RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

I have a feeling we’ll be seeing a recruit or two before the summer but for now, thanks once again for your continued devotion to this Thread Ralph. I know how much work you do in keeping us all updated. Thanks Ralph

I strongly agree that we will see a recruit or two since we have only 13 forwards (Liljegren, J. Ohrvall, Wiffen, Tironese, Hayhurst, Marrello, Polino, Reisnger, Burgess, Stout, E. Ohrvall, Payne, and Jerry) by the latest count.


No need for anyone to thank me. I will do it anyway. What I hope I do next season is wait until the morning to post all of the summaries.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Although we need more forwards for 2017, we may done with 2018. That is assuming no other defection.

The class of 2018 originally had 7 members, but after losing Gillespie, Nanne, Melanson, and Bell, it is down to just three (Liljegren, Prapavessis, and Wilson). I suspect that Bendorf, Babichuk, and Tuliara will replace them. OTOH, Coach Smith may want to add his own players. (I don't think that either Tuliara or Babichuk will show up this fall.)

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

I certainly agree as we have discussed before, but talent is important too.

That is a given of course. otherwise you could just recruit a tree. But some of our recent failings have been at least in part because we cannot physically control the ice whether it be in front of our own net, along the boards, or setting up in the offensive zone. At every level from NCAA and upward, size does matter.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

That is a given of course. otherwise you could just recruit a tree. But some of our recent failings have been at least in part because we cannot physically control the ice whether it be in front of our own net, along the boards, or setting up in the offensive zone. At every level from NCAA and upward, size does matter.

If Boston College and Yale can be successful with a bunch of midgets, I don't think it's absolutely necessary to have huge people, especially if they're just going to end up being pylons. I see it as more of a rock-paper-scissors type of argument. All styles of thinking have their advantages and disadvantages. You want the smaller ones if you're going to play something more up-tempo and circle skating. You need the bigger guys if you want to trap and close down opportunities. You want the built low center-of-gravity guys (think Rabbani) if you want a game of hitting. Maybe even a combination of all three with each on a different line so the opposition doesn't know what hit them. Let's have the systems adjust to the players' strengths, so we can showcase to the next level what these kids are really capable of.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

That is a given of course. otherwise you could just recruit a tree. But some of our recent failings have been at least in part because we cannot physically control the ice whether it be in front of our own net, along the boards, or setting up in the offensive zone. At every level from NCAA and upward, size does matter.

Size is certainly important, but talent is needed too. We agree on that. We have also had big players who played small..

I was heartened by herbst20's comment in post 544, perhaps Jerry will fulfill what you said.

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Size is certainly important, but talent is needed too. We agree on that. We have also had big players who played small..

I was heartened by herbst20's comment in post 544, perhaps Jerry will fulfill what you said.

I always felt that hockey was sometimes a bit like dogs fighting. It is not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of fight in the dog that often matters. You are 100% right in that we have had some very well tempered Great Danes out there over the years and not enough Pit Bulls.

 

[turk181]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3.75 star prospect Billy Jerry commits to <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey">@RPI_Hockey</a>. Big, physical, power forward. Ranked <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/83rd?src=hash">#83rd</a> '97 born NCAA Eligible prospect in US/CAN <a href="https://t.co/is6HbWa9L5">https://t.co/is6HbWa9L5</a></p>— Neutral Zone (@_Neutral_Zone) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Neutral_Zone/status/862486992227008513">May 11, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

fell off the front page

 # Name                Ps commitm. Team (League)                   Year  DOB      Ht    Wt  Hometown
55 Cory Babichuk       LD 11/02/14 Surrey Eagles (BCHL)            2017  09/28/98 5'10" 170 Edmonton, AB
xx Jonathan Bendorf *  LW 08/15/15 Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)     2018  02/26/99 6'00" 181 Yardville, NJ
15 Matt Cameron        RW 07/28/16 North Jers. Avalanche U16 (AYHL)2019  06/08/00 5'11" 185 Berwyn, PA
15                                 North Jers. Avalanche U16(T1EHL)
20 Austin Cho          LD 02/24/14 Georgetown Raiders (OJHL)       2017  05/19/97 6'01" 180 Mississauga, ON
 3 Mat Harris *        LD 02/20/17 Boston Jr. Bruins (USPHL Prem.) 2017  07/14/96 6'01" 196 Sudbury, MA
27 Billy Jerry         RW 05/06/17 Madison Capitols (USHL)         2017  11/21/97 6'04" 190 Hudson, WI
33 Linden Marshall      G 01/15/17 Trail Smoke Eaters (BCHL)       2017  07/21/98 6'03" 205 Victoria, BC
26 Jacob Modry         LD 07/19/15 Wenatchee Wild (BCHL)           2018  01/23/99 6'05" 185 El Segundo, CA
98 Emil Ohrvall #       C 05/17/15 Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)     2017  06/10/98 5'10" 151 Vaxjo, Sweden
 9 Gavin Payne *       RW 02/16/17 Langley Rivermen (BCHL)         2017  08/31/96 6'02" 196 Minnetonka, MN
26 Owen Stout *         C 11/18/16 Coquitlam Express (BCHL)        2017  06/05/97 5'10" 170 West Vancouver, BC
 5 Atte Tuliara        RD 01/26/17 HIFK U20 (Jr. A SM-liiga)       2017  04/26/98 6'02" 174 ..., Finland


Women
44 Mary Jane Alexander  D 09/23/16 Chicago Young Amer. U16 (T1U16) 2019  11/08/00 5'08" 140 Deerfield, IL
44                                 Lake Forest Academy         
14 Julia Blitz          F 11/28/16 Washington Pride U19 (JWHL)     2019  08/14/01 X'XX" XXX Potomac, MD
25 Sarah Bukvic         F 12/16/16 Stoney Crk Sabres Mid.AA (LLMAA)2019  07/25/01 5'05" 120 ..., ON
25                                 Stoney Creek Sabres (PWHL)
22 Mikayla Capelle      F 01/25/17 Okanagan Hockey Acad Prep(CSSHL)2018  03/07/00 5'05' 130 Dawson Creek, BC
79 Jennifer Gregg *     G 01/23/16 Troy Albany Ice Cats 19U        2017  01/21/99 5'04" 130 Voorheesville, NY
12 Emily King          LW 03/15/17 Cretin-Derham Hall (Suburb.East)2019  XX/XX/0X 5'03" XXX St. Paul, MN
15 Morgan Ondrick #*    F 02/08/15 Chicago Young Amer. U19 (JWHL)  2017  10/06/98 5'08" 145 Shorewood, IL
11 Aimee Raithby *      F 12/12/16 Burlington Barracudas (PWHL)    2017  05/11/99 5'10" 142 Burlington, ON
29 Amanda Rampado       G 01/31/17 Stoney Crk Sabres Mid.AA (LLMAA)2019  11/27/01 5'05" 135 Stoney Creek, ON
 6 Lauren Severson #*   F 02/21/16 Madison Capitols U19            2017  08/05/99 5'04" 125 Rockford, IL
17 Delaney Weiss        D 09/09/16 Chicago Young Amer. U19 (JWHL)  2018  11/30/99 5'07" 152 Lake Forest, IL

* In the RPI directory
# Known to have signed National Letter of Intent
The years the men's recruits are listed as committed for are not necessarily accurate.
The dates on which some of the women are listed as committing on may be considerably after the actual dates.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Almost posted this.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3.75 star prospect Billy Jerry commits to <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey">@RPI_Hockey</a>. Big, physical, power forward. Ranked <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/83rd?src=hash">#83rd</a> '97 born NCAA Eligible prospect in US/CAN <a href="https://t.co/is6HbWa9L5">https://t.co/is6HbWa9L5</a></p>— Neutral Zone (@_Neutral_Zone) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Neutral_Zone/status/862486992227008513">May 11, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BTW, I was hoping for more than 3.75 stars, but it probably is correct.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Almost posted this.



BTW, I was hoping for more than 3.75 stars, but it probably is correct.

Under a coach, a two star can look like a four, a three can look like a five, and a four could look like a one. Although the pre-ranking is nice, I'm waiting for October.

 

[25+years]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Size matters, especially on the PP with guys like Wilson pounding the puck to the net. But what makes teams great are fast skaters, no matter how big they are who never stop moving their feet. They attack the puck, beat their opponent to the puck, and draw a lot of penalties because the opponent can't keep up and tries to slow them down. And good fast forwards back check more effectively. Yes this team needs to create more offense. Speedy forwards can do that with or without size or a 20+ goal scorer. But this team also needs to cut down the shots against. There were a lot of games the last few years where 30-40 shots were the norm. No goalie, no matter how good, can deal with that game in and game out and win on a consistent basis.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Size matters, especially on the PP with guys like Wilson pounding the puck to the net. But what makes teams great are fast skaters, no matter how big they are who never stop moving their feet. They attack the puck, beat their opponent to the puck, and draw a lot of penalties because the opponent can't keep up and tries to slow them down. And good fast forwards back check more effectively. Yes this team needs to create more offense. Speedy forwards can do that with or without size or a 20+ goal scorer. But this team also needs to cut down the shots against. There were a lot of games the last few years where 30-40 shots were the norm. No goalie, no matter how good, can deal with that game in and game out and win on a consistent basis.

A lot of that seems to be based around the defensive mentality the team has had for a long time, and I can understand you need to play two way, but the team looked lost in front of our own blue line. In the "good" seasons we had, what was the common thread? A goaltender with the ability to stand on his head all season. Each time we didn't have that, the team was exposed. Every year, we'd see recruits with great numbers, and it just wouldn't materialize in college. Some may have to do with the level of play, but I believe it was something else that hopefully we are able to fix this year.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Under a coach, a two star can look like a four, a three can look like a five, and a four could look like a one. Although the pre-ranking is nice, I'm waiting for October.

Not that much different under that system. I would be a 1 * and I can't skate.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

A lot of that seems to be based around the defensive mentality the team has had for a long time, and I can understand you need to play two way, but the team looked lost in front of our own blue line. In the "good" seasons we had, what was the common thread? A goaltender with the ability to stand on his head all season. Each time we didn't have that, the team was exposed. Every year, we'd see recruits with great numbers, and it just wouldn't materialize in college. Some may have to do with the level of play, but I believe it was something else that hopefully we are able to fix this year.

Actually we have not gotten recruits with such great numbers recently, especially the USHL.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Actually we have not gotten recruits with such great numbers recently, especially the USHL.

It doesn't have to be the USHL. Remember the excitement surrounding Laliberté, and he was playing in Canada? And to the inverse point, remember how Miller had almost zilch on the score sheet in Juniors but turned out pretty well in college?

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

It doesn't have to be the USHL. Remember the excitement surrounding Laliberté, and he was playing in Canada? And to the inverse point, remember how Miller had almost zilch on the score sheet in Juniors but turned out pretty well in college?

Yes and yes. I was trying to eliminate Laliberte by saying "recently" and "USHL". We also were high on Burgess's stats, but his injury deferred further consideration.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Yes and yes. I was trying to eliminate Laliberte by saying "recently" and "USHL". We also were high on Burgess's stats, but his injury deferred further consideration.

Same could be said about Tironese, although he's turned out decently for the time we've had him.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Same could be said about Tironese, although he's turned out decently for the time we've had him.

Good point. Note however that ET did play a year in the USHL and his stats were pretty average there.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

Good point. Note however that ET did play a year in the USHL and his stats were pretty average there.

I thought that was the year he was injured? Or did he go back to BC?

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2016-17 Part II

keeping on front page

 # Name                Ps Team (League)                      Gm- G- A-  P- PM Next Gm
55 Cory Babichuk       LD Surrey Eagles (BCHL)               46- 6-25- 31-  6 season over
 9 Jonathan Bendorf    LW Wichita Falls Wildcats (NAHL)      33-13-11- 24-  6 traded
20                        Tri-City Storm (USHL)              22- 0- 5-  5-  6 season over
                          Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)         0- 0- 0-  0-  0 for next season
                          Total                              55-13-16- 29- 12
15 Matt Cameron        RW North Jersey Avalanche U16 (AYHL)  15-12- 9- 21- 16 
15                        North Jersey Avalanche U16 (T1EHL) 24-11-12- 23- 36
                          N. Jer. Av. U16 T1EHL playoffs      5- 2- 2-  4-  2
                          N. Jer. Av. U16 AYHL playoffs       2- 3- 0-  3-  2 
                          Atlantic Affil. Tier 1 Championship at least 1 goal 2 missing games
                          Tier-I 16U National Championship    3- 1- 0-  1-  2 
                          adjustment for double counting     -3 -3 -2  -5  -4
                          non-league                          X- X- X-  X-  X missing games
                          Total                              45-26-21- 47- 54 season over
20 Austin Cho          LD Georgetown Raiders (OJHL)          53- 8-35- 43- 56 
                          playoffs                           22- 2- 7-  9-  8
                          Dudley-Hewitt Cup                   5- 0- 1-  1-  8
                          Total                              80-10-43- 53- 72 season over
 3 Mat Harris          LD Boston Jr. Bruins (USPHL Premier)  40- 3-24- 27- 18
                          playoffs                            6- 0- 0-  0-  8 
                          Total                              46- 3-24- 27- 26 season over
27 Billy Jerry         RW Madison Capitols (USHL)            58-12- 8- 20- 39 season over
33 Linden Marshall      G Trail Smoke Eaters (BCHL)      30-15-11-1-2.86-.917
                          playoffs                        8- 4- 4-0-3.52 .889
                          Total                          38-19-15-1-2.99-.912 season over
26 Jacob Modry         LD Wenatchee Wild (BCHL)              34- 2- 9- 11- 14 
                          playoffs                            6- 0- 0-  0-  0 
                          Total                              39- 2- 9- 11- 14 season over
98 Emil Ohrvall         C Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)        48-13-19- 32-  6
                          playoffs                            8- 0- 6-  6-  2
                          Total                              56-13-25- 38-  8 season over
 9 Gavin Payne         RW Langley Rivermen (BCHL)            54-16-21- 37- 35 
                          playoffs                            0- 0- 0-  0-  0 
                          Total                              54-16-21- 37- 35 season over
26 Owen Stout           C Coquitlam Express (BCHL)           22-10-18- 28- 12 season over
 5 Atte Tuliara        RD HIFK U20 (Jr. A SM-liiga)          45- 8-18- 26- 40
                          playoffs                            0- 0- 0-  0-  0
                          Total                              45- 8-18- 26- 40 season over