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Science: Vaccines Work, GMOs Are Safe, Everything is a Chemical

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joecct said:
Unless he achieves orbit, he proves nothing.
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Oh, he'll prove something alright.

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Good. Glitter sucks. And if there’s science to back it up, great.
 
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Perhaps we can attach a booster rocket to fly this into the Earth?
 
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This isn't science, which is interesting, it's technology, which is boring, but I have nowhere else appropriate to put it.

This is also a dumb question. I've been reading warnings about how the FCC demolishing net neutrality will make it easier to choke off the communication of independent media from the net. The threat of authoritarian creep is obvious given the Authoritarian Creep in the White House. I've also been seeing references to individual communities bereft of ISP interest which have basically wired themselves to the internet with LANs. Sometimes I have heard terms like "parallel internet" bandied about.

OK, the question, finally. Would it be technologically possible to create a parallel internet so that we could always get around any government or business extermination of free exchange of ideas? Could we, essentially, all bypass the Google / Amazon / Facebook internet and create our own, thus protecting ourselves from the predations of a corporate monopoly over information transmission?

The whole virtue of the internet is that it is distributed. If that is so, then if the ISPs are chokepoints could we simply create alternative paths around the ISPs, ignoring the roadblocks? I understand that from a political point of view the corporate interests would then simply bribe the government to make these pathways illegal -- that's a different problem.

Basically I'm asking whether a set of LANs could tell the larger corporate universe to blow itself and just link to one another to always ensure that all traffic could get through? If the tanks are on the interstate can we always just build our own roads?
 
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It's conceivably possible, but you're talking about hooking up a whole lot of infrastructure worth billions of dollars, and even more pesos, if you want this thing to be national - let alone international.
 
Kepler said:
This isn't science, which is interesting, it's technology, which is boring, but I have nowhere else appropriate to put it.

This is also a dumb question. I've been reading warnings about how the FCC demolishing net neutrality will make it easier to choke off the communication of independent media from the net. The threat of authoritarian creep is obvious given the Authoritarian Creep in the White House. I've also been seeing references to individual communities bereft of ISP interest which have basically wired themselves to the internet with LANs. Sometimes I have heard terms like "parallel internet" bandied about.

OK, the question, finally. Would it be technologically possible to create a parallel internet so that we could always get around any government or business extermination of free exchange of ideas? Could we, essentially, all bypass the Google / Amazon / Facebook internet and create our own, thus protecting ourselves from the predations of a corporate monopoly over information transmission?

The whole virtue of the internet is that it is distributed. If that is so, then if the ISPs are chokepoints could we simply create alternative paths around the ISPs, ignoring the roadblocks? I understand that from a political point of view the corporate interests would then simply bribe the government to make these pathways illegal -- that's a different problem.

Basically I'm asking whether a set of LANs could tell the larger corporate universe to blow itself and just link to one another to always ensure that all traffic could get through? If the tanks are on the interstate can we always just build our own roads?
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You can bypass the Google/Amazon/Facebook right now. What you can't bypass are the comcasts, Verizon's, and level 3's of the world who control the hardware and the actual fiber lines.

That's why net neutrality is important. The bottleneck is the hardware, not the software.

Unless you have billions of dollars to hook up 150,000,000 homes independently of anyone else.
 
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unofan said:
You can bypass the Google/Amazon/Facebook right now. What you can't bypass are the comcasts, Verizon's, and level 3's of the world who control the hardware and the actual fiber lines.

That's why net neutrality is important. The bottleneck is the hardware, not the software.

Unless you have billions of dollars to hook up 150,000,000 homes independently of anyone else.
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Here's an imposingly stupid question. Can we do all the transmission wirelessly? Not now, but in fifty years say? Will a day come when The Kids say "Wait, signal used to come across a wireline, like power? How would that even work?" And then can we all use our own boxes as the hardware -- a network where the ISPs are the billions of personal nodes themselves, with quadrillions of permutated paths to prevent anyone from ever shutting it down ("You can't stop the signal, Mal.")?

I guess what I'm asking is, short of bloodshed are we going to be able to take these as-sholes down? Is this going to be like energy companies and nation states and religions all over again?
 
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Kepler said:
Can we do it all the transmission wirelessly?
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As uno's answer said, Verizon would love you to.

The "internet" is still in simplest form files on servers connected to communications and power somewhere and owned by somebody.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
As uno's answer said, Verizon would love you to.

The "internet" is still in simplest form files on servers connected to communications and power somewhere and owned by somebody.
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I'm saying can we be the servers and tell Verizon to get lost? I'm sure they have huge server farms but I'm also sure they don't have the capacity of all the users. Can the users, well, take over the means of production (to put it romantically)?
 
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Kepler said:
Here's an imposingly stupid question. Can we do it all the transmission wirelessly? Not now, but in fifty years say? Will a day come when The Kids say "Wait, signal used to come across a wireline, like power? How would that even work?" And then can we all use our own boxes as the hardware -- a network where the ISPs are the billions of personal nodes themselves, with quadrillions of permutated paths to prevent anyone from ever shutting it down ("You can't stop the signal, Mal.")?

I guess what I'm asking is, short of bloodshed are we going to be able to take these as-sholes down? Is this going to be like energy companies all over again?
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Yes and no. You'll need transmitters, and repeaters, much like today's current cell tower infrastructure. So you have the chance of reducing infrastructure costs, but it'll still be in the low billions for cost. Speeds will be slower than landlines for the near future. Satellite transmission is another possibility, but will require a series of satellites in orbit to cover the globe. Transmission rates are slower than the current cell design. You run into issues for speed due to the distance required for each data packet transmission with satellites.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm saying can we be the servers and tell Verizon to get lost? I'm sure they have huge server farms but I'm also sure they don't have the capacity of all the users. Can the users, well, take over the means of production (to put it romantically)?
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Can you build your own server and communications port (wired or wireless)?

If not, we're slaves to Dell and Cisco.
And then Comcast and Verizon.
And then to Google.

Even if you could, you'd need your nearest neighbors to do the same.
And then you'd all have to connect to create a user mesh (network).
 
The Sicatoka said:
Can you build your own server and communications port (wired or wireless)?

If not, we're slaves to Dell and Cisco.
And then Comcast and Verizon.
And then to Google.

Even if you could, you'd need your nearest neighbors to do the same.
And then you'd all have to connect to create a user mesh (network).
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And each hop slows things down incrementally.
 
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unofan said:
And each hop slows things down incrementally.
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Yup. Horribly.

I'm doing some work on a multi-controller wireless Ethernet communications distributed machine that fills up most of a large building. I'm hoping to stay in a star topology to avoid using repeaters (and the hop delays they guarantee). Real time ain't real time when you have repeaters.
 
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