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Science: Everything explained by PV=nRT, F=ma=Gm(1)•m(2)/r^2

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Kepler said:
By your ideology, F. Scott Fitzgerald didn't give the world Gatzby, his publisher did.
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Welcome back. :)

No. F Scott Fitzgerald gets all the credit and rightfully so. He created 100% of the end product that is consumed...a publisher just passed it through exactly as he created it. That is rarely the case with conventional corporate offerings as they incorporate from hundreds of ideas, from sometimes thousands of individuals.

Its actually more instructive to think of F Scott as an entrepreneur rather than a lab scientist - as he's combining a wide variety of inputs/ideas to put together a market ready product. The publisher is just him outsourcing production. And I'm quite confident that in his books, F Scott Fitzgerald did get 'ideas' from others that he used in his final published version. Note these 'contributors' do not get credit for
 
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Fitzgerald did not make a ready-to-consume product. How did it get from his mind or his manuscript to the public?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Welcome back. :)

No. F Scott Fitzgerald gets all the credit and rightfully so. He created 100% of the end product that is consumed...a publisher just passed it through exactly as he created it. That is rarely the case with conventional corporate offerings as they incorporate from hundreds of ideas, from sometimes thousands of individuals.

Its actually more instructive to think of F Scott as an entrepreneur rather than a lab scientist - as he's combining a wide variety of inputs/ideas to put together a market ready product. The publisher is just him outsourcing production. And I'm quite confident that in his books, F Scott Fitzgerald did get 'ideas' from others that he used in his final published version. Note these 'contributors' do not get credit for
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An "entrepreneur" is like a movie producer. He has the money so his name gets put up in big letters. But the motive force is the money, not him. He's fungible. It could be anybody with the money.

In all of your examples you've been talking about the power of finance, not the contribution of the person with the money. We all know money matters. But the people with the money are completely arbitrary. The difference maker is the creator. The money he is financed with is essential. But the guy with that money is a nullity. Only an entire ideology built to suck up to those guys (and thus attract what is really of value, the money) has made them into Figures of Sanctification.

You know why universities have business schools? Because business people are vain and shallow and stupid and they give lots of money to universities. The Ur-businessman is Trump. Their money matters, and they take the value of their money to somehow be a reflection of their value, but it's exactly the opposite: their only worth is their checkbook.
 
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5mn_Major said:
At the age of 16, Einstein tried to enter the Swiss Federal Polytechnic and was turned down. The point is that frequently scholastic standards are not determinant of applied intellect and ingenuity.
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Einstein was turned down because, even though he was exceedingly smart at that age and even tutored other students, he often disagreed with methods and assertions of his professors. That simply wasn't done at the time, and he was punished for it with his academic marks. His grades suffered some, but Einstein was almost 100% proven correct later in his life when it came to the disagreements he had with those professors who stuck to the old-line rigidity in their math classes.
 
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The myth of Einstein being bad at school comes from two places.

1. It's a way for stupid people who did poorly at school to feel good about themselves. "See, hurr, grades don't matter Einstein did poorly in school hurr see?!"

There are a lot of those people.

2. Einstein did not originally have a complete grasp of the mathematical tools (Riemannian geometry and other stuff waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond me) to describe his higher level concepts because he was a physicist and not a mathematician. He needed help from this guy.
 
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St. Clown said:
Einstein was turned down because, even though he was exceedingly smart at that age and even tutored other students, he often disagreed with methods and assertions of his professors. That simply wasn't done at the time, and he was punished for it with his academic marks. His grades suffered some, but Einstein was almost 100% proven correct later in his life when it came to the disagreements he had with those professors who stuck to the old-line rigidity in their math classes.
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My favorite Einstein story that proves he was right about nearly everything: He once called dark matter/energy* the greatest mistake of his life. Weird how that works. Even Einstein was wrong to bet against Einstein.

*i can never remember if it was dark matter or energy.
 
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Kepler said:
2. Einstein did not originally have a complete grasp the mathematical tools (tensor calculus and other stuff way beyond me) to describe his higher level concepts, because he was a physicist and not a mathematician. He needed help from this guy.
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Which reminds me of another apocryphal story about one of the giants of thought from that era. Again, I can’t remember the name, but the guy was brilliant at the theory and thought questions but sucked at doing the actual math to prove his theories. So he had his dad do all of the complex math associated with it.

I’m pretty sure it was one of the Hs: Hilbert, Heisenberg, Henry, etc. but a quick google search doesn’t turn anything up.
 
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Kepler said:
By your ideology, F. Scott Fitzgerald didn't give the world Gatzby, his publisher did.
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How fitting that you used Gatsby as an example.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Which reminds me of another apocryphal story about one of the giants of thought from that era. Again, I can’t remember the name, but the guy was brilliant at the theory and thought questions but sucked at doing the actual math to prove his theories. So he had his dad do all of the complex math associated with it.

I’m pretty sure it was one of the Hs: Hilbert, Heisenberg, Henry, etc. but a quick google search doesn’t turn anything up.
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Are you talking about Bill and Felix Browder?

(That family: Earl --> Felix --> Bill -> Joshua, gets my vote for weirdest family of all time. They are so bizarre you couldn't write them as fiction.)
 
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burd said:
How fitting that you used Gatsby as an example.
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I'd love to say it was a conscious choice, but nope. Great catch.
 
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Kepler said:
Are you talking about Bill and Felix Browder?

(That family: Earl --> Felix --> Bill, gets my vote for weirdest family of all time. They are so bizarre you couldn't write them as fiction.)
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Definitely not. We wouldn’t have been talking about them in a quantum mechanics class.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Commercial innovators have many options. An idea must wait for someone to use it. The iPhone 4S incorporated 10,000s ideas plus 1 Steve Jobs.

Who invented digital media storage? Kane Kramer. Though he held the patent for a while, he couldn't afford to renew the worldwide patent on his idea. Because the patent had expired by the time MP3 players became a big business, he didn't make any money from his original idea when it started showing up in everyone's pocket in the 2000s.

Kramer's contribution was great. But the concept was largely irrelevant until Steve Jobs changed peoples lives with said concept...and as a result, he is a real world snowflake and you know more about him than you do some of your own cousins.
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Ok, so what brilliant idea is the Tesla car or the Rocket X rocket? Neither are original at all. Musk's first car was a Lotus with an electric motor and a bank made up of computer batteries. How is that original? Even the concepts of self driving dates back to before Musk made his billions.

The only really innovative idea that Musk sponsors is how the rocket stages are recovered, and I very much doubt that was his idea.

Otherwise, the electric car is over 100 years old and the rocket is pretty close to 80. I thank you for your media storage point, as that was innovative, and led to further innovative ideas (like the MP3 player). That's very much not Musk Co.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Definitely not. We wouldn’t have been talking about them in a quantum mechanics class.
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The Heisenbergs are a fun lineage too: August --> Werner --> Martin --> Benjamin.
 
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St. Clown said:
Einstein was turned down because, even though he was exceedingly smart at that age and even tutored other students, he often disagreed with methods and assertions of his professors. That simply wasn't done at the time, and he was punished for it with his academic marks. His grades suffered some, but Einstein was almost 100% proven correct later in his life when it came to the disagreements he had with those professors who stuck to the old-line rigidity in their math classes.
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So...based on that, is scholastic success a great predictor of the best and brightest in the real world? That's been the point all along.

alphablue said:
Ok, so what brilliant idea is the Tesla car or the Rocket X rocket? Neither are original at all. Musk's first car was a Lotus with an electric motor and a bank made up of computer batteries. How is that original? Even the concepts of self driving dates back to before Musk made his billions.
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What was so brilliant of the idea behind the Tesla, a successful Space X rocket or your cell phone? They improve peoples lives to the extent that they want to pay large sums of money for the opportunity to use them. That's the bright idea.

Seriously. How do you define a great idea?

alphablue said:
The only really innovative idea that Musk sponsors is how the rocket stages are recovered, and I very much doubt that was his idea.

Otherwise, the electric car is over 100 years old and the rocket is pretty close to 80. I thank you for your media storage point, as that was innovative, and led to further innovative ideas (like the MP3 player). That's very much not Musk Co.
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The personal electric car did nothing for 100 years. In 2000, the concept was largely dead. Tesla launched in 2003, EVs arrived the first year of Tesla's Roadster, people buy $75B worth of EVs every year and Tesla has number one market share. Yeah, Musk didn't do anything.
 
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5mn_Major said:
So...based on that, is scholastic success a great predictor of the best and brightest in the real world? That's been the point all along.
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You're misconstruing the original intent of the argument. Most commonly, smarter people get better grades in school. It's not always the case, but it's the general rule.

Holding to that general rule, the premise was used to indicate career paths taken by people. People of greatest intelligence are in the theoretical and experimental sciences and math, people just below that rung are the engineers who fuel the ability of companies like 3M, Tesla, Space-X, and DuPont, and then you have the business people another tier below them.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The personal electric car did nothing for 100 years. In 2000, the concept was largely dead. Tesla launched in 2003, EVs arrived the first year of Tesla's Roadster, people buy $75B worth of EVs every year and Tesla has number one market share. Yeah, Musk didn't do anything.
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Sounds like Tesla is better at marketing than previous companies that gave EV a go.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Sounds like Tesla is better at marketing than previous companies that gave EV a go.
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Tesla also improved the batteries, which was their single major advancement with regards to technology.
 
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