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Re: Rule Changes
A player will go into the box for 2 minutes as the ref extends one arm from the chest out.
A player will go into the box for 2 minutes as the ref extends one arm from the chest out.
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Rule Changes
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: Rule Changes
I don't think so. We were the #1 team in the WCHA in Special Teams last season, and we should only get better this year
Special Teams Net:
1. North Dakota
t2. Denver
t2. Duluth
4. Wisconsin
5. SCSU
6. CC
7. Mankato
8. Minnesota
9. Anchorage
10. Tech
What is interesting, is that the top 5 teams on this list were the top 5 teams in the Conference last season.
Now for Minnesota, all the extra powerplays will probably lead to lower scoring games, as they are inept on the powerplay.
I don't think so. We were the #1 team in the WCHA in Special Teams last season, and we should only get better this year
Special Teams Net:
1. North Dakota
t2. Denver
t2. Duluth
4. Wisconsin
5. SCSU
6. CC
7. Mankato
8. Minnesota
9. Anchorage
10. Tech
What is interesting, is that the top 5 teams on this list were the top 5 teams in the Conference last season.
Now for Minnesota, all the extra powerplays will probably lead to lower scoring games, as they are inept on the powerplay.
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
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Excellent point. So Hill just shot himself in the foot.
This is going to just bury Michigan Tech.
Excellent point. So Hill just shot himself in the foot.
This is going to just bury Michigan Tech.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: Rule Changes
I think the lowest our PK dropped last season was 62%. It may break 50% if these rules hold.
Tech seriously committed 3 or 4 CTH penalties a game last season. We might see them with an average of 30-35 PIMs a game. And don't even mention the "double your pleasure" delayed penalty rule.
I think the lowest our PK dropped last season was 62%. It may break 50% if these rules hold.
Tech seriously committed 3 or 4 CTH penalties a game last season. We might see them with an average of 30-35 PIMs a game. And don't even mention the "double your pleasure" delayed penalty rule.
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I don't think a team is being doubly punished with this rule change. The penalty has not been called yet, meaning no punishment has been dealt. It's 6 on 6 hockey just as it always is.
Again, nothing changes when the ref's arm goes up for a delayed penalty other than everyone in the building now knows the play will stop when the team that committed the infraction touches the puck. It's still 6 on 6 hockey. No penalty has been handed out.
Not allowed to pull the goalie on a delayed penalty? So you can pull your goalie at any point in the game, except when the other team breaks the rules?
I didn't like this rule change at first (I'm a bit of a traditionalist), but when I thought about it more it didn't seem like a bad change.
Anyone thought about what a 5-min major will look like with no icing allowed and not being to change players after icing the puck? A major penalty is going to be an almost guaranteed goal, and I think will very often result in multiple goals.
This rule absolutely infuriates me.
I don't think a team is being doubly punished with this rule change. The penalty has not been called yet, meaning no punishment has been dealt. It's 6 on 6 hockey just as it always is.
Again, nothing changes when the ref's arm goes up for a delayed penalty other than everyone in the building now knows the play will stop when the team that committed the infraction touches the puck. It's still 6 on 6 hockey. No penalty has been handed out.
Not allowed to pull the goalie on a delayed penalty? So you can pull your goalie at any point in the game, except when the other team breaks the rules?
I didn't like this rule change at first (I'm a bit of a traditionalist), but when I thought about it more it didn't seem like a bad change.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
I think you are spot on here. There are going to be a ton of whistles on PP/PK situations.
Interesting take that I hadn't thought about. I think you may well be correct with this speculation.
Anyone thought about what a 5-min major will look like with no icing allowed and not being to change players after icing the puck? A major penalty is going to be an almost guaranteed goal, and I think will very often result in multiple goals.
This rule absolutely infuriates me.
Happy
Registered User
Re: Rule Changes
oh, come on, if fratten was still on the team, that's about 20 5 minute majors right there, then add up all the other head hunting thugs you have from Canada, and your team would get more 5 minute majors than the rest of the league put together. that part will not be in UND's favor, idiot.
I don't think so. We were the #1 team in the WCHA in Special Teams last season, and we should only get better this year
Special Teams Net:
1. North Dakota
t2. Denver
t2. Duluth
4. Wisconsin
5. SCSU
6. CC
7. Mankato
8. Minnesota
9. Anchorage
10. Tech
What is interesting, is that the top 5 teams on this list were the top 5 teams in the Conference last season.
Now for Minnesota, all the extra powerplays will probably lead to lower scoring games, as they are inept on the powerplay.
oh, come on, if fratten was still on the team, that's about 20 5 minute majors right there, then add up all the other head hunting thugs you have from Canada, and your team would get more 5 minute majors than the rest of the league put together. that part will not be in UND's favor, idiot.
cg_siouxfan
Registered User
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
Re: Rule Changes
They are, indeed, being doubly punished. Play normally stops when an infraction of the rules occurs. The puck goes out of play, the net comes off, an icing occurs, these are all against the rules of hockey and stop play. There are few exceptions, such as delayed off-sides, touch-up after a hand pass, high stick, etc. Not blowing the whistle when a penalty occurs (rightly) punishes the offending team and (rightly) benefits the, um, offended team.
They are, indeed, being doubly punished. Play normally stops when an infraction of the rules occurs. The puck goes out of play, the net comes off, an icing occurs, these are all against the rules of hockey and stop play. There are few exceptions, such as delayed off-sides, touch-up after a hand pass, high stick, etc. Not blowing the whistle when a penalty occurs (rightly) punishes the offending team and (rightly) benefits the, um, offended team.
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No. All the examples you gave (except for icing) make the game unplayable, thus the whistle. It is impossible to let play continue when the puck is in the stands, and you can't allow the goal to be randomly shuffled around the ice. As far as icing, the puck has been sent over 100 feet down the ice and puts the non-committing team at an immediate disadvantage, so the whistle blows.
The other examples you give of situations where the whistle doesn't blow (high stick, hand pass, offside) are situations where it wouldn't make sense to take possession away from the non-guilty team, and if the whistle blew straight away it would be to the benefit of the team that that committed the infraction. Same goes for a delayed penalty. If a player gets tripped, and his teammate picks up the puck and goes in alone on goal, it would be completely unfair for the whistle to blow immediately in order to call the penalty.
So, if a player or team commits an infraction, play continues until control of the puck is lost. That isn't penalizing the team being called for a penalty, it is making sure the team that was victim to the rules infraction isn't being penalized by stopping the play.
No action is taken until control is lost, meaning no punishment/penalty is being dealt until control is lost.
No. All the examples you gave (except for icing) make the game unplayable, thus the whistle. It is impossible to let play continue when the puck is in the stands, and you can't allow the goal to be randomly shuffled around the ice. As far as icing, the puck has been sent over 100 feet down the ice and puts the non-committing team at an immediate disadvantage, so the whistle blows.
The other examples you give of situations where the whistle doesn't blow (high stick, hand pass, offside) are situations where it wouldn't make sense to take possession away from the non-guilty team, and if the whistle blew straight away it would be to the benefit of the team that that committed the infraction. Same goes for a delayed penalty. If a player gets tripped, and his teammate picks up the puck and goes in alone on goal, it would be completely unfair for the whistle to blow immediately in order to call the penalty.
So, if a player or team commits an infraction, play continues until control of the puck is lost. That isn't penalizing the team being called for a penalty, it is making sure the team that was victim to the rules infraction isn't being penalized by stopping the play.
No action is taken until control is lost, meaning no punishment/penalty is being dealt until control is lost.
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During normal 6x6 hockey, both teams have the opportunity to score, so both teams have to play offense and both teams have to play defense. During a delayed penalty, one team is only on offense and one team is only on defense - even more so than during an actual power play. Having a designated offense and a designated defense is a special teams exercise, not "6 on 6 hockey just as it always is."
During the 2 min of powerplay, the team on the PK has very little chance to score, but during the delayed call, they have ZERO chance to score. And the only reason is because of the penalty they committed. So giving up a goal during the delayed call is already part of the punishment for the penalty, so awarding the power play as well is most definitely 2 punishments for the same crime - double jeopardy.
Sure it is - except for the fact that it's completely NOT.
During normal 6x6 hockey, both teams have the opportunity to score, so both teams have to play offense and both teams have to play defense. During a delayed penalty, one team is only on offense and one team is only on defense - even more so than during an actual power play. Having a designated offense and a designated defense is a special teams exercise, not "6 on 6 hockey just as it always is."
During the 2 min of powerplay, the team on the PK has very little chance to score, but during the delayed call, they have ZERO chance to score. And the only reason is because of the penalty they committed. So giving up a goal during the delayed call is already part of the punishment for the penalty, so awarding the power play as well is most definitely 2 punishments for the same crime - double jeopardy.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: Rule Changes
They have a very slim to none chance to score, and that includes the team "on offense" to not be able to control the puck well ( reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS6wL5Mr3Qg ), but I digress. I think it's more of a definition of when the penalty begins. LF, others, and I believe it starts the second the infraction occurs, because you are not able to control the puck without an immediate whistle. Then, after the whistle, you are once again allowed to control the puck in continuous play, but are a man down. The punishments are relatively equal in severity.
They have a very slim to none chance to score, and that includes the team "on offense" to not be able to control the puck well ( reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS6wL5Mr3Qg ), but I digress. I think it's more of a definition of when the penalty begins. LF, others, and I believe it starts the second the infraction occurs, because you are not able to control the puck without an immediate whistle. Then, after the whistle, you are once again allowed to control the puck in continuous play, but are a man down. The punishments are relatively equal in severity.
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I had posted earlier that Hockey East had a rule in the past where even if a goal was scored on a delayed penalty that the two minute major still had to served. Now I think it was something different. I think that if a power play goal was scored, the team got the man back but the player still had to serve the two minutes.
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OK, after reading what I just wrote, I don't think that was correct either. Does anyone that has been following Hockey East as long as I have remember what that rule was? I was only in effect for a couple of years, but it was something similar to what I posted.
And let me just reiterate, that no icing on a penalty kill is ludacrisp.[/Mike Tyson]
I had posted earlier that Hockey East had a rule in the past where even if a goal was scored on a delayed penalty that the two minute major still had to served. Now I think it was something different. I think that if a power play goal was scored, the team got the man back but the player still had to serve the two minutes.
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OK, after reading what I just wrote, I don't think that was correct either. Does anyone that has been following Hockey East as long as I have remember what that rule was? I was only in effect for a couple of years, but it was something similar to what I posted.
And let me just reiterate, that no icing on a penalty kill is ludacrisp.[/Mike Tyson]
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Rule Changes
Article by Brad Schlossman from the Grand Forks Herald. UND's head coach Dave Hakstol and BSU's head coach Tom Serratore are understandably shocked that these passed.
Coaches upset over proposals
Article by Brad Schlossman from the Grand Forks Herald. UND's head coach Dave Hakstol and BSU's head coach Tom Serratore are understandably shocked that these passed.
Coaches upset over proposals
Re: Rule Changes
I think I found the solution to all the "problems" that college hockey has, with the CFBs, the CTHs, and the icings, etc etc: 60 minute shootout.
A team lines up all their players, and they have 5 minutes to cycle through as many shots, one-on-none, on the opposing goalie. Then, the other team gets to do that for 5 minutes. After every two "shifts" of 5 minutes per team, they break and switch ends.
If it's a tie after the 60 minutes, then they play 5 on 5 hockey for 5 minutes. If it's still tied, then both teams will get nothing, and like it.
I think I found the solution to all the "problems" that college hockey has, with the CFBs, the CTHs, and the icings, etc etc: 60 minute shootout.
A team lines up all their players, and they have 5 minutes to cycle through as many shots, one-on-none, on the opposing goalie. Then, the other team gets to do that for 5 minutes. After every two "shifts" of 5 minutes per team, they break and switch ends.
If it's a tie after the 60 minutes, then they play 5 on 5 hockey for 5 minutes. If it's still tied, then both teams will get nothing, and like it.
Runninwiththedogs
Tech Hot
Re: Rule Changes
No. First of all, when a puck hits the netting, or it hits a stick of a player on the bench, it can fall back into play and be playable, but they blow the whistle anyway.
Additionally, thank you for making an argument for my point in your second and third paragraphs. It makes my job so much easier!
No. First of all, when a puck hits the netting, or it hits a stick of a player on the bench, it can fall back into play and be playable, but they blow the whistle anyway.
Additionally, thank you for making an argument for my point in your second and third paragraphs. It makes my job so much easier!
Happy
Registered User
Re: Rule Changes
You need to realize that it was only the dominance of the Montreal Canadiens PP that changed the rule that a power play ended upon a goal. Before that, a penalty was 2 minutes, and if Montreal scored 3 times in 2 minutes, they all counted. Don't commit the penalty, and it isn't a problem.
You need to realize that it was only the dominance of the Montreal Canadiens PP that changed the rule that a power play ended upon a goal. Before that, a penalty was 2 minutes, and if Montreal scored 3 times in 2 minutes, they all counted. Don't commit the penalty, and it isn't a problem.
Dirty
#BanBiddy
Re: Rule Changes
Why don't you just ask Hakstol if you can give him a blow job and get it over with?
Why don't you just ask Hakstol if you can give him a blow job and get it over with?
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Thank you very much for posting that. The quotes from the coaches are great, but this pretty much sums it up:
"Going against the wishes of the vast majority of Division I men’s coaches — and all 12 Western Collegiate Hockey Association coaches — the NCAA Rules Committee recommended major rules changes for this upcoming season."
Just an absolute disgrace that coaches weren't given the respect they deserve during this process. No other way to say it.
Thank you very much for posting that. The quotes from the coaches are great, but this pretty much sums it up:
"Going against the wishes of the vast majority of Division I men’s coaches — and all 12 Western Collegiate Hockey Association coaches — the NCAA Rules Committee recommended major rules changes for this upcoming season."
Just an absolute disgrace that coaches weren't given the respect they deserve during this process. No other way to say it.
