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Sandusky/Penn State scandal

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Please reread my previous post, it may come through to you. I'm always an optimist.

No thanks, once was more than enough.

All of you baying for the coach's head had no interest whatsoever in hearing his side of the story.

I'd actually love to hear what he has to say. Problem now is he's 84 and if you've heard him recently, it's not a comfortable situation. Even then, no matter what he says, it won't change the fact that some people believe he simply didn't do enough after he was told by McQueary.

And you seriously think interrogating the wives would help here?

How do you know it wouldn't? It certainly wouldn't hurt. Wow, you would be the world's worst investigator.

Yeah. Maybe they could taze her to loosen her up. Cuffs for sure. Are you people even paying attention to what you're saying? This is crazy.

Haha, do you realize that you can investigate/interview old women pretty easily? You could do it in the comfort of their own home.
 
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Hmmm, maybe the kids whose lives are ruined?
Newbie. This thread should be focused on the people here and how righteous they are. Right where it is. Took a while to get here, but here it is.

Kudos everyone!
 
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I don't really care how off topic it was. I could not let that disgusting comment go.
You are "against" hate crimes. Point noted. Time to move on.

Paterno's meeting with Curry, his supervisor, is held at Paterno's house. If you're reporting a crime to your boss, wouldn't you go to his office?

http://www.laramieboomerang.com/articles/2011/11/09/ap/sports/fbc_penn_state_chronology.txt

1969 _ Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.

1977 _ Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983 _ Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987 _ Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994 _ Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95 _ Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96 _ Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97 _ Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98 _ Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998 _ Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.

1998 _ Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999 _ Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999 _ Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000 _ Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000 _ A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002 _ A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002 _ In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002 _ Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002 _ Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate) _ The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-2006 _ Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007 _ During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008 _ Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009 _ An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010 _ Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011 _ Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011 _ Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011 _ Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011 _ Paterno announces he'll retire at the end of the season.
 
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The Penn State Scandal, Take Two

The Penn State Scandal, Take Two

The board moderator locked the previous thread as it broke down into a flamewar. Let's keep the focus where it should be and try to discuss this like rational adults.

I'm starting this thread because it's going to be discussed and I'd really rather not have it take place in the College Football thread. Hopefully we won't give Board reason to lock this thread as well.
 
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From Penn State to State Penn - The Jerry Sandusky Story...

"Curley meets at Paterno's house," certainly a strange location to report a crime to your "boss." What with all the National Championship trophies, celebrity photos and Penn State footballs laying about.

Then since matter is so important, Curley waits until "later in the month" to meet with the graduate assistant. And why does the Senior Vice President for Finance and Business have to be at that meeting?

And then Curley and Schultz allegedly lie to the Grand Jury about the meeting or what was said at the meeting. Ouch.
 
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Statement from the Acting AD at Penn State
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Statement from the Acting AD at Penn State

Good Statement:

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Dumb Statement:

"The allegations about a former coach are troubling, and it is appropriate that they be investigated thoroughly. Protecting children requires the utmost vigilance.

With regard to the other presentments, I wish to say that Tim Curley and Gary Schultz have my unconditional support. I have known and worked daily with Tim and Gary for more than 16 years. I have complete confidence in how they have handled the allegations about a former University employee.

Tim Curley and Gary Schultz operate at the highest levels of honesty, integrity and compassion. I am confident the record will show that these charges are groundless and that they conducted themselves professionally and appropriately."



Graham Spanie, PSU Prez
 
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Then since matter is so important, Curley waits until "later in the month" to meet with the graduate assistant. And why does the Senior Vice President for Finance and Business have to be at that meeting?

Perhaps because the Senior Vice President for Finance and Business was also the guy in charge of the campus police department. Why that fell under his purview, I don't know.
 
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Perhaps because the Senior Vice President for Finance and Business was also the guy in charge of the campus police department. Why that fell under his purview, I don't know.
Fair enough, but it appears from reading his bio that his background was an "engineer" who oversaw various construction projects over his years at Penn State.

"Schultz earned bachelor's and master’s degrees in industrial engineering at Penn State and began his career with the University in 1971. Until 1995, he handled various administrative responsibilities related to business operations, finance, and technology. He has served in his current role since 1995, leading F&B's over 5,000 full-time, part-time and student employees in 10 units.

Since 2000, Schultz has chaired the Penn State Investment Council, which is responsible for investing endowment funds totaling more than $1.6 billion. Among several other affiliations and programs, he also played a major role in the planning and construction of numerous University facilities including Innovation Park and The Penn Stater Conference Centre Hotel."
 
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I do NOT want to be a Penn State student/alum right now. What on God's green earth do you do?

Do you go to the game this Saturday? You go, you're accused of putting football ahead of the victims and supporting what just happened. You don't, you end up not supporting the team, band, etc. who deserve support and had nothing to do with this.

Continue supporting your alma mater financially? Congratulations on supporting a school who let a pederast run wild. Withdraw financial support? Look little Johnny in the eye and tell him he's not going to college because of something someone else did long ago.

Years from now, someone is going to look at their resume, see "Penn State" and this scandal will be what comes to mind. People probably chose Penn State because it had a reputation for doing the right thing and acting honorably, thanks almost in whole to their football program. Their entire reason for choosing Penn State is now dust. Their reputations are forever sullied for something beyond their control.

There is a massive character test ahead for a lot of people.

NO ONE wins when something like this happens. :(
 
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Fair enough, but it appears from reading his bio that his background was an "engineer" who oversaw $1.6 billion worth on construction projects over his years at Penn State.
dggoddard, I think you should repost that timeline you had in your last post in the other thread. I didn't noticed that thread before it closed but have been following this story since it broke. It is extremely amazing to me that janitors and graduate assistants chose not to intervene in the situation and call police immediately. If I ever encountered something like this, you can bet that my first reaction would not have been to tell my boss, it would have been 911. I mean this isn't catching someone smoking pot or something.
 
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that was a flamewar? we are getting soft.
 
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Re: The Penn State Scandal, Take Two

dggoddard, I think you should repost that timeline you had in your last post in the other thread. I didn't noticed that thread before it closed but have been following this story since it broke. It is extremely amazing to me that janitors and graduate assistants chose not to intervene in the situation and call police immediately. If I ever encountered something like this, you can bet that my first reaction would not have been to tell my boss, it would have been 911. I mean this isn't catching someone smoking pot or something.
Not sure we should be blaming the poor janitors. But here's the timeline...

http://www.laramieboomerang.com/arti...chronology.txt

1969 _ Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.

1977 _ Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983 _ Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987 _ Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994 _ Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95 _ Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96 _ Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97 _ Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98 _ Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998 _ Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.

1998 _ Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999 _ Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999 _ Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000 _ Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000 _ A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002 _ A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002 _ In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002 _ Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002 _ Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate) _ The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-2006 _ Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007 _ During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008 _ Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009 _ An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010 _ Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011 _ Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011 _ Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011 _ Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011 _ Paterno announces he'll retire at the end of the season.
 
Re: The Penn State Scandal, Take Two

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What is really sick about all this...is that people like Sundusky find ways to be close to children so they can continue to commit their crimes. That is something powerful to think of.
 
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I think OP got himself banned, so that might help things stay a little more on track here in round two.

Unless someone else here wants to step up and take over the role of "Batsheet-crazy old fart."
 
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