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SNC Off Season Thread
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Re: SNC Off Season Thread
The complete ignorance of how things work in this day and age of Division 3 athletics is astounding. The NCAA audits every single school's athletic financial aid and matches it against the general student body. If it doesn't fall within a certain range (3-5 percent) I think, then as Ricky Ricardo used to say: "Someone has some 'splanin to do." As someone has pointed out, several schools have gotten rung up already and the NCAA has been auditing for several years now. After all this time it amazes me that some are unwilling to admit that guys like Coghlin, McShane, Beaney, Emery, Gosek, etc., might just be better than the guy on your particular fandom's team bench.
The complete ignorance of how things work in this day and age of Division 3 athletics is astounding. The NCAA audits every single school's athletic financial aid and matches it against the general student body. If it doesn't fall within a certain range (3-5 percent) I think, then as Ricky Ricardo used to say: "Someone has some 'splanin to do." As someone has pointed out, several schools have gotten rung up already and the NCAA has been auditing for several years now. After all this time it amazes me that some are unwilling to admit that guys like Coghlin, McShane, Beaney, Emery, Gosek, etc., might just be better than the guy on your particular fandom's team bench.
Re: SNC Off Season Thread
I attended SNC from 1998 - 2002 and went to high school a few blocks away in De Pere. I would estimate 15-20 of my classmates applied to SNC - all with varied financial, academic and athletic backgrounds. Many of use shared with each other the aid packages we were offered and I can assure you they were all VERY generous and made going to SNC more comparable to going to a UW school than I had originally thought.
I think hockey players come to SNC for many reasons, but those reasons always come back to one common denominator - the coach.
I attended SNC from 1998 - 2002 and went to high school a few blocks away in De Pere. I would estimate 15-20 of my classmates applied to SNC - all with varied financial, academic and athletic backgrounds. Many of use shared with each other the aid packages we were offered and I can assure you they were all VERY generous and made going to SNC more comparable to going to a UW school than I had originally thought.
I think hockey players come to SNC for many reasons, but those reasons always come back to one common denominator - the coach.
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No one is suggesting that Coghlin, McShane, Beaney, Emery, Gosek etc. are not good coaches, the real facts and the point of the discussion is that financial aid packages vary from school to school. Their schools have very aggressive financial aid packages that allow them to continue to recruit excellent players. It is that simple. Scholarship schools at D1 have a max of 18 awards, the Ivies police themselves and the non scholarship schools like RIT have outstanding aid packages. It is not as clear cut in D3, there are no limits on the amount of aid a school can award.
No one is suggesting that Coghlin, McShane, Beaney, Emery, Gosek etc. are not good coaches, the real facts and the point of the discussion is that financial aid packages vary from school to school. Their schools have very aggressive financial aid packages that allow them to continue to recruit excellent players. It is that simple. Scholarship schools at D1 have a max of 18 awards, the Ivies police themselves and the non scholarship schools like RIT have outstanding aid packages. It is not as clear cut in D3, there are no limits on the amount of aid a school can award.
Right. And if that is applied over the entire student body, it can hardly be considered cheating.
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The Ivie's self imposed limit is essentially the same limit as exists in DIII - wherever possible, the give ALL students full need scholarships regardless of athletic prowess. RIT is bound by DIII rules, as they are a DIII program playing at the DI level. The NCAA does audit financial aid, and if you don't comply with the standard that it is not possible to identify is a student is an athlete based on their financial aid package you will get rung up. It happens.
Yes schools with larger endowments have an advantage, because for many schools the financial aid budget for grants (as opposed to loans) are based on available income from the endowment.
The Ivie's self imposed limit is essentially the same limit as exists in DIII - wherever possible, the give ALL students full need scholarships regardless of athletic prowess. RIT is bound by DIII rules, as they are a DIII program playing at the DI level. The NCAA does audit financial aid, and if you don't comply with the standard that it is not possible to identify is a student is an athlete based on their financial aid package you will get rung up. It happens.
Yes schools with larger endowments have an advantage, because for many schools the financial aid budget for grants (as opposed to loans) are based on available income from the endowment.
norm1909
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Re: SNC Off Season Thread
I attended SNC 1988-1992. I was a poor hockey player but a pretty good high school student. My financial aid package made SNC cost about as much as I would have paid for in-state tuition at a UW school. That's all I'll say in this thread regarding finances.
For those who want to make ridiculous unfounded innuendos about financial issues they obviously don't have the slightest clue about feel free to start your own thread so you aren't clogging this thread up where we enjoy talking hockey.
As long as there are no unexpected losses, here is about what I expect to come in.
*Likely 2 goalies, with for sure 1 guy who they think can push Martin. With Martin being young I'm sure they would take a transfer.
*4 D-men to pair with the 4 returning. Getting Favreau back will seem like a new recruit because his was a completely wasted year because of injury.
*Maybe about 5 or 6 forwards. They'll need some 2 way guys because guys like Pulak, Langford, Exton, and Longley were pretty good in all 3 zones. I already told coach I wanted one of them to be big so he could put another jumbo line out there. He got a kick out of it and agreed it was a lot of fun watching those guys work.
I'll make another post in what I'm expecting from some of the returning guys.
I attended SNC 1988-1992. I was a poor hockey player but a pretty good high school student. My financial aid package made SNC cost about as much as I would have paid for in-state tuition at a UW school. That's all I'll say in this thread regarding finances.
For those who want to make ridiculous unfounded innuendos about financial issues they obviously don't have the slightest clue about feel free to start your own thread so you aren't clogging this thread up where we enjoy talking hockey.
As long as there are no unexpected losses, here is about what I expect to come in.
*Likely 2 goalies, with for sure 1 guy who they think can push Martin. With Martin being young I'm sure they would take a transfer.
*4 D-men to pair with the 4 returning. Getting Favreau back will seem like a new recruit because his was a completely wasted year because of injury.
*Maybe about 5 or 6 forwards. They'll need some 2 way guys because guys like Pulak, Langford, Exton, and Longley were pretty good in all 3 zones. I already told coach I wanted one of them to be big so he could put another jumbo line out there. He got a kick out of it and agreed it was a lot of fun watching those guys work.
I'll make another post in what I'm expecting from some of the returning guys.
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: SNC Off Season Thread
The Jumbo Line was one of the key developments of SNC's stretch drive to the title.
Too bad Stroh was unable to go in the ntl champ game (due to injury).
This line clicked from their first shift on the ice.
Their puck control and cycling of the puck in the zone both proved to be very effective for the Knights.
The Jumbo Line was one of the key developments of SNC's stretch drive to the title.
Too bad Stroh was unable to go in the ntl champ game (due to injury).
This line clicked from their first shift on the ice.
Their puck control and cycling of the puck in the zone both proved to be very effective for the Knights.
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Is that why Donohue played in the title game? I thought Donohue played pretty well this season in limited action, and I think he could be one of those two way forwards we're gonna need to replace.
Is that why Donohue played in the title game? I thought Donohue played pretty well this season in limited action, and I think he could be one of those two way forwards we're gonna need to replace.
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: SNC Off Season Thread
Donohue did start to play with more confidance in the games he played in. Not much of an offensive threat, but a solid 4th liner.
Yes, he took Stoh's spot.
Donohue did start to play with more confidance in the games he played in. Not much of an offensive threat, but a solid 4th liner.
Collegeman
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Re: SNC Off Season Thread
What exactly was the injury to Favreau anyway did he break a bone or a ligament injury? In an earlier post someone said he was coming back to play in the playoff series vs RF I also heard it was a academic issue.
What exactly was the injury to Favreau anyway did he break a bone or a ligament injury? In an earlier post someone said he was coming back to play in the playoff series vs RF I also heard it was a academic issue.
GBhockeygal
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Re: SNC Off Season Thread
Favreau I believe was issue with his wrist, not sure if surgery was involved or what, someone else perhaps knows more.......but certainly missed him on the ice across from Walz this year.........
Favreau I believe was issue with his wrist, not sure if surgery was involved or what, someone else perhaps knows more.......but certainly missed him on the ice across from Walz this year.........
hockeyrocks55
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Re: SNC Off Season Thread
would coughlin tell us who the recruits are?
would coughlin tell us who the recruits are?
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: SNC Off Season Thread
Normally don't get much info on new recruits until shortly before school starts.
Toe Blake's Brother
I never scored a goal backchecking!
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Loose lips sink ships! The process of staying quiet and lying in the weeds while recruiting seems to be working well!
Loose lips sink ships! The process of staying quiet and lying in the weeds while recruiting seems to be working well!
Real Old #35
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Re: SNC Off Season Thread
As I scroll through this thread, I must say the this talk about FA and d1 transfers is disgusting. I suppose it is not surprising after a team has the success that SNC has enjoyed/earned. I would expect more from most of the people that people that post on this site as most of the comments seem fairly thought out and are coming from the right place. These comment seem to come from ingorance.
Perhaps the private schools have more flexibility and larger endowments (SNC does not have that sort of endowment) to provide attractive financial packages. But that is not the reason SNC seems to get a few guys a year that contribute.
Fans of other schools should understand the caliber of players that the coaching staff recruits are D1 type players. Many of the decisions these players make go down to the wire and are based on any scholarship money or playing opportunities. The staff simply keeps the door open for the player it that player chooses to pursue a D1 opportunity. If it doesnt' work out at D1 they know they can contact SNC and still play at a high level. In addition, after 17 seasons Coach Coghlin has developed many relationships with coaches of all levels. If things aren't working out for a player at the D1 level they may just know that going to SNC is a good place to play and pursue and edcuation. D1 transfers didn't start coming to SNC last week. Even in the first few years of the program there were kids that when things weren't working out at MTU, Ferris State, and others they were a perfect fit at SNC.
Furthermore, there have been many D1 transfers within the NCHA over the last 17 years that have helped other teams. Those transfers went without much fanfare or accusation....maybe because those teams were state schools and they didn't reach three NCAA title games in four years. AH yes, "if they are successful they must be doing something wrong." Perhaps they are successful because they have had the same head coach for 17 years and he does it the right way!
These transfers have more to do with the hard work, integrity, and character of the coaching staff, program and institution than advantageous financial aid packages. Making sour grape accusations is ignorant and immature.
As I scroll through this thread, I must say the this talk about FA and d1 transfers is disgusting. I suppose it is not surprising after a team has the success that SNC has enjoyed/earned. I would expect more from most of the people that people that post on this site as most of the comments seem fairly thought out and are coming from the right place. These comment seem to come from ingorance.
Perhaps the private schools have more flexibility and larger endowments (SNC does not have that sort of endowment) to provide attractive financial packages. But that is not the reason SNC seems to get a few guys a year that contribute.
Fans of other schools should understand the caliber of players that the coaching staff recruits are D1 type players. Many of the decisions these players make go down to the wire and are based on any scholarship money or playing opportunities. The staff simply keeps the door open for the player it that player chooses to pursue a D1 opportunity. If it doesnt' work out at D1 they know they can contact SNC and still play at a high level. In addition, after 17 seasons Coach Coghlin has developed many relationships with coaches of all levels. If things aren't working out for a player at the D1 level they may just know that going to SNC is a good place to play and pursue and edcuation. D1 transfers didn't start coming to SNC last week. Even in the first few years of the program there were kids that when things weren't working out at MTU, Ferris State, and others they were a perfect fit at SNC.
Furthermore, there have been many D1 transfers within the NCHA over the last 17 years that have helped other teams. Those transfers went without much fanfare or accusation....maybe because those teams were state schools and they didn't reach three NCAA title games in four years. AH yes, "if they are successful they must be doing something wrong." Perhaps they are successful because they have had the same head coach for 17 years and he does it the right way!
These transfers have more to do with the hard work, integrity, and character of the coaching staff, program and institution than advantageous financial aid packages. Making sour grape accusations is ignorant and immature.
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SNC knows that they have the best financial aid packages and they know that can lie in the weeds and get who they want to get.
They have to have these great academic awards in place to comepete with the UWS and UWRF and rest of the NCHA, that are very low in cost.
I know everyone on here thinks this is just absurd, but it is the truth. SNC has found the loop holes and figured a way around the system. I guess the more I look at it, more power to them.
They system is flawed, not SNC and Norwich and Middleburry, I love the idea of a FA cap, but that won't happen. The rest of the country needs to find away to use the loop holes to their advantage and join the other power houses of college hockey.
Westscout
SNC knows that they have the best financial aid packages and they know that can lie in the weeds and get who they want to get.
They have to have these great academic awards in place to comepete with the UWS and UWRF and rest of the NCHA, that are very low in cost.
I know everyone on here thinks this is just absurd, but it is the truth. SNC has found the loop holes and figured a way around the system. I guess the more I look at it, more power to them.
They system is flawed, not SNC and Norwich and Middleburry, I love the idea of a FA cap, but that won't happen. The rest of the country needs to find away to use the loop holes to their advantage and join the other power houses of college hockey.
Westscout