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SCOTUS, Now with KBJ

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dxmnkd316 said:
Dems should basically run on "THomas is 75, Alito is 73. 6-3 turns into 4-5 awfully fast."
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Hell, they could both just wait until a GOP President in 2028 or 2032 and retire, like RBG should have done. If Senate stays blue in 2024, probably won’t stay that way long-term due to a number of factors I think we’ve all discussed on here.
 
psych said:
Hell, they could both just wait until a GOP President in 2028 or 2032 and retire, like RBG should have done. If Senate stays blue in 2024, probably won’t stay that way long-term due to a number of factors I think we’ve all discussed on here.
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We could do +6 today. But that would be divisive.
 
Holy crap...

https://twitter.com/transscribe/status/1674805334357975040

So in an article (which has now changed) the NYT posted about how to still get Student Loan Forgiveness this was an actual option:

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Ummm...cool I should just kill myself THEN I AM DEBT FREE!!!

(they have since changed it to reflect more that if you die the debt doesn't transfer to your family)
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Good on the US for electing Trump who placed three idiots on the Court. Good job.
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Stuff like these decisions is why I am less concerned in '24 than most. Every time there is a poll showing Biden struggling with the GOP House or Supreme Court says HOLD MY BEER!!! and steals all the headlines. Then Biden gets to rail against it and everyone (minus certain types of voters that probably will vote for Marianne Williamson) gets to see why Biden is the guy we need. And the RFK Jr. talks and we all get a hardy chuckle!
 
I dont think the Senate would do +6. I doubt they would even do +1. We know for sure Manchin would be a no and I think we can all guess who else would be a no. Not to mention there will be blowback...the kind we don't want long term.

Look, lets speak pragmatically for a second. We know the line for this court. They won't let Democracy fall because Democracy helps the rich get richer. They will screw over everyone, but they want the country to stay status quo on the fundamentals. Well Democracy is how we win, and they are basically handing us every issue of a friggin silver platter. And even better, they are complicit with a party that has literally zero agenda outside Rich White Christian Male Grievances. We are taking our losses now and it phucking sucks hard but those decisions are longterm going to lead to us winning democratically. That is all we can do realistically at this point.

We worry every cycle that Dems will stay home, that they get complacent or bored or don't fall in love with a candidate. Well, these clowns aren't letting that happen anymore. And we have to keep using it to keep winning. Every issue that has been proven to be a winner for us, they keep making easier for us to win on. Abortion, LGBTQ Rights, Student Debt, Affirmative Action, Climate Change Guns...they all poll positive for us. The populace is on our side on every issue and the Supreme Court has now made every election a referendum on those issues. And we are running against a group that also antagonizes the populace on each of these issues and only knows they hate the word Woke. We have been handed an opportunity by this ridiculously stupid Court to rebuild everything that has been destroyed the last 40 years...and if we are smart about it we won't need +6 to save Democracy. +6 would strengthen Democracy guaranteeing it lives another 100 years. (might even guarantee humans will still be here in 100 years)
 
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These people (and Senators running for President) that just whine and whine and whine about student loan forgiveness just fucking piss me off.

We have SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much corporate welfare and we bail out (PPP Loans anyone) rich people all the time.

You fucking hypocrites.
 
Sounds like Biden is going to try plan B to cancel student loans, using the Higher Education Act. Godspeed, sleepy Joe!
 
I have to give the Biden administration a lot of credit. They have known student loan forgiveness was dead once it got held up in an Appeals Court in October. Instead of “Oh well, we tried, it’s the Republicans/partisan SCOTUS fault” (which, of course, it is), and then doing nothing, they’re trying the plan B that’s been out there for months. It’s on as sturdy of legal ground, if not stronger, according to proponents, as plan A was. SCOTUS will likely use the “major questions doctrine” to shoot it down again, using questionable standing (again), but they’ll likely have to do it during an election year. The “It’s the Republicans/partisan SCOTUS fault” attack line in an election year, with all avenues for broad loan forgiveness attempted, should make for a stronger pitch to voters at that point.
 
If this nation survives the MAGA era of Republicanism, Roberts and company are going to be remembered the same way Roger Taney and his Court are.
 
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