey program at the varsity level and is playing for keeps, it won't be long before the other big southern schools try to match.
I'd be targeting schools like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee.
Starting hockey programs at any Eastern or Midwestern school is incremental growth, since the game is already well established there.
College sports support is the largest in the American South. Even though hockey isn't very popular there, the moment some big SEC or Texas school starts a hockey program at the varsity level and is playing for keeps, it won't be long before the other big southern schools try to match.
I'd be targeting schools like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
They do http://www.uscho.com/w/syracuse-orange/womens-college-hockey/team,su.html.
They do http://www.uscho.com/w/syracuse-orange/womens-college-hockey/team,su.html.
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Gang
Wonderful ideas, but Division 1 is effectively closed to expansion unless you start a new conference.
WCHA - 12 teams
CCHA - 11 teams (1 independent waiting)
ECAC - 12 teams
AHA - 12 teams
HEA - 10 teams
Unless you start a 6th conference and stock it with existing established teams, you're playing independent.
But, just for the sake of expansion, you could do this:
Eastern Expansion:
AHA subract UConn, add Navy (stay @ 12)
HEA add Penn State add UConn (up to 12 and has all the cow colleges in the east except Cornell). All the Eastern conferences are now full.
Western Expansion:
None. No room.
Gang
Wonderful ideas, but Division 1 is effectively closed to expansion unless you start a new conference.
WCHA - 12 teams
CCHA - 11 teams (1 independent waiting)
ECAC - 12 teams
AHA - 12 teams
HEA - 10 teams
Unless you start a 6th conference and stock it with existing established teams, you're playing independent.
But, just for the sake of expansion, you could do this:
Eastern Expansion:
AHA subract UConn, add Navy (stay @ 12)
HEA add Penn State add UConn (up to 12 and has all the cow colleges in the east except Cornell). All the Eastern conferences are now full.
Western Expansion:
None. No room.
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Come on- this is just like Hollywood- just enough reality to make it credible, but not enough to make it real.
We are all dreaming.
It's kind of a "whoes got a cool rink, reputation (or NOT, specifically, and wants it), and if there was a bag of money- what would you do?" kind of thread.
Come on- this is just like Hollywood- just enough reality to make it credible, but not enough to make it real.
We are all dreaming.
It's kind of a "whoes got a cool rink, reputation (or NOT, specifically, and wants it), and if there was a bag of money- what would you do?" kind of thread.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
The WHL works in the Northwest because they can sell beer and have fighting and it's relatively cheap to operate a CHL team. But I agree, having college hockey teams in the Northwest would be great, especially from UAA/UAF perspective.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Navy: Just effing get it done already!
I'd love to see the Flames of UIC back in action.
Navy: Just effing get it done already!
I'd love to see the Flames of UIC back in action.
Beer Pong Horn
soldier of fortune
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Ok, lots of good ideas:
-Navy
-Syracuse
-Kentucky
-Illinois (both Chicago and Urbana-Champaign)
-Penn State
-(Pac-10 schools)
-Iowa State
-Colorado
-Colorado State
-(SEC schools)
-Northwestern
-Georgetown and/or American University
-Liberty
-Marquette
-Pennsylvania
-Rhode Island
-South Dakota
-DePaul
-St. Louis U
So - why should their athletic departments support <s>a</s> two (men's and women's) D-1 hockey programs? Hockey's a marginal sport in most of this country, and lacrosse (a similarly fast-paced sport) has a lot fewer barriers to entry. Of course we know why we love hockey, but we're not presenting any good arguments for a school to shell out $50M plus another $40M for an arena.
Ok, lots of good ideas:
-Navy
-Syracuse
-Kentucky
-Illinois (both Chicago and Urbana-Champaign)
-Penn State
-(Pac-10 schools)
-Iowa State
-Colorado
-Colorado State
-(SEC schools)
-Northwestern
-Georgetown and/or American University
-Liberty
-Marquette
-Pennsylvania
-Rhode Island
-South Dakota
-DePaul
-St. Louis U
So - why should their athletic departments support <s>a</s> two (men's and women's) D-1 hockey programs? Hockey's a marginal sport in most of this country, and lacrosse (a similarly fast-paced sport) has a lot fewer barriers to entry. Of course we know why we love hockey, but we're not presenting any good arguments for a school to shell out $50M plus another $40M for an arena.
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yankeefn01
my cats breath smells like cat food
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Syracuse University having a D1 team would be really nice, but Title IX is going to prevent that for a while
Syracuse University having a D1 team would be really nice, but Title IX is going to prevent that for a while
redhawkman10
Behind the bench
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Well Tennessee has a solid club tradition as does Kentucky. If both could go together that would be huge along your lines. Their is a SEC club hockey conference and florida gulf coast has two club teams so enough interest down in that part of florida and talent to play at the levels they are. I think you hit the nail that southern schools are the way to go. Carolina has a very good AAA program in Raleigh. I know Kennesaw St. looked at it a few years back so its a route that should be explored more, especially with the FF in Tampa in 2 years.
Well Tennessee has a solid club tradition as does Kentucky. If both could go together that would be huge along your lines. Their is a SEC club hockey conference and florida gulf coast has two club teams so enough interest down in that part of florida and talent to play at the levels they are. I think you hit the nail that southern schools are the way to go. Carolina has a very good AAA program in Raleigh. I know Kennesaw St. looked at it a few years back so its a route that should be explored more, especially with the FF in Tampa in 2 years.
SCSU Euro
New member
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Are you kidding me? Spoiled Eastern schools... ask the Colorado and Alaska schools how sympathetic they'd be to Penn State.
As for my vote, put a notch down in the Iowa State column.
Are you kidding me? Spoiled Eastern schools... ask the Colorado and Alaska schools how sympathetic they'd be to Penn State.
As for my vote, put a notch down in the Iowa State column.
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
The McMullen Ice Arena was built with the potential of Navy going D-1. Right now it only has temporary bleachers, but there is the room to build bowl seating that IIRC would seat about 4000.
Same for Liberty's arena, but the seating there is rather odd. However, they pack the place and already have a pipeline to recruits in Canada, especially in Ontario.
The McMullen Ice Arena was built with the potential of Navy going D-1. Right now it only has temporary bleachers, but there is the room to build bowl seating that IIRC would seat about 4000.
Same for Liberty's arena, but the seating there is rather odd. However, they pack the place and already have a pipeline to recruits in Canada, especially in Ontario.
Re: So you want to start up a D1 team
Rutgers. They have alot more money coming in now because of the football stadium renovations. Plus might be getting alot more money if they do the conference switch. They are looking into getting the RAC either renovated or replaced so either way they could adjust it and put in a rink (the original RAC plans actually called for a rink). They also have alumni who have stated in the past they will donate a large amount of money to start a program.
Florida or Texas. Two of the most profitable college programs in the country. They also have large student bodies that could support it. If either one added a team it could cause another school to add one as well. Throw in the fact that they would likely invite UAH into the new conference and might be able to convince Navy to set up shop and you could have the SEHC.
USC- They have the money and might convice another PAC-10/western school to jump on board. Throw in the two BC schools that want to join the NCAA the Alaska schools and a few others such as Boise St or Oregon (Nike U) and you could have a power conference. The distance between teams would be large but that hasnt hurt the PAC-10 for basketball.
Rutgers. They have alot more money coming in now because of the football stadium renovations. Plus might be getting alot more money if they do the conference switch. They are looking into getting the RAC either renovated or replaced so either way they could adjust it and put in a rink (the original RAC plans actually called for a rink). They also have alumni who have stated in the past they will donate a large amount of money to start a program.
Florida or Texas. Two of the most profitable college programs in the country. They also have large student bodies that could support it. If either one added a team it could cause another school to add one as well. Throw in the fact that they would likely invite UAH into the new conference and might be able to convince Navy to set up shop and you could have the SEHC.
USC- They have the money and might convice another PAC-10/western school to jump on board. Throw in the two BC schools that want to join the NCAA the Alaska schools and a few others such as Boise St or Oregon (Nike U) and you could have a power conference. The distance between teams would be large but that hasnt hurt the PAC-10 for basketball.