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Shannon Miller

Re: Shannon Miller

HockeyEast33 said:
I don't know about the "Kennedy could get a head coaching job if she wanted one" comment. Wouldn't you have said that about Allison Coomey and Katie Lachapelle at BU for many years, yet there they were together behind Durocher for 9 years.... I don't believe for a second that they didn't try to get a head coach job in that time and yet they weren't able to. They have coaching credentials at least as good as Kennedy. It finally took Holy Cross going D1 to get Lachapelle in line and Coomey moved to Penn State as an assistant (not even an associate head coach). I think you assume too much to think that Kennedy is a shoo-in if she wanted to be. Wouldn't Providence be the right opportunity for her (New England, similar to BC, etc.)? For that matter - wouldn't Lachapelle be a good fit for Providence - she's an alum?
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See, there is a good reason why I was reluctant to mention names originally, I knew I would forget deserving women. I am sure there are others but those are very deserving candidates.
 
Re: Shannon Miller

Still Eeyore said:
Proving discrimination in hiring (as opposed to firing) is almost impossible, even when it happens. That's not true just for gender discrimination, but everything else. Age discrimination, for those who end up unemployed in their mid-40s or older (which I know from personal experience; it's how someone with a masters degree in accounting ends up as a security guard), is endemic, but you can't assemble the evidence to prove it.
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I don't know, if she applies anywhere in women's hockey for any job, she's automatically the #1 qualified person. If she applies at 5 schools and is not hired, she could probably make a discrimination case. The people in the know know she is psycho, but the jurors will again have no knowledge of that and fatten her bank accounts further.
 
Timothy A said:
I don't know, if she applies anywhere in women's hockey for any job, she's automatically the #1 qualified person. If she applies at 5 schools and is not hired, she could probably make a discrimination case. The people in the know know she is psycho, but the jurors will again have no knowledge of that and fatten her bank accounts further.
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But whoever hires her would have a coach who would definitely make a splash and draw attention to their program wearing that black shiny sequined jacket! Admit it, we all want to see that jacket again! :D
 
Re: Shannon Miller

Timothy A said:
I don't know, if she applies anywhere in women's hockey for any job, she's automatically the #1 qualified person. If she applies at 5 schools and is not hired, she could probably make a discrimination case. The people in the know know she is psycho, but the jurors will again have no knowledge of that and fatten her bank accounts further.
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Which basically amounts to extortion. Hire me or I'll (have grounds to) sue. I'd reject that candidate in a heartbeat. No college wants that kind of drama. It's like NFL teams not signing Capernick. I don't think it's collusion. I think every team has decided that his level of talent (marginal) doesn't outweigh the peripheral noise he would bring. I suspect Miller is now in that same boat.
 
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KTDC said:
Too bad, after all these years this board needs a moderator.
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If he would not have tried to insult me in the first place I would have no need to respond. He just isn't smart enough to have figured that out all by his little old self. Lol.
 
Re: Shannon Miller

Timothy A said:
I don't know, if she applies anywhere in women's hockey for any job, she's automatically the #1 qualified person. If she applies at 5 schools and is not hired, she could probably make a discrimination case. The people in the know know she is psycho, but the jurors will again have no knowledge of that and fatten her bank accounts further.
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That's not how discrimination law works. You actually have to prove intent to discriminate due to membership in a protected class. So long as a prospective employer never says that they are not hiring you because you're a woman, or a person of color, or over 50, that's pretty much impossible. There's nothing in American labor law that says that you have to hire the most qualified individual, and your hypothetical case would never even make it to a jury.
 
Re: Shannon Miller

Still Eeyore said:
That's not how discrimination law works. You actually have to prove intent to discriminate due to membership in a protected class. So long as a prospective employer never says that they are not hiring you because you're a woman, or a person of color, or over 50, that's pretty much impossible. There's nothing in American labor law that says that you have to hire the most qualified individual, and your hypothetical case would never even make it to a jury.
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So if there were 5 D1 openings and every one hired a first time male heterosexual coach as the HC, and Miller applied at all 5 and did not get hired, she'd have no case?
 
Re: Shannon Miller

Timothy A said:
So if there were 5 D1 openings and every one hired a first time male heterosexual coach as the HC, and Miller applied at all 5 and did not get hired, she'd have no case?
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Oh, she has a case. She's a member of a protected class, as evidenced by her win against UMD in court...
 
Re: Shannon Miller

Timothy A said:
So if there were 5 D1 openings and every one hired a first time male heterosexual coach as the HC, and Miller applied at all 5 and did not get hired, she'd have no case?
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If that's all the evidence that there is, then, no, she has no case. "Women" is a protected class; "Shannon Miller" is not. As has been pointed out on this thread, there are a lot of reasons why one would not hire the that do not amount to discrimination against the former. That's pretty much true of any individual. So long as the employer that doesn't hire someone can construct a plausible reason, even post hoc, why that particular person wasn't hired, then the mere fact that they weren't hired does not provide grounds for a successful discrimination suit. Doing that requires evidence that the employer actually used status within the protected class as an element of the real reason for the decision.

If a specific employer demonstrates a pattern of never hiring a member of a protected class, or at least never hiring them for senior positions, then they may be open to a class action suit, but that's different than one individual suing for discrimination.
 
Re: Shannon Miller

spwood said:
Oh, she has a case. She's a member of a protected class, as evidenced by her win against UMD in court...
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Again, a discrimination case based upon a job that one already has/had is an entirely different beast than one based upon not being hired. There is a much greater body of evidence from which to draw from to provide examples of actually discriminating behavior. With hiring, such animus is generally conducted behind closed doors, without the applicant ever being witness to it, and thus can't be proven in court.
 
Re: Shannon Miller

Timothy A said:
I don't know, if she applies anywhere in women's hockey for any job, she's automatically the #1 qualified person. If she applies at 5 schools and is not hired, she could probably make a discrimination case. The people in the know know she is psycho, but the jurors will again have no knowledge of that and fatten her bank accounts further.
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Actually her record over the last few years would argue that she is not the best qualified. Eeyore has it right. If you need proof look how long NFL & MLB strung along just interviewing one or two black candidates before they finally made one a manager.
 
Still Eeyore said:
....from which to draw from....
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Lol, what a moron! It's one or the other, not both. Make a choice. It's either "from which to sraw" or it's "to draw from." You don't use "from" twice you dolt. Stop trying to show off and just Keep It Simple Stupid.

You definitely fit your namesake's characteristics; a pessimistic, gloomy, depressed, anhedonic, old grey stuffed donkey/*ss. You sure didn't choose a flattering moniker!
 
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Re: Shannon Miller

shelfit said:
Lol, what a moron! It's one or the other, not both. Make a choice. It's either "from which to sraw" or it's "to draw from." You don't use "from" twice you dolt. Stop trying to show off and just Keep It Simple Stupid.

You definitely fit your namesake's characteristics; a pessimistic, gloomy, depressed, anhedonic, old grey stuffed donkey/*ss. You sure didn't choose a flattering moniker!
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You could choose to go the high road for once...Because that signal to noise ratio comment is looking pretty accurate about right now. Just sayin.
 
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