Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

[XYZ]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

I suppose this is child's play in the "true" political threads.

Nah. The political threads here are actually some of the best I've seen online. Some rather smart people around here, really. I don't post much in them these days due to a combination of apathy and lack of time to write the required essays, but the discussions themselves are usually pretty solid and I enjoy reading them. Usually.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Who advocated that?

That would be you. Let me spell it out for you slowly, since that will give you the best chance of comprehension. YOU proposed restricting semi-automatic guns, either directly or through implications. I, being someone who, unlike you, is actually knowledgable about this topic said that this proposal is a non-starter. Bronconick then posted, siding with my statement, that restricting semi-automatics would essentially be restricting every gun designed or invented in the last century. Since almost all new guns are semi-automatics (disclaimer, there are still many pump, bolt, lever, break, etc. action guns being made, but that is generally older technology that was developed long ago, with the exception of some high end bolt action rifles, which are probably a much bigger threat than the millions of semi-auto hunting rifles and shotguns out there), you advocated for the restriction of almost all guns invented/developed/designed in the last century.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

That would be you. YOU proposed restricting semi-automatic guns, either directly or through implications.

After your tirade, reread the post 72...the one youre quoting. That's NOT what Bronco said.

Bronco said: ...but there's no discussion when the beginning line is ELIMINATING every gun invented in the 20th century.

I'll ask again...who said that?

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

After your tirade, reread the post 72...the one youre quoting. That's NOT what Bronco said.

Bronco said: ...but there's no discussion when the beginning line is ELIMINATING every gun invented in the 20th century.

I'll ask again...who said that?

I won't discuss this anymore with you. You have shown how little you know about the topic, repeatedly, and I don't appreciate it.

If anyone else, that is actually knowledgable about firearms, and their operation, wants to discuss this, I'm willing. Just don't start with something as asinine as regulating all semi-automatic weapons. Or, OP pointed out, implying that a semi-automatic weapon was used in the OKC bombing.

 

[Kepler]

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Nah. The political threads here are actually some of the best I've seen online. Some rather smart people around here, really. I don't post much in them these days due to a combination of apathy and lack of time to write the required essays, but the discussions themselves are usually pretty solid and I enjoy reading them. Usually.

Agreed. There are a few exception posters (Ignore is your friend), and there are a few exception subjects (abortion leads to a flame war after 5 posts, immigration after 50), but on the whole this is the most intelligent forum for political threads I've ever seen. Even when people here are passionate to the point of illogic about their points, they are very rarely stupid. A quick perusal of the rest of the net demonstrates how rare that it is.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

After your tirade, reread the post 72...the one youre quoting. That's NOT what Bronco said.

Bronco said: ...but there's no discussion when the beginning line is ELIMINATING every gun invented in the 20th century.

I'll ask again...who said that?

As an innocent bystander, I'll risk getting caught in the crossfire.

Your initial posts were intentionally vague ("chance for a legislative tune-up") and the pro-gun crowd took the bait and jumped to the seemingly inevitable "you're advocating eliminating 20th century guns" conclusion. You could have easily cleared up the confusion, but you were having too much fun riling them up and went full troll instead.

How about you post the specifics of what "legislative tune-ups" you WOULD advocate so we could actually have a meaningful discussion about them?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

As an innocent bystander, I'll risk getting caught in the crossfire.

I see what you did there.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

How about you post the specifics of what "legislative tune-ups" you WOULD advocate so we could actually have a meaningful discussion about them?

Like I said before, there will be no discussion if semi-automatics weapons are on the table. No way. If you want to talk limiting magazine size, background checks, fully-automatic weapons, waiting periods, etc. then a discussion can be had. But if there is any regulation on a gun, because it is simply semi-automatic, no way.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Like I said before, there will be no discussion if semi-automatics weapons are on the table. No way. If you want to talk limiting magazine size, background checks, fully-automatic weapons, waiting periods, etc. then a discussion can be had. But if there is any regulation on a gun, because it is simply semi-automatic, no way.

Let's wait to see what, if anything, 5MM has to suggest before trying to preemptively nuke the conversation.

You're probably just talking past whatever he would have to say anyway, and giving him every excuse in the world not to lay out his proposals.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

As an innocent bystander, I'll risk getting caught in the crossfire.

Your initial posts were intentionally vague ("chance for a legislative tune-up") and the pro-gun crowd took the bait and jumped to the seemingly inevitable "you're advocating eliminating 20th century guns" conclusion. You could have easily cleared up the confusion, but you were having too much fun riling them up and went full troll instead.

How about you post the specifics of what "legislative tune-ups" you WOULD advocate so we could actually have a meaningful discussion about them?

I suggested looking at some of the gun laws...and was subsequently misquoted in the extreme by about 4 posters. And regarding trolling, dx has followed me around posting bs after each of my posts over the last 4 days (today will be the 5th straight day). Here again, he misquoted me and got it wrong.

Regarding future posts on this, its also gotten a bit emotional for some...which means that any further policy discussion (which is why I'm here to begin with) is pretty fruitless.

Do appreciate the rational voice though.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

What I don't understand is why is there all this talk about guns, and not about the bat**** crazy people pulling their trigger. It's not a gun problem, it is person problem. If all guns were elimated in the US, and this crazy guy wanted to kill a bunch of people at this temple, do you really think he wouldn't find a different way to kill them without guns? Seriously, you can make a pipe bomb with stuff you can buy at Home Depot and instructions on the internet. Should we limit who we sell galvanized pipe to?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Like I said before, there will be no discussion if semi-automatics weapons are on the table. No way. If you want to talk limiting magazine size, background checks, fully-automatic weapons, waiting periods, etc. then a discussion can be had. But if there is any regulation on a gun, because it is simply semi-automatic, no way.

The biggest issue I have with this is, if we were to come to a point where American Revolution II was necessary, we need to be able to take out a highly sophisticated military, and these limits cause prevention, even if the best idea would already be to break into arsenals and hack drones.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

The biggest issue I have with this is, if we were to come to a point where American Revolution II was necessary, we need to be able to take out a highly sophisticated military, and these limits cause prevention, even if the best idea would already be to break into arsenals and hack drones.

Even if we all buy whatever weapons we can legally buy now, there is no way we can match up against the military.

 

[bronconick]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Any scenario reaching that stage will involve a fractured military involved on both sides, like every other civil war.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Putting whatever beef you two have aside, bbdl knows his guns. Very well, I might add. Personally, I've learned a lot about the differences (big and small) about guns/ammo/etc. He may be a little fanatical at times, but I don't question his knowledge when it gets down to the nitty-gritty. And his point about semi-s being banned? He has one.

this is correct, semi-automatic is a term thrown around to much without understanding. Just about every gun used for hunting (exceptions being pump, bolt and lever actions) are "semi-automatic." any pistol I can think of wanting to own falls under the umbrella of semiauto also.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

this is correct, semi-automatic is a term thrown around to much without understanding. Just about every gun used for hunting (exceptions being pump, bolt and lever actions) are "semi-automatic." any pistol I can think of wanting to own falls under the umbrella of semiauto also.

What! You wouldn't want to own a set of sweet double barrelled, break action, dueling pistols!?!?!

 

[bigblue_dl]

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This whole conversation ignores the idiocy of regulating semi-automatics when pump actions can get off shots nearly as fast, depending on the shooter. And the fact that high powered and highly accurate rifles are almost always bolt actions.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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What I don't understand is why is there all this talk about guns, and not about the bat**** crazy people pulling their trigger. It's not a gun problem, it is person problem. If all guns were elimated in the US, and this crazy guy wanted to kill a bunch of people at this temple, do you really think he wouldn't find a different way to kill them without guns? Seriously, you can make a pipe bomb with stuff you can buy at Home Depot and instructions on the internet. Should we limit who we sell galvanized pipe to?

This guy approves of your post.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

What I don't understand is why is there all this talk about guns, and not about the bat**** crazy people pulling their trigger. It's not a gun problem, it is person problem. If all guns were elimated in the US, and this crazy guy wanted to kill a bunch of people at this temple, do you really think he wouldn't find a different way to kill them without guns? Seriously, you can make a pipe bomb with stuff you can buy at Home Depot and instructions on the internet. Should we limit who we sell galvanized pipe to?

To clarify...

I am not so much an OR guy...but rather an AND guy. I think we can address all sides of the equation.

Don't believe me? Below's my post on 'bat**** crazy' people just prior to that on guns. In fact, I think I'm the only one on the thread that has actually posted anything looking at underlying problems in mass shootings.

Note that the post dealing with the people was completely ignored whereas the one suggesting looking into legislation only got anger (I'm beginning to understand the challenge true problem solvers in Washington face):

Just trying to make some sense of it all. These are the general characterisations I see for recent public mass shootings...am I missing something?

1. Racism/Bigotry - Apparently this case
2. 'Mad at the world' - Holmes (Batman shooter), school shootings/Columbine
3. Anti-government - Gifford, McVeigh

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Note that the post dealing with the people was completely ignored whereas the one suggesting looking into legislation only got anger (I'm beginning to understand the challenge true problem solvers in Washington face):

That is because guns aren't the problem.