Save Uah Hockey!

[streaker]

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First, I'd ask you to reread what I wrote. I expect schools to act in their best interests. Like I said, that's fine and to be expected, and it's fine if the UAH decision was in the CCHA's best interest. You may find it a fake excuse in believing that the WCHA was only acting in its best interests, but for many UAH fans, and college hockey fans in general, saving BSU's program was also in the "best interest of college hockey." We're sorry if the CCHA feels that it was hurt in the process, but many of us do not find this to be a zero-sum event. Even if UAH folds, we believe that BSU is worth saving and that the cost to CCHA (in losing a member who was all-too-willing to leave) was not high in the process.

In the meantime, feel free to protect CCHA from "unfair" attacks. In response, I will feel free to criticize the CCHA for its decision because I think that the only team that's getting the "unfair" treatment to me is UAH. So, I'm sorry if I didn't find the CCHA's public-stated reasons to be legitimate (as countless articles and posts have debunked these reasons). And as for the reasons given by Weston, I apologize if I don't find her tin-foil hat BTHC excuse to be legitimate. And please forgive us if we don't buy her argument that accepting UAH would lead to the death of countless small school programs.

But just look at what I asked the CCHA to do. I asked for transparency and honesty. That's it. If they can't drop the BS (such as ridiculously vague and rather insulting comments about UAH's "lack of commitment" to hockey) and start giving some honest answers, they deserve to be attacked. And that's what I call, "fair."

So this has now become a circular argument. W fans claim that taking on UNO and BSU was not necessarily in their best interests, but in the best interests of college hockey, where the CCHA is purely being self serving and ignorant in their reason spin for rejecting UAH. I get it now.

This has evolved to Howard Dean versus Sarah Palin.

 

[tnlong]

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....This has evolved to Howard Dean versus Sarah Palin.

Note that evolution doesn't exist in a Palin world.

 

[streaker]

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Note that evolution doesn't exist in a Palin world.

That's true. On both accounts.

 

[wnickelson]

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[BlueDevil98]

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So this has now become a circular argument. W fans claim that taking on UNO and BSU was not necessarily in their best interests, but in the best interests of college hockey, where the CCHA is purely being self serving and ignorant in their reason spin for rejecting UAH. I get it now.

This has evolved to Howard Dean versus Sarah Palin.

Again, I didn't say that. I said that they acted in their own best interests, and in the eyes of many fans, ALSO in the best interests of college hockey. And I didn't say that the CCHA was being self-serving and ignorant--I only requested a little transparency in the process. If the decision were a little more transparent and honest, then by nature, we would know exactly what is going on, instead of the endless speculation that we've had on message boards and in the press.

I mean, what the hell?!? I didn't even require that the CCHA accept UAH to do the "right thing," I only asked them to be more transparent and honest with them. When it comes to the death of a program, I didn't realize that this transparency and honesty was costing the CCHA that much.

Ugh, I'm done with this.

 

[BlueDevil98]

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This has evolved to Howard Dean versus Sarah Palin.

When it comes to two people who completely don't understand where the other is coming from, I'll have to agree.

 

[streaker]

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Again, I didn't say that. I said that they acted in their own best interests, and in the eyes of many fans, ALSO in the best interests of college hockey. And I didn't say that the CCHA was being self-serving and ignorant--I only requested a little transparency in the process. If the decision were a little more transparent and honest, then by nature, we would know exactly what is going on, instead of the endless speculation that we've had on message boards and in the press.

I mean, what the hell?!? I didn't even require that the CCHA accept UAH to do the "right thing," I only asked them to be more transparent and honest with them. When it comes to the death of a program, I didn't realize that this transparency and honesty was costing the CCHA that much.

Ugh, I'm done with this.

I didn't target my comments specifically to you.

Maybe that is because the assumption is, the CCHA owes everybody a valid explanation as to why they rejected UAH at this time, instead of the vague mumbling coming out of certain pockets of the CCHA. The only one they owe anything to is the UAH administration.

 

[streaker]

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When it comes to two people who completely don't understand where the other is coming from, I'll have to agree.

Maybe. But it would be good to wait until all of the dust settles before jumping to a conclusion.

In reference to my example, there are people on two polar opposites of this argument, maybe out of misunderstanding and maybe just out of spite.

 

[gfmorris]

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Point of fact: if you're presuming that there's been no contact between UAH and the CCHA since the initial round of quotes after the rejection, you're wrong. I am not at liberty to elaborate more, but know that dialogue has continued...

GFM

 

[cooperalls]

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Dialogue like???

CCHA Commish: We will reconsider UAH if they would play all CCHA games on the road until your rink is completed?

UAH AD: Yup!

CCHA Commish: Let me check with the AD's and coaches in the CCHA and see if that would be acceptable, I'll get back to you.

Click

Point of fact: if you're presuming that there's been no contact between UAH and the CCHA since the initial round of quotes after the rejection, you're wrong. I am not at liberty to elaborate more, but know that dialogue has continued...

GFM

 

[gfmorris]

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Dialogue like???

CCHA Commish: We will reconsider UAH if they would play all CCHA games on the road until your rink is completed?

UAH AD: Yup!

CCHA Commish: Let me check with the AD's and coaches in the CCHA and see if that would be acceptable, I'll get back to you.

Click

Why would we agree to that?

GFM

 

[Slap Shot]

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Why would we agree to that?

GFM

I think he's being snide/facetious.

 

[gfmorris]

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I think he's being snide/facetious.

I figured as much, but hey, it's a message board.

GFM

 

[BlueDevil98]

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Point of fact: if you're presuming that there's been no contact between UAH and the CCHA since the initial round of quotes after the rejection, you're wrong. I am not at liberty to elaborate more, but know that dialogue has continued...

GFM

If that's the case, then you've got no argument from my corner. As long as they treat UAH with respect, the CCHA is doing the right thing. But at the same time, people will criticize the CCHA as they see fit, given the lack of publicly known information.

 

[HoosierBBall_GopherHockey]

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So this has now become a circular argument. W fans claim that taking on UNO and BSU was not necessarily in their best interests, but in the best interests of college hockey, where the CCHA is purely being self serving and ignorant in their reason spin for rejecting UAH. I get it now.

This has evolved to Howard Dean versus Sarah Palin.

W fans? I hate George Bush. But I hope to God you're not trying to argue that what the CCHA did was in the best interest of college hockey by letting UAH potentially die.
And in the case of the WCHA, why can't what they did be both in their best interest AND in that of college hockey? I don't see why those have to be separated. Some argue that what the WCHA did was not in their best interest.

 

[Douglas]

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I keep reading that the CCHA may be loosing some smaller "limbs" so they don't want to let UAH in now... well, it seems to me that if you are potentially (or actually) going to loose smaller (read that as weaker) "limbs" then you just might want to take on, add, acquire, replace with a stronger more committed "limb" that has already shown they have the wherewithall to pay their dues. Does shrinking or withdrawing the league actually lead to more security??? I submit that it does not!!! Take the CHA as a prime example: shrinkage without replacement has lead to this situation. And furthermore, just who else out there are they waiting for? Penn State? Iowa? etc? Has any other school actually got another DI team ready to go? Oh wait, there is one...

 

[Mogerfan]

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I keep reading that the CCHA may be loosing some smaller "limbs" so they don't want to let UAH in now... well, it seems to me that if you are potentially (or actually) going to loose smaller (read that as weaker) "limbs" then you just might want to take on, add, acquire, replace with a stronger more committed "limb" that has already shown they have the wherewithall to pay their dues. Does shrinking or withdrawing the league actually lead to more security??? I submit that it does not!!!

That argument certainly makes sense for Anastos and all the folks at CCHA HQ, but they don't get a vote. The members schools vote, and if you are one of those weak limbs being told to cut costs wherever possible, then adding a geographic outlier to your league might not make sense to you. It would only take a couple schools voting that way to block UAH.

 

[gfmorris]

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That argument certainly makes sense for Anastos and all the folks at CCHA HQ, but they don't get a vote. The members schools vote, and if you are one of those weak limbs being told to cut costs wherever possible, then adding a geographic outlier to your league might not make sense to you. It would only take a couple schools voting that way to block UAH.

We understand that, and it's why we offered a travel package. Apparently, that wasn't enough.

GFM

 

[aparch]

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Point of fact: if you're presuming that there's been no contact between UAH and the CCHA since the initial round of quotes after the rejection, you're wrong. I am not at liberty to elaborate more, but know that dialogue has continued...

GFM

I'm absolutely SHOCKED that there has been a continued dialogue between UAH and the CCHA. Why, with everything I've read between the WCHA fanatics and you UAH'ers, I would have thought that Tom Anastos personally drove to Huntsville to dig the grave for NCAA Division I college hockey south of the Mason-Dixon line. Bust out your "Jump to Conclusions" mats everyone!

We understand that, and it's why we offered a travel package. Apparently, that wasn't enough.

GFM

Saving a clear cut $20,000 on a trip to Omaha by axing them off the schedule versus spending only $10,000 for a weekend to Alabama.
If I'm an Athletic Director or Hockey Ops staff at any school not named "Michigan" or "Michigan State" I'm ecstatic to not be spending 20K on a weekend trip.

 

[Dirty]

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I'm absolutely SHOCKED that there has been a continued dialogue between UAH and the CCHA. Why, with everything I've read between the WCHA fanatics and you UAH'ers, I would have thought that Tom Anastos personally drove to Huntsville to dig the grave for NCAA Division I college hockey south of the Mason-Dixon line. Bust out your "Jump to Conclusions" mats everyone!

Perhaps if the CCHA hadn't acted like a complete bag of dicks about this situation, people outside of the CCHA would have given them the benefit of the doubt. But when they seemingly refuse to give any information about their decision and generally act like UAH isn't good enough for them, people aren't going to react positively.