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Shannon Miller out at UMD?
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HockeyEast33
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Wow - that is just so wrong on so many levels (including the wording). Sure, all teams should play to win, but winning 12-0 makes you more of a man than winning 8-0? What a dumb-*** comment. Winning with respect for your opponent is a thing, dude. It's why in soccer, when an opponent is clearly injured (not one of those fake injuries), a team plays the ball out of bounds rather than taking advantage and scoring. One responsibility of a coach is to consider player safety. Your dumb-*** thinking has led to more needless brawls and injuries than I care to think about. So running up the score will almost inevitably lead to playing future games with less players and in the end hurt your own tema more. Wow - I'm just appalled.
Wow - that is just so wrong on so many levels (including the wording). Sure, all teams should play to win, but winning 12-0 makes you more of a man than winning 8-0? What a dumb-*** comment. Winning with respect for your opponent is a thing, dude. It's why in soccer, when an opponent is clearly injured (not one of those fake injuries), a team plays the ball out of bounds rather than taking advantage and scoring. One responsibility of a coach is to consider player safety. Your dumb-*** thinking has led to more needless brawls and injuries than I care to think about. So running up the score will almost inevitably lead to playing future games with less players and in the end hurt your own tema more. Wow - I'm just appalled.
I absolutely love it! One example is the town that doesn't allow the kids to go sliding in the winter. That is PUSSIFICATION of America's youth
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Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Circling back to the discussion about attendance the box score for tonight's home game vs UND says attendance is 1665!
Way higher than their average.
Circling back to the discussion about attendance the box score for tonight's home game vs UND says attendance is 1665!
Way higher than their average.
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Maybe you forgot to factor in the after game benefit of the relative proximity to the Anchor Bar & Grill.
Maybe you forgot to factor in the after game benefit of the relative proximity to the Anchor Bar & Grill.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Completely agree with this. No other way to describe what has happened in this country. Please note that Hux said at the varsity level in high school, college or the pros. We are not talking youth sports. But if you are playing at the highest levels I think its more disrespectful to your opponent to take it easy on them. That would make me more angry because it is so patronizing and essentially you are laughing at and taunting your opponent. That leads to more fights if that is what really concerns you.
Completely agree with this. No other way to describe what has happened in this country. Please note that Hux said at the varsity level in high school, college or the pros. We are not talking youth sports. But if you are playing at the highest levels I think its more disrespectful to your opponent to take it easy on them. That would make me more angry because it is so patronizing and essentially you are laughing at and taunting your opponent. That leads to more fights if that is what really concerns you.
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Miller plays another card.
She also confirms that international recruiting competition has significantly contributed to a few poor years which has been obvious and discussed here previously. But I hadn't heard the 5th semester factor before although I would think that that played a much smaller role.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...n-played-roles-in-her-firing/article22714022/
Miller plays another card.
She also confirms that international recruiting competition has significantly contributed to a few poor years which has been obvious and discussed here previously. But I hadn't heard the 5th semester factor before although I would think that that played a much smaller role.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...n-played-roles-in-her-firing/article22714022/
I think it plays a larger role than you may initially think. I know of some current and former players that have had to take 17, 18, 19 credits a semester. Hockey is much more challenging to create a class schedule around that other sports. Sports like Volleyball, softball/baseball, and soccer only compete during one semester which allows many of the athletes to take a far easier course load during their competition semester than they would in the other semester. Coordinating your travel schedule with tests, essays, etc in a class can be ridiculously stressful. Although, I will say that many professors are very understanding about taking a test earlier than scheduled and are usually pretty good at making arrangements if the athlete is respectful and handles that business in a mature and professional way. A fifth semester would allow athletes to ease up their course load and spread it throughout an entire year rather than 8 months.
I don't know much about the money aspect in terms of scholarships but would a fifth semester allow a university more flexibility in scholarships? As in, making it easier for them to spread out their scholarship money to a whole year rather than larger sums of money only twice a year?
Another factor to consider is overall graduation rates of your team/program. A fifth semester scholarship would allow athletes who aren't being supported by their parents or an outside money source to take those extra summer classes without worrying about the finances. More semesters to finish all of the credits would mean that an athlete could finish in four years instead of five and thus increasing the graduation rates.
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I guess the only way we would know would be to have Miller or better yet those players who didn't commit to UMD due to that factor come forward and claim as much. But that's not going to happen so it remains a nebulous contributing factor.
I guess the only way we would know would be to have Miller or better yet those players who didn't commit to UMD due to that factor come forward and claim as much. But that's not going to happen so it remains a nebulous contributing factor.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
She knows she's cooked, so now she has to play the orientation card for sympathy. If she carried herself like a true professional when she's behind the bench she'd get a lot more sympathy.
She knows she's cooked, so now she has to play the orientation card for sympathy. If she carried herself like a true professional when she's behind the bench she'd get a lot more sympathy.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Mark Johnson was asked a couple questions about Shannon Miller losing her job at his press conference today
http://www.btn2go.com/game/wisconsin-weekly-press-conference-20150202
Shannon ?s start at 9:27 although unsurprisingly Coach Johnson stays away from the limb.
Mark Johnson was asked a couple questions about Shannon Miller losing her job at his press conference today
http://www.btn2go.com/game/wisconsin-weekly-press-conference-20150202
Shannon ?s start at 9:27 although unsurprisingly Coach Johnson stays away from the limb.
pokechecker
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I was expecting her to play that card, ironic, considering the hiring practices of the U of MN
for the past 40 years this organization has passed over numerous qualified white males in order to hire less qualified members with minority status to boost how they look to the public and be "leaders" in minority hiring
I bet many of the men who were passed over will be thinking "I can't think of an organization that deserves to be sued over their hiring practices more than the U of MN"
it is also ironic the "woa is me they are getting rid of the last woman " when you consider she is the coach that doomed all the other female head coaches in the WCHA by bringing in ringers for her team
I was expecting her to play that card, ironic, considering the hiring practices of the U of MN
for the past 40 years this organization has passed over numerous qualified white males in order to hire less qualified members with minority status to boost how they look to the public and be "leaders" in minority hiring
I bet many of the men who were passed over will be thinking "I can't think of an organization that deserves to be sued over their hiring practices more than the U of MN"
it is also ironic the "woa is me they are getting rid of the last woman " when you consider she is the coach that doomed all the other female head coaches in the WCHA by bringing in ringers for her team
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
The plot thickens. ..considerably.
It's starting to remind me of the opening scenes of Murder By Death...which was a who done it comedy from the '70's. Now that I think of it, it might be reminding me even more of the closing scenes of that movie. Those who saw the movie will know what I mean.
Miller 2.0 or How Not to Conduct Public Relations or How to Shoot Yourself in the Other Foot or Same ---- Different Pile. Take your pick.
http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2015/01/another-female-coach-reportedly-ousted-at-umd/
The plot thickens. ..considerably.
It's starting to remind me of the opening scenes of Murder By Death...which was a who done it comedy from the '70's. Now that I think of it, it might be reminding me even more of the closing scenes of that movie. Those who saw the movie will know what I mean.
Miller 2.0 or How Not to Conduct Public Relations or How to Shoot Yourself in the Other Foot or Same ---- Different Pile. Take your pick.
http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2015/01/another-female-coach-reportedly-ousted-at-umd/
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I'm very surprised that UMD does not offer 5th year or summer scholarships to spread out the course load. As mentioned, many D1 hockey programs do extend such offers. It actually can play a very large role in decision-making (especially among families who already have previous experience), because many if not most coaches care little in their practice scheduling about considerable resulting conflicts with class schedules of even mandatory courses, and many attractive courses are always off-limits. As a result, many D1 hockey players are forced to change to easier majors instead of the ones they'd prefer to accommodate this, and/or are forced to take most of the lab-based courses and some of the other harder courses needed for entry to grad schools in the summers or after graduation. Hockey is unlike most varsity sports in that there is no off-season semester to achieve this within the normal school year. In addition, coaches like to encourage athletes to stay on campus for the summer to train, and paid summer school classes makes that more viable.
I don't know if UMD only recently discontinued doing this, but it especially surprises me, because my daughter was offered a full ride there some years ago. When they visited our home, it was made evident that being a top-ranked program the demands on the hockey side of the equation were to be made much more important than the academic side vs most schools--one of the reasons they were low on our list-- and that staying on for a 5th year to complete degree requirements would make this more viable. While we never discussed the nitty gritty financing details of that because it was not a top choice, a 5th year/9th semester scholarship was very much implied in those early discussions.
I'm very surprised that UMD does not offer 5th year or summer scholarships to spread out the course load. As mentioned, many D1 hockey programs do extend such offers. It actually can play a very large role in decision-making (especially among families who already have previous experience), because many if not most coaches care little in their practice scheduling about considerable resulting conflicts with class schedules of even mandatory courses, and many attractive courses are always off-limits. As a result, many D1 hockey players are forced to change to easier majors instead of the ones they'd prefer to accommodate this, and/or are forced to take most of the lab-based courses and some of the other harder courses needed for entry to grad schools in the summers or after graduation. Hockey is unlike most varsity sports in that there is no off-season semester to achieve this within the normal school year. In addition, coaches like to encourage athletes to stay on campus for the summer to train, and paid summer school classes makes that more viable.
I don't know if UMD only recently discontinued doing this, but it especially surprises me, because my daughter was offered a full ride there some years ago. When they visited our home, it was made evident that being a top-ranked program the demands on the hockey side of the equation were to be made much more important than the academic side vs most schools--one of the reasons they were low on our list-- and that staying on for a 5th year to complete degree requirements would make this more viable. While we never discussed the nitty gritty financing details of that because it was not a top choice, a 5th year/9th semester scholarship was very much implied in those early discussions.
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HockeyEast33
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Who knows what coaches will be fired after the season, but the RPI thread got me thinking about where Miller might end up next season. Candidates:
- RPI - Hmmm...... tough to see the fit there - as noted in the RPI thread, pretty low profile program - but maybe they want to shake it up?
- Union - Talk about low profile - I just don't see this one
- Brown - Well..... they just got rid of Digit Murphy a few years ago ..... thinking they don't want to relive that experience
- Providence - This is one that I could see....
- Minnesota State - Could see this one also....
Providence or Minnesota State look like the potential winners....
Who knows what coaches will be fired after the season, but the RPI thread got me thinking about where Miller might end up next season. Candidates:
- RPI - Hmmm...... tough to see the fit there - as noted in the RPI thread, pretty low profile program - but maybe they want to shake it up?
- Union - Talk about low profile - I just don't see this one
- Brown - Well..... they just got rid of Digit Murphy a few years ago ..... thinking they don't want to relive that experience
- Providence - This is one that I could see....
- Minnesota State - Could see this one also....
Providence or Minnesota State look like the potential winners....
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Why would MSU need a new coach? The guy there now has 12 frosh & they play with intensity. I expect them to be winning a lot in the near future. As for the Miller experience, they have witnessed it first hand & I doubt they want to partake.
Why would MSU need a new coach? The guy there now has 12 frosh & they play with intensity. I expect them to be winning a lot in the near future. As for the Miller experience, they have witnessed it first hand & I doubt they want to partake.
ARM
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I think in a sport like women's hockey, a coach who is suing her former employer, or at least threatening to do so, is less attractive as a hire. She may have to decide what is more important to her: continuing to coach college hockey, or having her day in court.
I think in a sport like women's hockey, a coach who is suing her former employer, or at least threatening to do so, is less attractive as a hire. She may have to decide what is more important to her: continuing to coach college hockey, or having her day in court.