Sandusky/Penn State scandal

[MountieBoyOz]

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Flipping through ESPN Radio I actually heard something I agree Colin Cowherd on. The NCAA will look past this and say there was no lack of institutional control in the case of Sandusky touching boys, but he couldn't be a recruit a t-shirt. They have their priorities messed up.

 

[Handyman]

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Such a hollow statement, given what we know happened in 2002.

Much more hollow to those who think he got a copy of the investigation in 1998, or knew of it prior to that.

You grieve now, but you didn't a decade ago. You pray now, but what about in 2002? Did you pray then for their comfort and relief?

WAAAAAYYYY to late to pretend that you can take the moral high ground, Joe. Based on a simple report, you took the legal ground, and no more. Why? Only you know, Joe. Was it worth it?

Not only that but acting like you are doing the school a favor by retiring at the end of the season? Screw that how arrogant can you be? If you really felt bad and you really wanted to make things easy on the BoT you would step down now.

I am losing more and more respect for this guy by the hour.

 

[J.D.]

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Flipping through ESPN Radio I actually heard something I agree Colin Cowherd on. The NCAA will look past this and say there was no lack of institutional control in the case of Sandusky touching boys, but he couldn't be a recruit a t-shirt. They have their priorities messed up.

There's no need for the NCAA to get involved right now. The authorities are ready to take down everyone necessary. BTW, the difference here is one is against the law, one isn't. The NCAA intervenes when it doesn't involve law enforcement.

 

[Runsub5]

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At a minimum, the Board of Trustees has to suspend the coach. He can't be allowed to serve as coach for the remaining games. Also, the institution needs to be cleansed of this horror, the President has to go.

 

[rufus]

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If stubborn Joe had his way, he'd be "coaching" at PSU until he dies in the press box.

Fixed it for you. It's my understanding that he's rarely, if ever, on the field coaching these days. Not even on a headset in the press box.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Such a hollow statement, given what we know happened in 2002....

Not only that but acting like you are doing the school a favor by retiring at the end of the season...

I'm actually surprised more people have not jumped on his statement, as I also see it as mostly self-serving spin and nothing more than that. He also sets up the university, almost daring them to fire him or take any other action against him by putting it out there for his supporters that the university should not waste another minute on him, instead focusing only on everything else they need to do.

The cult of personality that surrounds Paterno is -- or more accurately was -- a fascinating thing for me to watch when I lived in PA. My old office in State College is where Sandusky's Second Mile is now located believe it or not. Paterno was elevated to something beyond iconic. Of course that isn't true of only Joe Paterno. Plenty of statues surround my own stadium, and we talk of former coaches as if they were all much more than just that. But with Paterno it almost seemed creepy at times. It was as if every single person in PA wanted to tell me about how Joe Paterno personally impacted their lives, like he had a personal hand in helping them out in some time of crises. Sort of a Tony Robbins vibe. When I was there Penn State's football program was living through just their second and third losing seasons in Paterno's tenure, and if someone so much as wondered if his time was coming sooner rather than later, his defenders would come out of the woodwork and act like you were questioning their religion. When the Harrisburg Patriot News openly feuded with Paterno I knew people who would refuse to read the paper, despite it's reputation as one of the better news organizations out there.

 

[alfablue]

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Re- cult of personality. Just had a discussion with a co-worker, who is a staunch PennState fan even though he went to Illinois.

First, he doubted what JoePa knew, even though his report to the AD and President has now resulted in them being charged. So I read him the part of the report where JoePa is testifying the information he told the AD ",and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sextual nature to a young boy."

Again, that's a direct quote from the Grand Jury report, and that is from JoePa's testimony.

Instead of doubting JoePa's morality, he just vehemently questioned why didn't the AD do something, or why didn't the GA do something....

No- they didn't do anything either. But it's kind of stunning that one would defelct moral responsibility to everyone else and not the big guy.

Paterno knew something criminal happened. To a young boy. He testified that. Did nothing but what his legal responsibility required of him. No moral high ground taken. No prayers or thoughts of the victims in 2002.

My friend was adamant that the athletic department probably was doing an investigation, and that the cops were not needed. Wait, you want a department that is responsible for athletic progams to perform a criminal investigation, as opposed to specialists, say, the police? Really?

Instead of a real criminal investigation, to see if a CRIME was comitted, having Jerry's keys being taken away was good enough.

That's the cult of JoePersonality.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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The circus just keeps growing...

 

[Old Pio]

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Under the circumstances, this was inevitable. And Graham Spanier's next. Regardless of the facts, and any mitigating circumstances, the Board of Trustees had to cut the university's losses here. They really didn't have a choice. And the question of whether Paterno jumped or was pushed is essentially moot. I was expecting Paterno to retire at the end of this season anyway. Whether Paterno stays through the end of the season is a calculation the trustees will have to make. They will have to consider appearing to be cruel to the old man, something they would want to avoid.

To me, this is the ugliest saddest chapter ever in college sports. But we need to realize this kind of conduct isn't common. It's not as if college locker rooms are full of middle aged pedophiles preying on young kids. The lesson that needs to be learned here is how important it is to followup on credible information about criminal behavior.

Still, many people have behaved unfairly here. There is a whiff of triumphalism in some of our posts. And I'm reminded that in the old days, white folks would proudly pose for pictures with the victim of a lynching. It seems to me that the instinct to punish someone without hearing his side of the story is not in our tradition. And is itself ugly.

 

[Priceless]

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The circus just keeps growing...

It'd be a real shame if the football team decided to run laps and their picket line just happened to be in the way.

 

[Old Pio]

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It'd be a real shame if the football team decided to run laps and their picket line just happened to be in the way.

As repulsive as these people are, you have to give them credit for maximizing earned media. They don't have to spend a dime promoting themselves. Just issue a release, and the news media and the commentariat step up to help them get the word out. Ignoring them is hard, but we have to do it.

 

[J.D.]

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The circus just keeps growing...

The church says the game takes place between "two doomed states" and calls retiring Penn State coach Joe Paterno "the Pope of Happy Valley."

Two doomed states? What the hell does that mean? Also, what exactly are they picketing against? Knowing them, they'll be holding signs condemning the victims for being gay

Still, many people have behaved unfairly here. There is a whiff of triumphalism in some of our posts. And I'm reminded that in the old days, white folks would proudly pose for pictures with the victim of a lynching. It seems to me that the instinct to punish someone without hearing his side of the story is not in our tradition. And is itself ugly.

If you're specifically referring to Paterno, he's not being punished.

 

[Old Pio]

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The church says the game takes place between "two doomed states" and calls retiring Penn State coach Joe Paterno "the Pope of Happy Valley."

Two doomed states? What the hell does that mean? Also, what exactly are they picketing against? Knowing them, they'll be holding signs condemning the victims for being gay



If you're specifically referring to Paterno, he's not being punished.

I think most people not blinded by self righteousness, as you appear to be, would disagree. You're the guy who wants to interrogate Sue Paterno and Mrs. Sandusky. So it's clear nothing short of the pillory would satisfy you.

 

[Priceless]

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The church says the game takes place between "two doomed states" and calls retiring Penn State coach Joe Paterno "the Pope of Happy Valley."

Two doomed states? What the hell does that mean? Also, what exactly are they picketing against? Knowing them, they'll be holding signs condemning the victims for being gay

Nebraska and Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania for rejecting Creationism/ID but I'm not sure what Nebraska did.

Edit:Maybe this?

 

[SteveP]

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Players' reaction to today's announcement:

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[J.D.]

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I think most people not blinded by self righteousness, as you appear to be, would disagree. You're the guy who wants to interrogate Sue Paterno and Mrs. Sandusky. So it's clear nothing short of the pillory would satisfy you.

Hahahaha, so an 84 year old who can't even speak, let alone actually coach retiring is a punishment in your eyes? Give me a ****ing break. I know you like using big words, but this has absolutely nothing to do with me being self-righteous. There are plenty of people who don't view this as a "punishment". Also, what the **** is wrong with authorities asking Mrs. Sandusky and Sue Paterno what they know? Are you kidding me?

 

[Old Pio]

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Hahahaha, so an 84 year old who can't even speak, let alone actually coach retiring is a punishment in your eyes? Give me a ****ing break. I know you like using big words, but this has absolutely nothing to do with me being self-righteous. There are plenty of people who don't view this as a "punishment". Also, what the **** is wrong with authorities asking Mrs. Sandusky and Sue Paterno what they know? Are you kidding me?

I think the more appropriate question here, given your relentless sanctimony, is: "Are you kidding us?"

 

[J.D.]

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I think the more appropriate question here, given your relentless sanctimony, is: "Are you kidding us?"

Sanctimony? Another good one. And who's "us"? It's YOUR opinion. You don't speak for other people. If I had to guess, nobody's gonna be rushing to your defense here and agree with you that him retiring is a punishment. We shall see...

 

[Old Pio]

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Sanctimony? Another good one. And who's "us"? It's YOUR opinion. You don't speak for other people. If I had to guess, nobody's gonna be rushing to your defense here and agree with you that him retiring is a punishment. We shall see...

Pity you find commonly used words too difficult to comprehend. It's clear I'm going to have to be more proactive in helping you understand what I'm getting at. The "us" I was referring to was all of the posters. . Some of whom agree with me, some of whom don't. But someone who thinks it's appropriate to interrogate and humiliate two innocent women in this matter isn't exactly the one to set the moral parameters of our discussion. I believe you're over the line here. Way over. What would satisfy you? Prison for Paterno? Flogging? What? His reputation has been damaged. He's giving up the job that's been his whole life under these circumstances. To you this isn't punishment. I believe many others would disagree.

 

[alfablue]

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At least we get confirmation that the "program" is more important then victims. Who were sexually assulted. And were little kids. And people defend the "greatness" that managed to keep this covered up for a minimum of 7 years of further abuse. Cool.

If Sandusky is not guilty, why wasn't there a real, criminal investigation in 1998, when child services got involved, or in 2002, when there was a witness to an alleged crime? Why did it take an alleged incident in a different local school to bring on a criminal investigation in 2009? Any time there, we could have figured out that a real criminal investigation done by the proper authorities was finished. The grand jury report shows a complete absence of that.

Why did Joe Paterno, who new that a crime against a little kid had allegedly taken place, not made sure of this criminal investigation, since the alleged crime happened at a facility that he is ultimately responsible for?

Of all that, it's really funny that the players call it a crime that Paterno is being forced to retire, when an actual crime, with a minor victim took place, and Joe Paterno did the minimum that he was required to do under law. As did the GA and his father.

It's funny how Joe Paterno asks people to think of the victims and pray for them, when, by his testimony, he didn't do much to help them in 2002.

Yea, I no longer think Penn State has any position to put themselves in some kind of moral high grounds.

So kids graduated, and they didn't cheat (or at least get caught). wooo, hooo. Ask the victims if they feel better since the progam is so clean.