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SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

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The Sicatoka said:
Honestly, I believe part of the change you're feeling aligns to the allegations.
It went from an "I can believe that" allegation (Dr. Ford) to a "What? Seriously? Organized weekly drugged rape parties? Really?" difficult to fathom by the number of moving parts allegation (Swetnick).

In my mind, if Kavanaugh was just having to face down Ford, he'd have a much larger problem. But Swetnick's claim made it far easier to dismiss all claims and that's insulting to Ford, who I find most plausible.
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I don't see that because the GOP was always going to circle the wagons regardless. Unless Ford had video, unlikely given what home movie cameras looked like in 1982, or Judge himself confessed to being part of an attempted rape, again extremely unlikely, we'd be in the same place we're at now.
 
Rover said:
I don't see how it resonates unless you have a persecution complex. How many people are falsely accused of attempted rape? That's not the same thing as saying something that got taken the wrong way or someone thinking you were standing too close to them on the subway.
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People worry about all kinds of crazy one in a million type things. Democrats jumped the gun on this one and as Scooby says the tide is turning.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
In my mind, if Kavanaugh was just having to face down Ford, he'd have a much larger problem. But Swetnick's claim made it far easier to dismiss all claims and that's insulting to Ford, who I find most plausible.
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Agree Swetnick's completely incredible claims and Avenetti jumping into the fray hurt Ford. I found the Ramirez allegations the most plausible. But she had even less of a fact backed claim then Ford, who herself had very little in the way of facts to rely on.


Collins has apparently characterized the FBI check as a "very thorough investigation."
 
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Drew S. said:
People worry about all kinds of crazy one in a million type things. Democrats jumped the gun on this one and as Scooby says the tide is turning.
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I'm a little curious how else you or Scooby thinks they should have played it? :confused: Ignored Ford? Trashed her like the Republicans did?
 
Rover said:
I'm a little curious how else you or Scooby thinks they should have played it? :confused: Ignored Ford? Trashed her like the Republicans did?
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They could have turned the letter over immediately and let a proper investigation happen. It was a last ditch Hail Mary.
 
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Rover said:
I'm a little curious how else you or Scooby thinks they should have played it? :confused: Ignored Ford? Trashed her like the Republicans did?
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Pretty much. They did their job and did it exactly how they were supposed to. The Democrats are the reason this is happening.

Feel honored Republicans and "Centrists" you now are an anchor on the Supreme Court as well. I will laugh when in 4 years Roe vs. Wade is still on the books and you sold your soul to the Devil for nothing. At least Judas got 30 pieces of silver...

What respect I had for the FBI is now gone. They didnt even pretend to try. They talked to no one, investigated nothing and amazingly found nothing. They are the cop in Casablanca only at leas he feigned caring which they didnt.

This should be a fun couple of years for Collins and Murkowski. Hate to be on their staff ;)
 
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And like I said, this sham investigation just gives them cover to confirm and basically abdicate responsibility based on the findings of a third party rather than making a tough decision based on the claims of Ford and others. I can't say I blame the dems for wanting this to be further investigated but it played right into the R's hands.
 
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Drew S. said:
They could have turned the letter over immediately and let a proper investigation happen. It was a last ditch Hail Mary.
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That would have meant violating Ford's desire for privacy. A big, BIG no-no for a victim of sexual assault.

What the Dems have done, to their credit for once, is been on the right side of an issue. They've stuck up for the victims of sexual assault and gave Dr. Ford a platform to come forward with her story. Unlike the Anita Hill hearings they've pretty much done all they could do. Whether voters reward them for that or punish them or sit around with their thumbs up their a sses is up to the voters, not the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. You can either sit out elections and let a Trumpian view on sexual assault go unchallenged, or you can punish him and his elected enablers at the ballot box. At some point voters need to be responsible for who they choose to lead them. November 6th seems like a good time to start.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Even over Dr. Ford, yes.

The FBI was supposed to look into those because they were before the SJC, weren't they?
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Yes even Trump didnt stop that. The FBI didnt talk to Ramirez or Ford...or Kavanaugh for that matter. The FBI ignored all calls and emails or gave people the runaround. And here I thought the "I" in FBI stood for "Investigations".

Its taking a lot of effort to hold back my true feelings on this. My level of contempt for anyone on the Right, or really anyone who votes that way is at an all time high which is not healthy. I dont mind if they want to live in the Stone Age but their incessant need to drag us down with them is just getting to be too much. They love America, they just dont love anything it stands for anymore.
 
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trixR4kids said:
And like I said, this sham investigation just gives them cover to confirm and basically abdicate responsibility based on the findings of a third party rather than making a tough decision based on the claims of Ford and others. I can't say I blame the dems for wanting this to be further investigated but it played right into the R's hands.
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So the Dems should have just thrown up their hands and let it go? You understand not one of them survives if they pull that maneuver. They had to try and get this looked at, and they had no reason to believe the FBI would put zero effort in. Christ even half assing it would have yielded different results.

The Dems did the right thing...this has zero to do with them.
 
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Rover said:
That would have meant violating Ford's desire for privacy. A big, BIG no-no for a victim of sexual assault.

What the Dems have done, to their credit for once, is been on the right side of an issue. They've stuck up for the victims of sexual assault and gave Dr. Ford a platform to come forward with her story. Unlike the Anita Hill hearings they've pretty much done all they could do. Whether voters reward them for that or punish them or sit around with their thumbs up their a sses is up to the voters, not the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. You can either sit out elections and let a Trumpian view on sexual assault go unchallenged, or you can punish him and his elected enablers at the ballot box. At some point voters need to be responsible for who they choose to lead them. November 6th seems like a good time to start.
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All of this...
 
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Handyman said:
So the Dems should have just thrown up their hands and let it go? You understand not one of them survives if they pull that maneuver. They had to try and get this looked at, and they had no reason to believe the FBI would put zero effort in. Christ even half assing it would have yielded different results.
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Maybe for once try reading what somebody writes and actually respond to it lmao. Good lord.

I don't blame them for wanting the investigation but that is undeniably the end result.
 
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I believed the leaks earlier this week that the FBI wasn’t going to talk to anyone of importance. I don’t know why anyone would have hoped for better with this train wreck of an administration
 
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