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RPI Recruiting II: Knowlton's Rangers (enlistments open)

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DrDemento said:
Ralph-educate me a little-if he played only one game for Minnesota-does that count the same as if he played a full season? Or do you have to play a certain percentage of a school's games to count as a season?
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If you play even a single game for a team, in the NCAA's eyes you have played an entire season. Additionally, from the moment you first set foot on your first college campus, you are only eligible to play for five calendar years regardless of when and where you play, transfer, etc. So if he attended Minnesota and played last season, and is sitting out this season, he would only have 3 seasons of eligibility left by the time he got to RPI.
 
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DrDemento said:
Ralph-educate me a little-if he played only one game for Minnesota-does that count the same as if he played a full season? Or do you have to play a certain percentage of a school's games to count as a season?
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One game played, without the attainment of any kind of redshirt (which no one has ever reported that he has, and given the circumstances of his departure is highly unlikely) is the same as being active for the entire season. So he has only 3 years of eligibility left.

That could be kind of a bonus for us if we can land him, since it would avail the Engineers of his services for three years, plus allow us to spread out the D more evenly over the four class years so we aren't struggling to rebuild on defense every two years or so.
 
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GRussinko said:
If you play even a single game for a team, in the NCAA's eyes you have played an entire season. Additionally, from the moment you first set foot on your first college campus, you are only eligible to play for five calendar years regardless of when and where you play, transfer, etc. So if he attended Minnesota and played last season, and is sitting out this season, he would only have 3 seasons of eligibility left by the time he got to RPI.
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Right on, right on... worth mentioning, then that, he would have four years to compete at RPI, but only if he got a redshirt and he's still only able to play 3 seasons.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Right on, right on... worth mentioning, then that, he would have four years to compete at RPI, but only if he got a redshirt and he's still only able to play 3 seasons.
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Nope - once you enroll in college, a five-year clock starts ticking; that clock is NOT tolled even if you leave college (as, of course, Scott did). The 09-10 season is the second of Scott's five-years; he only has three years remaining to exhaust his NCAA eligibility, so a redshirt would do no good. He cannot play collegiate athletics beyond the 12-13 season, even if he has eligibility left in any sport (from a redshirt or some other means). The exception would be if he obtained a medical or some other hardship redshirt.
 
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Red Cloud said:
One game played, without the attainment of any kind of redshirt (which no one has ever reported that he has, and given the circumstances of his departure is highly unlikely) is the same as being active for the entire season. So he has only 3 years of eligibility left.

That could be kind of a bonus for us if we can land him, since it would avail the Engineers of his services for three years, plus allow us to spread out the D more evenly over the four class years so we aren't struggling to rebuild on defense every two years or so.
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Got it-thanks-I thought that not to lose the year one had to be red shirted but wasn't sure. I wasnt sure if there was some obscure NCAA rule about number of games played or percentage of the schools games played.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
It's official, Doc will be getting a headstart on his weekend......hiccup ! YOU CAN'T TEACH SIZE !! :D
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Now I'm spoiled-I want that 6'7" Russian kid-he must have quite a wingspan:eek: Of course it all depends on skills and speed but it would sure be nice to have a couple of big boys on defense.
 
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There has been some contradictory statements. Scott played one game last year. That counted as playing one year and counts also as the first of five years in which he can play four. You can not red shirt after playing a game except for the medical red shirt like Malchuk and Bergin. In any case, it counts as his first of five years to play four years. This year is his second of the five years. So he now has three years left to play three years.

There are very cases where someone gets two medical red shirt years and then can play four out of six. There is currently such a case at MTU.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Assuming we're looking at Scott, which seems like a good bet. Unless you know something we don't, which is usually also a good bet.
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My gut feeling is that it is Scott. He sounds like the player that SA was looking at.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
This year is his second of the five years. So he now has three years left to play three years.
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That's right, I forgot that the clock doesn't stop for being out of school. So in other words, this is kinda sorta his redshirt year without really being a redshirt - and if he wants to go back to school, he's got to start next year or he's going to be down two years of eligibility with a grand total of one game played.
 
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Red Cloud said:
That's right, I forgot that the clock doesn't stop for being out of school. So in other words, this is kinda sorta his redshirt year without really being a redshirt - and if he wants to go back to school, he's got to start next year or he's going to be down two years of eligibility with a grand total of one game played.
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Exactly.
 
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Red Cloud said:
That's right, I forgot that the clock doesn't stop for being out of school. So in other words, this is kinda sorta his redshirt year without really being a redshirt - and if he wants to go back to school, he's got to start next year or he's going to be down two years of eligibility with a grand total of one game played.
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Or he could start next semester and get in 3.5. Does that work?
 
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jmhusker said:
Or he could start next semester and get in 3.5. Does that work?
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No. Years ago that was apparently possible. I remember Mel Wakabayashi (sp?) playing for Michigan in our Holiday tourney in 66-67 ending his eligibility.
 
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jmhusker said:
Or he could start next semester and get in 3.5. Does that work?
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He still has to sit out a full year between playing for Minn and playing for another team, to the best of my knowledge. So he wouldn't be eligible to play until next season.
 
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redhead18 said:
So I take it Greg Burgdoerfer and Nick Bailen are in the same position with only 3 years of eligibility left as well?
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Exactly the same position as far as that is concerned. The only difference is that Bailen is still young enough ('89) this year to be able to play juniors while there is no place that G. Burgdoerfer can play because he is an '88 (even though a very late '88).

Edit: As GRussinko wrote.
 
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RC,

I forgot to thank you for posting about Curadi and how many recruits we have on the RPI_Sports list. I was out all afternoon at a bike shop.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
There are very cases where someone gets two medical red shirt years and then can play four out of six. There is currently such a case at MTU.
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Malcolm Gwilliam, currently a sixth-year senior at MTU, had one red shirt year for a knee problem and another for a stroke. :eek:
 
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GRussinko said:
He still has to sit out a full year between playing for Minn and playing for another team, to the best of my knowledge. So he wouldn't be eligible to play until next season.
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A full academic year or a full Calendar year? If he only played 1 game and left then it has been a full calendar year and one could argue a full academic year (spring and fall semester). Dovetails right in to Morissette's spot.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
RC,

I forgot to thank you for posting about Curadi and how many recruits we have on the RPI_Sports list. I was out all afternoon at a bike shop.
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What kind of a bike do you have Ralph? I assume it is a road bike. Is it a racing bike or a hybrid or a mountain bike with slicks?
 
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