RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

[burgie12]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

OK, thanks. Heck, I (mistakenly) stood behind the students section at Appleton, but it was all good.

You won't be able to stand in the Corner Crew.
A) It's General Admission and you usually show up early, but not that early.
B) They already stand up in the SRO concourse, so you won't be able to stand behind them.
C) You won't be wearing orange, so there's a decent chance you'll get kicked out (well, not really, but your presence won't be appreciated).

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

It's essentially the Lynah Rink of the AHA.

Wait... I thought you were arguing FOR my attendance.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Why not?

Opportunity cost.

 

[komey1]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Wait... I thought you were arguing FOR my attendance.

I could have said it's like probably the Big Red Freakout only in Orange and we don't need to set aside a special day (though I would not know since I have never been to a BFR). I know how you and Lerch get at it with that topic.

I know it's a pipe dream, but I personally would love to see the best arenas in action with their student sections. Unfortunately time and money don't typically allow it. I've been fortunate with Lynah.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

I could have said it's like probably the Big Red Freakout only in Orange and we don't need to set aside a special day (though I would not know since I have never been to a BFR).

Honestly, you folks make a bigger deal of it than we do.

Comparing yourselves to Lynah makes me less interested in coming, bottom line. That's basically telling me you have robotic, unimaginative fans who show up to support a boring hockey team that plays in a dump.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Rink size 185x85... well, you probably have the last part right. At least RIT's trying to improve and getting an actual sized rink.

Wow. Just incredible.

They have an abnormally sized rink, so therefore they play in a dump?

RIT fans, just so you know, I'm not with him. He doesn't speak for me or any RPI fans.

 

[TimV]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Comparing yourselves to Lynah makes me less interested in coming, bottom line. That's basically telling me you have robotic, unimaginative fans who show up to support a boring hockey team that plays in a dump.

Yeh... What's that two-tune playlist you hear at Houston- Oh Yeah: 1) "You Suck!" and 2.)"Go Red" "Go White." Really cutting edge, isn't it?

And a reeeeally boring team plays at Lynah- they hung three times as many goals on a top-ten Yale team as your team has been able to score in their entire ECAC schedule thus far.

Just "Setting the record straight..." Not bashing RPI - Just bashing you.

 

[ibanezist00]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Yeh... What's that two-tune playlist you hear at Houston- Oh Yeah: 1) "You Suck!" and 2.)"Go Red" "Go White." Really cutting edge, isn't it?

And a reeeeally boring team plays at Lynah- they hung three times as many goals on a top-ten Yale team as your team has been able to score in their entire ECAC schedule thus far.

Just "Setting the record straight..." Not bashing RPI - Just bashing you.

To your first point... we actually have a lot of school-specific jeers and things that I've only heard RPI fans say. We're also quite good at coming up with jeers on the fly. It's about the passion, anyway, not what is actually said.

To your second point... I think his point is that a certain team that plays at Lynah is of the clutch-and-grab type who love to use traps as defensive measures ALL the time, which can lead to a very uninteresting spectacle. Lack of goals != uninteresting play, just means you have offensive problems.

I'll leave the third point alone.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

To your first point... we actually have a lot of school-specific jeers and things that I've only heard RPI fans say. We're also quite good at coming up with jeers on the fly. It's about the passion, anyway, not what is actually said.

To your second point... I think his point is that a certain team that plays at Lynah is of the clutch-and-grab type who love to use traps as defensive measures ALL the time, which can lead to a very uninteresting spectacle. Lack of goals != uninteresting play, just means you have offensive problems.

I'll leave the third point alone.

Lack of goals does not necessarily mean offensive problems, either. It could mean that you have very good defense and goaltending that is able to keep the puck out of the net. It's comparable to what they call in baseball a "pitcher's duel". Are those boring? No, they are exciting in their own way.

The past two times out, we've seen a 10-7 game with lack of defense on both sides, and a 4-1 routing last year. Any thoughts on what we could expect next week? A goalie's duel, mayhaps?

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Yeh... What's that two-tune playlist you hear at Houston- Oh Yeah: 1) "You Suck!" and 2.)"Go Red" "Go White." Really cutting edge, isn't it?

A simple minded response from a simpleton. Beat that strawman, TimV! Beat him good!

Basically, what ibanezist00 said.

And a reeeeally boring team plays at Lynah- they hung three times as many goals on a top-ten Yale team as your team has been able to score in their entire ECAC schedule thus far.

And they did it playing clutch and grab, as they've always done. Boring.

Basically, what ibanezist00 said.

Just "Setting the record straight..." Not bashing RPI - Just bashing you.

Pathetic. Simply pathetic. But I love how the Cornell butthurt batsignal goes out whenever someone says anything that isn't 100% laudatory to the Lynah losers.

 

[TimV]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

And they did it playing clutch and grab, as they've always done. Boring.

Well, you fired the first shot, and it was 100% flame. Typical.

In another thread you said you preferred to talk hockey, but here you chose to take shots at fans and an arena that wasn't even in the thread title. OK- lets talk hockey. I know you hate when others answer your idiotic snark with actual facts, so sorry about this:

From ECACHockey.com Box scores

Holding: Cornell, (7 games) 1, RPI (last 7 games) 2
Interference Cornell 3, RPI 9
Tripping Cornell 6, RPI 5
Hooking Cornell 1 RPI 1
PIM from above Cornell 22, RPI 34

VS YALE Cornell 1 intf, 1 trip. RPI 2 trip

Doesn't look like Cornell played Yale too much differently than RPI, does it? Aside from scoring 6 goals on them, of course. And I know the penalty differential is because Schafer influences the refs, who are ALL down on RPI, but come ON, man, that Clutch-and-Grab whine is pretty stale and not supported by any measurable parameter. You can fire up the flame machine, but you do so much better when you write for WAP.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Well, you fired the first shot, and it was 100% flame. Typical.

I didn't fire any shots. I stated my opinion, and you got outraged. That's what's typical.

In another thread you said you preferred to talk hockey, but here you chose to take shots at fans and an arena that wasn't even in the thread title.

Tim, Tim, Tim. I'm not the one that brought up fans and an arena that wasn't even in the thread title. I'm just responding to what someone else said.

But then again, if you'd admitted that, you wouldn't be able to pull your ivory tower routine on me.

OK- lets talk hockey. I know you hate when others answer your idiotic snark with actual facts, so sorry about this:

From ECACHockey.com Box scores

Holding: Cornell, (7 games) 1, RPI (last 7 games) 2
Interference Cornell 3, RPI 9
Tripping Cornell 6, RPI 5
Hooking Cornell 1 RPI 1
PIM from above Cornell 22, RPI 34

VS YALE Cornell 1 intf, 1 trip. RPI 2 trip

Doesn't look like Cornell played Yale too much differently than RPI, does it? Aside from scoring 6 goals on them, of course. And I know the penalty differential is because Schafer influences the refs, who are ALL down on RPI, but come ON, man, that Clutch-and-Grab whine is pretty stale and not supported by any measurable parameter.

Impressive. I mean, I continue to tell you that what I'm talking about isn't something quantifiable, and yet, you still try to quantify it. I'm impressed by how far you are willing to go to prove an opinion wrong.

Cornell plays clutch and grab. It's very, very obvious to anyone with half a brain watching them play. They do it specifically BECAUSE the referees of this league won't call every single hold, obstruction, hook, and trip that they see. It's not a matter of Fat Mike influencing anyone, it's just the way things are. And it bores me to tears - I don't care how successful it makes your team. Congratulations.

I love that you are so incensed by my opinion of Lynah and your beloved Big Red. Please, continue to whine and troll in a place where your presence is, honestly, unnecessary.

 

[ibanezist00]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

From ECACHockey.com Box scores

Holding: Cornell, (7 games) 1, RPI (last 7 games) 2
Interference Cornell 3, RPI 9
Tripping Cornell 6, RPI 5
Hooking Cornell 1 RPI 1
PIM from above Cornell 22, RPI 34

VS YALE Cornell 1 intf, 1 trip. RPI 2 trip

Doesn't look like Cornell played Yale too much differently than RPI, does it? Aside from scoring 6 goals on them, of course. And I know the penalty differential is because Schafer influences the refs, who are ALL down on RPI, but come ON, man, that Clutch-and-Grab whine is pretty stale and not supported by any measurable parameter. You can fire up the flame machine, but you do so much better when you write for WAP.

Anyone who actually watches Cornell play can see that clutch-and-grab is exactly how they play, and they get away with a lot of it. Clutch-and-grab has little to do with actual penalties given out. What we're talking about is not quantifiable, like a lot of things in sports.

There's also a reason RPI fans have a problem with reffing and have a bit of a persecution complex -- because what we describe is exactly what happens in the ECAC! We get legitimate goals waved off, senseless penalties on things that are clearly, purely accidental or are an order of magnitude less severe than what our opponents do, and there was even a little bit of proven, built-in bias from the league unfortunately shown to the public last year by the commissioner.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

I like this guy ibanezist00. I like him a lot.

Anyway, moving on from this bit of unpleasantness with an unpleasant individual, this game certainly represents kind of a turning point for RPI. They had a brutal schedule early in the season and a lot of injuries early as well. They've done everything right except scoring goals. This mini "break" between last Tuesday's game and the game in Rochester will hopefully give the team enough time to finish healing (just one player left to return from injury) and do a little soul searching as well. They have another couple of ECAC games before the New Year, so the time is now if they're going to turn things around - like Alec Baldwin said in Glengarry, it's F or walk. We may find out on Friday if the RPI offense has made its decision for Christ.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

We may find out on Friday if the RPI offense has made its decision for Christ.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Easy, killer. It's a saying.

 

[ibanezist00]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

I like this guy ibanezist00. I like him a lot.

Anyway, moving on from this bit of unpleasantness with an unpleasant individual, this game certainly represents kind of a turning point for RPI. They had a brutal schedule early in the season and a lot of injuries early as well. They've done everything right except scoring goals. This mini "break" between last Tuesday's game and the game in Rochester will hopefully give the team enough time to finish healing (just one player left to return from injury) and do a little soul searching as well. They have another couple of ECAC games before the New Year, so the time is now if they're going to turn things around - like Alec Baldwin said in Glengarry, it's F or walk. We may find out on Friday if the RPI offense has made its decision for Christ.

+1 for liking ibanezist00
+1 for the thoughtful, spot-on analysis (for the most part)

My own version:

Though injuries plagued RPI in the early season, and the whole team isn't fully recovered just yet, RPI just hasn't seemed to have been in sync since the win over Minnesota State Mankato. I agree with Red Cloud for the most part, but where he said "they've done everything right except score goals" I disagree. I am going to rephrase that as "they've only done half their game right, which is the defensive part". We can't seem to complete our passing and we are repetitious in offense; as an example, I told my fellow fans at the Union game next to me "guarantee that RPI is going to do play X next, by passing to Y and then doing Z" etc. and guess what, almost every single time I was right. (In case you can't tell, I'm a bit frustrated with the lack of offensive pressure).

I think the break will be good for them, as long as they utilize it correctly. I don't believe it's their practicing that needs to ramp up -- I'm sure they do that just fine -- I think at this point it's mostly a head game for them. Someone, whether that is a single player or a group of guys, needs to step up and take the lead. If they can do that, I'm actually predicting a strong win for RPI, score of 3-1.

TL;DR version: RPI needs to get their heads in the game and right the ship at RIT, or they're going to have a very hard time climbing up that ladder.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Easy, killer. It's a saying.

I have an alibi. I wasn't born yet.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

I have an alibi. I wasn't born yet.

I think you may be taking that the wrong way.

 

[TimV]

Re: RPI @ RIT, Friday 11/25/11

Anyone who actually watches Cornell play can see that clutch-and-grab is exactly how they play, and they get away with a lot of it. Clutch-and-grab has little to do with actual penalties given out. What we're talking about is not quantifiable, like a lot of things in sports.

Ok. Maybe it's my fault for misinterpreting the expression. Are you saying that C&G is a style of play, legal but unappealing to those teams and fans who prefer higher scoring games? I can see that. But especially for non-scholarship teams, that comes under the heading of playing a style that maximizes your specific players skills (or lack of skills) and if you can be successful with the players you have, isn't that what good coaching is all about? Otherwise, you're saying that it's OK to be unsuccessful as long as you look good doing it.

OTOH, the expression always came across as something illegal that was gotten away with only because the refs couldn't call a mountain of penalties. If that's true, shouldn't the quantifiable things (like penalty totals) at least reveal that? And why wouldn't the increased emphasis of the last coupla years on obstruction/interference makethat tactic unsustainable?