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SCOTUS, Now with KBJ

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My personal opinion as to why abortion, and the upcoming decision, aren't the subject of a national discussion is that for the vast majority of citizens, abortion is nothing more than an abstract concept.

Women of a childbearing age make up what, maybe 20% of the U.S. population? Of that 20%, how many of them will get an abortion during their lives? Has to be less than 5% of that 20% doesn't it? So, what is that, less than 1% of the population? Sure, their family members might be tangentially affected, but still.

It's obviously way more than an abstract concept to a woman who is in a position to consider an abortion, but you could have 99% of the population sitting there, reading this draft decision and thinking that it will never affect them one way or the other anyway.

Good or bad, that's sort of how a lot of people are going to look at it.
 
rufus said:
Tell me, why should people vote for Democrats if those Democrats won't fight for the policies they supposedly believe in?

Just throw up their hands and say, "well, we tried, but its just not gonna happen. Manchin, or Mitch, (or whatever excuse they pick) just won't allow it to happen. Nothing we can do. You gotta vote for more of us".

You know what that says? That says "we're weak," and its too hard, and requires too much work, so we're not even gonna try.

And they want you to vote for more people like that? And you think Americans are the problem cause they won't?

Jesus.

They'll hold their little "abortion rights" vote theater show, have it go down in flames, shrug, say, "see, we tried. We fought for yoooouuuuu!!!!" and then not do another single damm thing to try to change things.

And still whine cause you wont vote for them hard enough.
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I certainly share the frustration here, but 30% of good is better than 100% of bad, isn't it (numbers are exact and totally not made up)? I kind of feel like the "what's the difference" coming from our left flank is counter-productive and only stands to help the fascists in a realpolitik way.
 
Swansong said:
I certainly share the frustration here, but 30% of good is better than 100% of bad, isn't it (numbers are exact and totally not made up)? I kind of feel like the "what's the difference" coming from our left flank is counter-productive and only stands to help the fascists in a realpolitik way.
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Sure. But that 30% can at least get in the fight, show some balls, make an effort. Show that they at least care. Give people a reason to vote for them.

I'm just tired of this entire Democrat excuse making of, "unless we have 60 Senators, there's nothing we can do". And since they don't have 60 senators, and are bound to fail, they don't even try.

What did they do when Obama was president and they had 60 senators? Did they pass an abortion rights bill then? No. Because they were scared of being called Baby-killers if they did, they didn't want to face any of the flak they might have gotten.

That's the story of the Democrats. Gutless. Too afraid to take a stand on anything. Because the Republicans might attack them for it. Meanwhile, they're getting attacked anyway, and still don't dare to do anything about it. Has any Democrat at all taken to the media and denounced any Republican at all for their role in 1/6? Other than in the most mealy-mouthed manner? When every single Democrat in office should be doing that every single day.

How is the average American who doesn't pay any attention to this shit, the ones Handy wants to smarten up, supposed to know that our very democracy in under threat, supposed to understand the gravity of that threat, if no Democrats are out there laying the exact threat out for them?

Like Republicans do every time they're in front of a camera.
 
It's interesting to me that there is an alternative bill being forwarded by Manchin and Collins and Murkowski. Why is this interesting? Because Manchin (for example) did his own voting rights bill. You know, he was going to write it to make sure it got to the 60 vote threshold. How many votes did it get from Republicans? Zero. How many Republicans are going to join these three clowns? I guarantee it's not 60. You know your country is boned when the centrists won't compromise and just vote with the side that has the logic and the most votes so something can get done. Instead, they demand everyone compromise with them AND nothing gets done.

They just hate women, ay? I suppose that's true. But, I think they really like the women they have under their spell. The majority of white women. The ones that have no problem serving their masters.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, I'm not sure why Congress has failed to act on this problem. This is a major, major problem. But, it just goes to show you. Republicans care about cells, they do not give a **** about kids.
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What exactly did you expect Congress to do about this? Just snap their fingers and make it go away?

Baby formula has only a handful of manufacturers, primarily because it is a very regulated process. It's not like monitoring the food safety of hams or something. Baby formula is pretty much the baby's primary source of nutrition, so it has to be done precisely right.

All companies and manufacturers are suffering from supply chain issues right now, primarily due to the coupling of the pandemic and the aging out of workers in this country. We were going to be short workers anyway, with or without Covid, and the pandemic only exacerbated this.

Then, on top of that you add to the mix the problem that one of the major manufacturers had to be shut down for reasons related to the safety of the formula it was producing. I'm not sure we want Congress to just ignore those problems and tell the manufacturer to keep cooking.

We don't import a bunch of formula because of our strict standards. I don't know that I'm in favor of them just giving a pass on those, at least not if I had a baby I was feeding.

Then, to top it all off, the media comes out and raises the alarm about possible shortages of formula, which of course causes what? Yep, people hoarding formula.

Did you know that more formula was produced in this country in April than had been produced in the month prior to the closing of the major manufacturer? What does that tell you? It tells you people are hoarding it, again exacerbating the shortage. So Congress should do what, exactly, pass an anti-hoarding law?

I guess I'll wait to hear your solution.
 
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That's great. There's always a narrative for doing nothing. Meanwhile we have mothers out there who are rationing their kids food. That's perfect.
 
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It's interesting to me that there is an alternative bill being forwarded by Manchin and Collins and Murkowski. Why is this interesting? Because Manchin (for example) did his own voting rights bill. You know, he was going to write it to make sure it got to the 60 vote threshold. How many votes did it get from Republicans? Zero. How many Republicans are going to join these three clowns? I guarantee it's not 60. You know your country is boned when the centrists won't compromise and just vote with the side that has the logic and the most votes so something can get done. Instead, they demand everyone compromise with them AND nothing gets done.

They just hate women, ay? I suppose that's true. But, I think they really like the women they have under their spell. The majority of white women. The ones that have no problem serving their masters.
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Yeah, Manchin's a real influencer. The Repub candidate he was backing in the WV primary got trounced by Trump's pick.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
It's interesting to me that there is an alternative bill being forwarded by Manchin and Collins and Murkowski. Why is this interesting? Because Manchin (for example) did his own voting rights bill. You know, he was going to write it to make sure it got to the 60 vote threshold. How many votes did it get from Republicans? Zero. How many Republicans are going to join these three clowns? I guarantee it's not 60. You know your country is boned when the centrists won't compromise and just vote with the side that has the logic and the most votes so something can get done. Instead, they demand everyone compromise with them AND nothing gets done.

They just hate women, ay? I suppose that's true. But, I think they really like the women they have under their spell. The majority of white women. The ones that have no problem serving their masters.
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No, they hate them too. But they tolerate them, because they're so subservient.

And once in a while, they even put out for them.
 
SJHovey said:
What exactly did you expect Congress to do about this? Just snap their fingers and make it go away?

Baby formula has only a handful of manufacturers, primarily because it is a very regulated process. It's not like monitoring the food safety of hams or something. Baby formula is pretty much the baby's primary source of nutrition, so it has to be done precisely right.

All companies and manufacturers are suffering from supply chain issues right now, primarily due to the coupling of the pandemic and the aging out of workers in this country. We were going to be short workers anyway, with or without Covid, and the pandemic only exacerbated this.

Then, on top of that you add to the mix the problem that one of the major manufacturers had to be shut down for reasons related to the safety of the formula it was producing. I'm not sure we want Congress to just ignore those problems and tell the manufacturer to keep cooking.

We don't import a bunch of formula because of our strict standards. I don't know that I'm in favor of them just giving a pass on those, at least not if I had a baby I was feeding.

Then, to top it all off, the media comes out and raises the alarm about possible shortages of formula, which of course causes what? Yep, people hoarding formula.

Did you know that more formula was produced in this country in April than had been produced in the month prior to the closing of the major manufacturer? What does that tell you? It tells you people are hoarding it, again exacerbating the shortage. So Congress should do what, exactly, pass an anti-hoarding law?

I guess I'll wait to hear your solution.
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I thought all this shit was all Brandon's fault?
 
Last I read, there are more job openings than there are job seekers. Higher wages may help attract employees in the short term, at the expense of increasing the cost of production. Fixing our immigration system would help re-staff our production lines and delivery/logistics chains in the long run. In a country with a worker shortage and a declining birth rate, if you aren't doing everything to simplify the process and welcome legal, taxpaying immigrants, then your economy and country is dying.
 
rufus said:
Tell me, why should people vote for Democrats if those Democrats won't fight for the policies they supposedly believe in?

Just throw up their hands and say, "well, we tried, but its just not gonna happen. Manchin, or Mitch, (or whatever excuse they pick) just won't allow it to happen. Nothing we can do. You gotta vote for more of us".

You know what that says? That says "we're weak," and its too hard, and requires too much work, so we're not even gonna try.

And they want you to vote for more people like that? And you think Americans are the problem cause they won't?

Jesus.

They'll hold their little "abortion rights" vote theater show, have it go down in flames, shrug, say, "see, we tried. We fought for yoooouuuuu!!!!" and then not do another single damm thing to try to change things.

And still whine cause you wont vote for them hard enough.
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What democrats are you talking about? Is there an women's healthcare bill any could have put forward that would have passed the senate in its current makeup?

To me this was a very sensible bill that I would like to see pass but obviously not happening.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Last I read, there are more job openings than there are job seekers. Higher wages may help attract employees in the short term, at the expense of increasing the cost of production. Fixing our immigration system would help re-staff our production lines and delivery/logistics chains in the long run. In a country with a worker shortage and a declining birth rate, if you aren't doing everything to simplify the process and welcome legal, taxpaying immigrants, then your economy and country is dying.
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Corporate America agrees with you...the GOP leaders they fund do not. (except if they own businesses of course)
 
ScoobyDoo said:
That's great. There's always a narrative for doing nothing. Meanwhile we have mothers out there who are rationing their kids food. That's perfect.
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Anti Trust breakup of the formula companies is probably what needs to be done
 
ericredaxe said:
What democrats are you talking about? Is there an women's healthcare bill any could have put forward that would have passed the senate in its current makeup?

To me this was a very sensible bill that I would like to see pass but obviously not happening.
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Sure, and it's all a dog and pony show, and tomorrow they'll go about their business and never think about the issue again, until they need to raise some campaign money.
 
WisconsinWildcard said:
Around 25% of women have an abortion by age 45. It is literally one of the most common medical procedures performed. You are woefully misinformed.
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It’s what they tell themselves so they don’t have to care while others are stripped of their rights.

do all men think that women announce their abortion? That you can’t think of anyone who had one? Do you tell everyone you know that your dick is limp and you need to see a doctor? You being men in general, not directed at the good doc here
 
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