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SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

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burd said:
That's a little like saying if I chose not to vote in a given election I lose the right to vote in that election. If I choose not to request counsel for 5 separate crimes over 8 years, I do not waive the right to counsel at any time in the future.
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But that’s the thing. No one loses their “right” to vote here. All they have to do is register, just like when I moved.
 
SJHovey said:
But that’s the thing. No one loses their “right” to vote here. All they have to do is register, just like when I moved.
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And again...if they don't know they aren't registered any more when they go to vote and their state does not have same day...and most dont....then the right IS being taken away.
 
SJHovey said:
But that’s the thing. No one loses their “right” to vote here. All they have to do is register, just like when I moved.
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How would they know to register if they don't know they're no longer on the voting rolls until they show up to vote and can't?
 
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First Time said:
What amendment says if you don't use a right you lose that right?
That's why it matters.
You don't lose a right simply because you chose not to always exercise that right.
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Could you imagine if the Democrats tried to propose taking someone’s guns if they didn’t vote every six years?
 
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unofan said:
How would they know to register if they don't know they're no longer on the voting rolls until they show up to vote and can't?
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Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

Handyman said:
I am still waiting for an answer as to why there needs to be voter rolls purged though. What is the big deal? There is no voter fraud so why is it important? It solves no problems but has the potential to cause many...seems like a complete waste of time and effort.
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I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
 
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First Time said:
What amendment says if you don't use a right you lose that right?
That's why it matters.
You don't lose a right simply because you chose not to always exercise that right.
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You're not losing the right. I liken it to Handy's example of he chooses not to assemble, then does he lose the right to assemble. My answer was no, but if he has a permit to assemble, it doesn't last forever. If he doesn't use it the municipality can revoke it after a certain amount of time and require that he get a new one. That's not trampling on the Constitution.

Regarding why in general the voter rolls are updated I would think it has less to do with mythical voter fraud that knuckledraggers are always wheeling out and more to do with more mundane issues such as the cost of contacting voters for mailers and other such updates. I get quite a few of those from the town each year, but if 3 times as many people are on the rolls as who actually live in the town that's a lot of wasted $$$ for people who are no longer around. So the boring question remains, how long do some of you want to keep non-voters on the rolls? Like if someone's a Civil War veteran, can we take them off? :D
 
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SJHovey said:
Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
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My answer is because there is no need for it. Having the names on the roll doesnt cause any problems. The opposite is not true if you cant same day register. Purging the rolls causes way more issues than not purging the rolls.
 
SJHovey said:
Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
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We don't do it because history has proven every time you make voting harder, it is always targeted at already disadvantaged groups like minorities and women. And it's always done for partisan advantage; they sell it as anti-fraud so gullible people like yourself will support it even though the measured voter fraud rate is something like 0.0001 percent.
 
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SJHovey said:
Isn't that just a matter of being an informed citizen? We rely upon citizens to understand that to vote in the first place they have to register. We rely upon them to understand that if they change their name they have to re-register. We rely upon them to understand that if they move, they have to re-register. This just one more item. Did you vote in the last 6 years? If not, you need to re-register.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to why they shouldn't purge the rolls every year.

We should all be expected to register to vote before every single election. What is the legal, or for that matter factual basis for just assuming that we still live where we claimed to live before the last election, that our name is the same, or that we're even alive? There is no basis for making that assumption.

Before we vote, we should be expected to present ourselves, show we're still alive, tell them where we're living so that we can demonstrate that we are eligible to vote for that particular set of alderman candidates or in that particular congressional district, and generally demonstrate that we are an eligible voter in that particular district or ward.

We don't do that, but we should. You know why we don't? No legal basis. In fact I'd argue that the law that requires you to be an eligible voter really mandates that you register before each election. But we don't do it because of time and money. It's much easier and cheaper for states to just become lazy and let the rolls remain as they are.

All Ohio has done is move closer to what all states should be doing.
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This may be a dumb question, but why do you assume that everyone who wants to vote has the same free time that you do, so that you can renew your voting registration on an annual basis? We don't even do that for driver's licences, for crying out loud. The only think we do it for is vehicle registration, and that's pretty easy to do on line.

Why should we treat voter registration so much differently than everything else? What does that achieve? What do you think gets fixed when you annually purge the voters?

Seems like a colossal waste of time, and money, and effort to solve nothing. Honestly, are you willing to pay more taxes so that the state can hire people to deal with this on an annual basis?

Why is it actually lazy to not renew the voter rolls very often? I don't understand that thinking what so ever.

You want the voter to put more effort into voting, but you end up putting a HUGE burden in the system to do that. That's a waste.
 
Rover said:
You're not losing the right. I liken it to Handy's example of he chooses not to assemble, then does he lose the right to assemble. My answer was no, but if he has a permit to assemble, it doesn't last forever. If he doesn't use it the municipality can revoke it after a certain amount of time and require that he get a new one. That's not trampling on the Constitution.

Regarding why in general the voter rolls are updated I would think it has less to do with mythical voter fraud that knuckledraggers are always wheeling out and more to do with more mundane issues such as the cost of contacting voters for mailers and other such updates. I get quite a few of those from the town each year, but if 3 times as many people are on the rolls as who actually live in the town that's a lot of wasted $$$ for people who are no longer around. So the boring question remains, how long do some of you want to keep non-voters on the rolls? Like if someone's a Civil War veteran, can we take them off? :D
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Again..they are losing it if they are not on the rolls and do not know it until the day of the election and they can't register same day...which most can't.
 
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unofan said:
We don't do it because history has proven every time you make voting harder, it is always targeted at already disadvantaged groups like minorities and women. And it's always done for partisan advantage; they sell it as anti-fraud so gullible people like yourself will support it even though the measured voter fraud rate is something like 0.0001 percent.
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Everything is so politicized right now. I bet if in today's climate a state legislature proposed requiring someone to re-register if they changed their name, (something that's been required for years) most of you and thousands of others would be screeching about how we're trying to deprive disadvantaged groups of the right to vote.

I don't lobby to make it more difficult to vote, and I think voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That said, I have no problem with what Ohio did to clean up its rolls, and I would not object to a state proposing what I outlined earlier, which is to require re-registration before every election. The fact that I think it would be fine, and even wise, to do that doesn't mean that I'm demanding that it happen or that I'll even be disappointed if it didn't.
 
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First Time said:
Again..they are losing it if they are not on the rolls and do not know it until the day of the election and they can't register same day...which most can't.
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But don't they also "lose" that right if they've never registered at all and they show up on election day not knowing they had to pre-register?
 
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