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Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
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creasemonkey
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Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
You don't even want people to start tearing apart your posts! Oh, I forgot, I've already done that. FP hasn't lost any credibility - an honest mistake is an honest mistake. Let me guess, you don't make any mistakes cause you have nail holes in the palms of your hands? And so, the story continues...
You don't even want people to start tearing apart your posts! Oh, I forgot, I've already done that. FP hasn't lost any credibility - an honest mistake is an honest mistake. Let me guess, you don't make any mistakes cause you have nail holes in the palms of your hands? And so, the story continues...
creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
OK, whatever you say, it's because I'm selfish.
That's because you're selfish.
OK, whatever you say, it's because I'm selfish.
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
creasemonkey,
I do not see you as selfish. However, running up the score is not a 'conviction' - it is a deliberate 'decision'. More often than not, it is a bad one. Being competitive is a wonderful thing; if it concludes some element of compassion along with it.
creasemonkey,
I do not see you as selfish. However, running up the score is not a 'conviction' - it is a deliberate 'decision'. More often than not, it is a bad one. Being competitive is a wonderful thing; if it concludes some element of compassion along with it.
5 4 Fighting
New member
creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Not to show disrespect toward your opinion, but there is a time and a place for compassion - it's called social work and community service. I do that too, but I leave compassion on the sidelines or wherever else it needs to be left when I put on a uniform to compete in athletics. With convictions come decisions, to either be true to your convictions, or not. I don't think you "compassionate" types would fare very well in boxing or tae kwon do. What always troubles me is where do you decide to draw the line. At what point do you draw the line and say this is where it's starts being considered "running up the score"? No one seems to be able to answer that question and that's because it's purely subjective and random. Is it OK to beat a team by 9 goals but not by 10? By 12 but not 13? Is it OK to take 75shots compared to another team's 10 shots if only 5 of yours go in, but not if 12 of them go in? Seriously, what criteria do you use? Maybe there should just be a 10-goal rule and then call the game. Would that save the team getting hammered some embarrassment? I don't think so.
Not to show disrespect toward your opinion, but there is a time and a place for compassion - it's called social work and community service. I do that too, but I leave compassion on the sidelines or wherever else it needs to be left when I put on a uniform to compete in athletics. With convictions come decisions, to either be true to your convictions, or not. I don't think you "compassionate" types would fare very well in boxing or tae kwon do. What always troubles me is where do you decide to draw the line. At what point do you draw the line and say this is where it's starts being considered "running up the score"? No one seems to be able to answer that question and that's because it's purely subjective and random. Is it OK to beat a team by 9 goals but not by 10? By 12 but not 13? Is it OK to take 75shots compared to another team's 10 shots if only 5 of yours go in, but not if 12 of them go in? Seriously, what criteria do you use? Maybe there should just be a 10-goal rule and then call the game. Would that save the team getting hammered some embarrassment? I don't think so.
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
I don't like running up the score either....but as many mentioned, there are points to both sides. At the very least, the scores got some chatter going on in another forum (a forum for medical professionals) so at least that's a plus. A little buzz is always good for the game. lol. I guess......
Quit teasing us with this statement!
I don't like running up the score either....but as many mentioned, there are points to both sides. At the very least, the scores got some chatter going on in another forum (a forum for medical professionals) so at least that's a plus. A little buzz is always good for the game. lol. I guess......
dontyelldad
old n slo
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Sorry, this is wrong.
Did you lose the message of "Terras Irradient" or did I misread your connection?
Showing respect for an opponent AND FOR THE GAME is not "compassion." It's a matter of survival. If you do not respect your opponents, you will soon HAVE NO OPPONENTS ...
You do not kick an opponent when he/she's down, you do not sucker-punch, and you do not pull your goalie with a minute left in a 10-1 rout.
Whether you need to have your players pelting the goalie in the last 30 seconds trying to score the 12th goal, or their first Olympic goals, or whatever, is between you and your conscience, and your philosophy as to whether you need to maintain full intensity (against a clearly dominated opponent) during a short tournament.
Same dilemma in football, where teams keep their starters in meaningless games toward the end of the season: Can they "turn it back on" when they need to? Depends on the team and the personnel, I suppose. Resting players (while possibly giving up the opportunity to complete an undefeated season) seems to have worked for the Saints and Colts this year.
But you don't pull your goalie ... and you don't leave a hanger at the blue line, you don't call time out to give your top line another shift ... probably some other things -- things that fall into the category of COACHING DECISIONS -- that you don't do.
Not out of compassion, but out of respect for the game.
As for the boxing and tae kwon do reference, I picked up a lot of this philosophy on the wrestling mat. Where one of the lessons was, if you want to get better, you will get the stuffing kicked out of you along the way. If you're at all involved in martial arts, I'm surprised you haven't picked up on this approach.
Sorry, this is wrong.
Did you lose the message of "Terras Irradient" or did I misread your connection?
Showing respect for an opponent AND FOR THE GAME is not "compassion." It's a matter of survival. If you do not respect your opponents, you will soon HAVE NO OPPONENTS ...
You do not kick an opponent when he/she's down, you do not sucker-punch, and you do not pull your goalie with a minute left in a 10-1 rout.
Whether you need to have your players pelting the goalie in the last 30 seconds trying to score the 12th goal, or their first Olympic goals, or whatever, is between you and your conscience, and your philosophy as to whether you need to maintain full intensity (against a clearly dominated opponent) during a short tournament.
Same dilemma in football, where teams keep their starters in meaningless games toward the end of the season: Can they "turn it back on" when they need to? Depends on the team and the personnel, I suppose. Resting players (while possibly giving up the opportunity to complete an undefeated season) seems to have worked for the Saints and Colts this year.
But you don't pull your goalie ... and you don't leave a hanger at the blue line, you don't call time out to give your top line another shift ... probably some other things -- things that fall into the category of COACHING DECISIONS -- that you don't do.
Not out of compassion, but out of respect for the game.
As for the boxing and tae kwon do reference, I picked up a lot of this philosophy on the wrestling mat. Where one of the lessons was, if you want to get better, you will get the stuffing kicked out of you along the way. If you're at all involved in martial arts, I'm surprised you haven't picked up on this approach.
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
First off, I thought it was Belarus that got beat, and that the shots against were 139-0 which means that more than every 2nd shot went in. Apparently their goalie was a traffic cone. Please correct me if it wasn't Belarus, but I think the Slovaks have more of a fight with Belarus than Bulgaria (since the Belarussians were their overlords during Dubcek's time) and politically would enjoy embarrassing them.
So, the hockey gods called for some vengeance and the Canadians were appointed? I have no problem with that -- if they've been appointed and anointed, I don't mind rooting for Canada (I root for half their gals down here). 18-0 was rubbing it in and an Olympic record, but I don't think CN wud have done it if they hadn't heard of Slovakia's feat first.
First off, I thought it was Belarus that got beat, and that the shots against were 139-0 which means that more than every 2nd shot went in. Apparently their goalie was a traffic cone. Please correct me if it wasn't Belarus, but I think the Slovaks have more of a fight with Belarus than Bulgaria (since the Belarussians were their overlords during Dubcek's time) and politically would enjoy embarrassing them.
So, the hockey gods called for some vengeance and the Canadians were appointed? I have no problem with that -- if they've been appointed and anointed, I don't mind rooting for Canada (I root for half their gals down here). 18-0 was rubbing it in and an Olympic record, but I don't think CN wud have done it if they hadn't heard of Slovakia's feat first.
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creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
I'm not sure what point or points you are trying to make here. But what is interesting, is that I never said any of what you allude to, so where did you get the notion that I did? Since when do you play the game for "survival" only so you have opponents?? That's an interesting concept. And just for the record, I wouldn't do any of this if I had a substantial lead (whatever I might define as substantial in any given game): "But you don't pull your goalie ... and you don't leave a hanger at the blue line, you don't call time out to give your top line another shift ... probably some other things -- things that fall into the category of COACHING DECISIONS -- that you don't do." I couldn't ever conceive of leaving a hanger at the blue line even if I was down by 15 - that's just cheap and not the way I would want to play the game.
I'm not sure what point or points you are trying to make here. But what is interesting, is that I never said any of what you allude to, so where did you get the notion that I did? Since when do you play the game for "survival" only so you have opponents?? That's an interesting concept. And just for the record, I wouldn't do any of this if I had a substantial lead (whatever I might define as substantial in any given game): "But you don't pull your goalie ... and you don't leave a hanger at the blue line, you don't call time out to give your top line another shift ... probably some other things -- things that fall into the category of COACHING DECISIONS -- that you don't do." I couldn't ever conceive of leaving a hanger at the blue line even if I was down by 15 - that's just cheap and not the way I would want to play the game.
5 4 Fighting
New member
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Whoa...you said it was your conviction (a fixed or firm belief). What is it with you? See that's why people don't get you...your all over the map.
Hint some people read more than one thread.
Whoa...you said it was your conviction (a fixed or firm belief). What is it with you? See that's why people don't get you...your all over the map.
Hint some people read more than one thread.
CanHockGuy
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creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
OK, maybe you need to go back to kindergarten to learn how to read. I said it is my conviction to play MY game; to compete to the best of my ability evry minute I'm on the ice. If that means we're up by 10, 12, 15, whatever, I'm not going to stop giving 110% effort - sorry, that's just not in my genetic makeup.
MY game does not include pulling the goalie when you have the lead. Hell, I wouldn't even pull the goalie in a tie game 99% of the time. The only time I would is if the game really means something - like if winning or losing might dictate whether or not the team would make the conference playoffs or could perhaps win the conference championship game. But, I would also never tell my players to pass the puck around and touch it four times before taking a shot on net because we're up by thirteen. And, no, I wouldn't be playing my first line, but I'd sure as heck tell my third and fourth lines to go out there and kick some ***. And there are some teams, like Amherst, that have four very talented lines, and if that were the case, I certainly wouldn't tell my players to stop playing and I wouldn't change my normal game strategy or tactics either. Does that clarify things for you? And that isn't being all over the map. If you think it is, maybe you should take an orienteering class while you're at it...
OK, maybe you need to go back to kindergarten to learn how to read. I said it is my conviction to play MY game; to compete to the best of my ability evry minute I'm on the ice. If that means we're up by 10, 12, 15, whatever, I'm not going to stop giving 110% effort - sorry, that's just not in my genetic makeup.
MY game does not include pulling the goalie when you have the lead. Hell, I wouldn't even pull the goalie in a tie game 99% of the time. The only time I would is if the game really means something - like if winning or losing might dictate whether or not the team would make the conference playoffs or could perhaps win the conference championship game. But, I would also never tell my players to pass the puck around and touch it four times before taking a shot on net because we're up by thirteen. And, no, I wouldn't be playing my first line, but I'd sure as heck tell my third and fourth lines to go out there and kick some ***. And there are some teams, like Amherst, that have four very talented lines, and if that were the case, I certainly wouldn't tell my players to stop playing and I wouldn't change my normal game strategy or tactics either. Does that clarify things for you? And that isn't being all over the map. If you think it is, maybe you should take an orienteering class while you're at it...
creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Same dilemma in football, where teams keep their starters in meaningless games toward the end of the season: Can they "turn it back on" when they need to? Depends on the team and the personnel, I suppose. Resting players (while possibly giving up the opportunity to complete an undefeated season) seems to have worked for the Saints and Colts this year. QUOTE]
Obviously, it only worked for the Saints.
CanHockGuy
New member
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Creasemonkey...See, I didn't call you any names. Good start...OK. Now...After perusing your last few posts, and I'm sure 5-4 would extend that quite a bit further, I have to say that you really don't have any real in depth understanding of the game of hockey. Some of the things you say pretty much reveal your education couldn't go much further than a house leaguer. Not that there is anything wrong with house league. You don't understand the game, it's pretty clear. Go to the library (seriously) and get a few books, but don't talk to anybody when you get there.
Creasemonkey...See, I didn't call you any names. Good start...OK. Now...After perusing your last few posts, and I'm sure 5-4 would extend that quite a bit further, I have to say that you really don't have any real in depth understanding of the game of hockey. Some of the things you say pretty much reveal your education couldn't go much further than a house leaguer. Not that there is anything wrong with house league. You don't understand the game, it's pretty clear. Go to the library (seriously) and get a few books, but don't talk to anybody when you get there.
5 4 Fighting
New member
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Thanks for clarifying your position and perhaps if we had known that 8 pages ago on the D3 thread we probably could have settled this at that time.
Allow me to clarify mine....if you run up a score on a clearly inferior D3 team, I'd be expecting some Voo Doo.
Thanks for clarifying your position and perhaps if we had known that 8 pages ago on the D3 thread we probably could have settled this at that time.
Allow me to clarify mine....if you run up a score on a clearly inferior D3 team, I'd be expecting some Voo Doo.
creasemonkey
Registered User
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Draw any conclusions you'd like.
Creasemonkey...See, I didn't call you any names. Good start...OK. Now...After perusing your last few posts, and I'm sure 5-4 would extend that quite a bit further, I have to say that you really don't have any real in depth understanding of the game of hockey. Some of the things you say pretty much reveal your education couldn't go much further than a house leaguer. Not that there is anything wrong with house league. You don't understand the game, it's pretty clear. Go to the library (seriously) and get a few books, but don't talk to anybody when you get there.
Draw any conclusions you'd like.
unhpuckfan2001
Local Fire Extinguisher
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Very entertaining thread. I decided to do a little research, because my wife and I just had a similar discussion. I threw out that it was possible that goal differential was used as a tiebreak criteria, or for seeding. I decided to look into this. Took a while.
I have yet to find anything regarding women's play, even in the IIHF rule handbook. Here's what I did find so far, to support the theory. Anybody finds anything else, please post here; I have to actually work at work now, so I can't dig anymore . . .
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=60725
Look at number 6, specifically. Also, another interesting article on this subject, for your consideration:
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/ice_hockey/news?slug=jp-hockey021410&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
In a side note, I used bing.com for the first time today. No better or worse than any other search engine. Did have a cool picture of curling up on the website, though.
Very entertaining thread. I decided to do a little research, because my wife and I just had a similar discussion. I threw out that it was possible that goal differential was used as a tiebreak criteria, or for seeding. I decided to look into this. Took a while.
I have yet to find anything regarding women's play, even in the IIHF rule handbook. Here's what I did find so far, to support the theory. Anybody finds anything else, please post here; I have to actually work at work now, so I can't dig anymore . . .
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=60725
Look at number 6, specifically. Also, another interesting article on this subject, for your consideration:
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/ice_hockey/news?slug=jp-hockey021410&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
In a side note, I used bing.com for the first time today. No better or worse than any other search engine. Did have a cool picture of curling up on the website, though.
FranchisePlayer
New member
Re: Running up the Score - Not D3, Olympics!
Yawn.. Your act is tiresome. Sorry that my vocabulary is too large for you to handle without running to a dictionary to double-check spelling and usage. I'll do my best to be less verbose for you in the future. Here is simple language you should be able to handle:
5 4 Whining has said that if you score too many goals that is bad. Scoring too many goals makes people feel bad. Scoring too many goals is also "disrespectful".
The Canadian women have scored too many goals in the only two games they have played. Therefore, the Canadian team is bad and disrespects the game. They should practice the iron cross defense and the neutral zone trap and put both the trainer and the equipment manager in skates to take shifts after going up by 10 goals to make sure that they don't score anymore.
Yawn.. Your act is tiresome. Sorry that my vocabulary is too large for you to handle without running to a dictionary to double-check spelling and usage. I'll do my best to be less verbose for you in the future. Here is simple language you should be able to handle:
5 4 Whining has said that if you score too many goals that is bad. Scoring too many goals makes people feel bad. Scoring too many goals is also "disrespectful".
The Canadian women have scored too many goals in the only two games they have played. Therefore, the Canadian team is bad and disrespects the game. They should practice the iron cross defense and the neutral zone trap and put both the trainer and the equipment manager in skates to take shifts after going up by 10 goals to make sure that they don't score anymore.