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RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part II)

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 # Name                Ps Team (League)                      Gm- G- A-  P- PM Next Gm
28 Bradley Bell        LD Sudbury Nickel Barons (NOJHL)      36-11-11- 22- 16 03/05/14
19 Austin Cho          LD St. Andrews College                49-13-30- 43- 18 02/28/14 missing game
16 Carlos Fornaris      C Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL)    32- 5- 6- 11- 40 02/28/14
12 Jacob Hayhurst       C Toronto Lakeshore Patriots (OJHL)  48-13-19- 32- 40 reg season over
                          playoffs                            1- 1- 1-  2-  0 02/28/14
                          total                              49-14-20- 34- 40
22 Charlie Manley      LD Austin Bruins (NAHL)               37- 0- 2-  2-  4 02/28/14
27 Drew Melanson       LW Omaha Lancers (USHL)                2- 0- 0-  0-  0 traded
25                        Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)        42-13-22- 35- 12 02/28/14
                          total                              44-13-22- 35- 12
23 Meirs Moore         LD Sioux City Musketeers (USHL)       11- 0- 0-  0-  4 traded
 8                        Fargo Force (USHL)                 27- 3- 1-  4- 26 03/01/14
                          total                              38- 3- 1-  4- 30
 9 Louis Nanne         LC Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL)        25- 3- 4-  7-  8 03/01/14
77 Michael Prapavessis LD Toronto Lakeshore Patriots (OJHL)  47- 5-49- 54-  2 reg season over
                          playoffs                            1- 0- 2-  2-  0 02/28/14
                          total                              48- 5-51- 56-  2
15 Evan Tironese       LW Green Bay Gamblers (USHL)          41- 6-22- 28- 95 02/28/14
27 Jared Wilson        LD Alberni Valley Bulldogs (BCHL)      9- 3- 5-  8- 26 traded
 9                        Vernon Vipers (BCHL)               49- 5-23- 28- 61 03/01/14
                          total                              57- 8-28- 36- 87
31 Alec Dillon          G Victoria Grizzlies (BCHL)      33-22- 6-2-2.66-.913 02/28/14


Women
 6 Josefine Hansen    D/F Shattuck-St. Mary's Prep           33- 0- 8-  8-  8 03/15/14
21 Amanda Kimmerle      D Anoka H.S. (Northwest Suburban)    25- 2- 8- 10- 16 
                          sectionals                          1- 0- 0-  0-  0 
                          total                              26- 2- 8- 10- 16 season over
44 Ana Orzechowski      D Little Caesars U19 (HPHL)          10- 1- 5-  6- 16 end league play
                          also many non-league games
12 Marisa Raspa         F NAHA White                         73- 5- 9- 14- 20 02/28/14
 4 Whitney Renn         F Little Caesars U19 (HPHL)           9- 4- 2-  6-  4 end league play
                          also many non-league games
10 Shayna Tomlinson     F St Paul's School (Keller)          24-30-22- 52-  ? reg season over
                          playoffs                            1- 2- 0-  2-  0 03/01/14
                          total                              25-32-22- 54-  ?
There are undoubtedly missing assists in Tomlinson's stats.
 
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turk181 said:
Austin Cho had 1a in St.Andrews 5-1 win..... http://cisaa_site.stats.pointstreak.com/players-boxscore.html?gameid=2397688
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That was Monday's game. Look closely. ;) SAC belongs to two leagues, the CISAA and the MPHL. The leagues' playoffs are interlocking. Rather weird! See SAC's own website http://www.sac.on.ca/athletics/teampage.aspx?TeamID=649. I wonder if there really was a game on Wednesday because it is not on the CISAA website. I had used SAC's website when I put the next game date on my post. An article on that site also doesn't mention any Wednesday game. BTW, here is the MPHL site http://themphl.stats.pointstreak.com/players-team-schedule.html?teamid=182241&seasonid=12265.

An additional problem is that SAC doesn't post at its own site immediately. It's like several of the women's teams; they post when they feel like it.

One reason that I hope that Cho moves on next season is I don't want to deal with this for a whole year. :D I suspect, however, that he will stay at SAC.


Edit: BTW, in case anyone cares CISAA stands for Conference of Independent Schools Athletic Association. That's worse than ICAC. :)
MPHL stands for Midwest Prep Hockey League.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
The three forwards are most likely Tironese, Melanson, and Nanne. The question is mainly on defense. I agree on Moore and Wilson due to age, but Moore does not appear to have adapted well to the USHL. That doesn't mean he won't be in Troy in the fall.
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That didn't stop Drew Melanson from being delayed. Of course, it also begs the question of if we're judging Moore on stats sheet alone. There's much more to see in one's game, as was clearly evident with guys like Mark Miller and Jake Wood.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
That didn't stop Drew Melanson from being delayed. Of course, it also begs the question of if we're judging Moore on stats sheet alone. There's much more to see in one's game, as was clearly evident with guys like Mark Miller and Jake Wood.
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Moore is supposed to be an offensive defenseman. I certainly agree that the stat sheet doesn't say it all. I agree about Miller and add Kasdorf.

Another mystery is Manley. He's a small defenseman who doesn't appear to have much offense and yet he has one of the best +/-s on his team http://nahl.stats.pointstreak.com/teamplayerstats.html?teamid=259116&seasonid=11164. I trust SA on this. He doesn't appear to make many errors.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Moore is supposed to be an offensive defenseman. I certainly agree that the stat sheet doesn't say it all. I agree about Miller and add Kasdorf.

Another mystery is Manley. He's a small defenseman who doesn't appear to have much offense and yet he has one of the best +/-s on his team http://nahl.stats.pointstreak.com/teamplayerstats.html?teamid=259116&seasonid=11164. I trust SA on this. He doesn't appear to make many errors.
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Not to mention, Manley gave RPI the green light three years ago.
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part II)

Ralph Baer said:
Moore is supposed to be an offensive defenseman. I certainly agree that the stat sheet doesn't say it all. I agree about Miller and add Kasdorf.

Another mystery is Manley. He's a small defenseman who doesn't appear to have much offense and yet he has one of the best +/-s on his team http://nahl.stats.pointstreak.com/teamplayerstats.html?teamid=259116&seasonid=11164. I trust SA on this. He doesn't appear to make many errors.
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Moore is an interesting case. The way he was used at Duluth East was very, very reminiscent of the way Nick Bailen was used at RPI (and Bowling Green, and Indiana), and he was good at it, too. As far as I can tell, he simply isn't being used in that capacity in the USHL, he wasn't at Sioux City and he doesn't seem to be at Fargo either. I liken this to the Pat Koudys situation at RPI - he wasn't a healthy scratch with some frequency because he was playing poorly, he simply wasn't fitting with the way the Engineers were seeking to win hockey games at that point in time. I'm still very high on Moore at RPI.

I don't think we should write off Manley at all, we were hampered for a couple of years in seeing what he could do when he was at South Kent, and then he ends up in the NAHL when we all thought he'd be in the USHL. That doesn't necessarily mean he's peaked or anything. Could just be a few bad breaks. But in comparison to guys like Prapavessis and Bell, you look at them and see guys that A) might be ready to play college hockey now and B) you probably don't want to leave dangling for the O to continue to try and snag. Sure, they can continue working them when they're in college, but the interest level goes down.

The NAHL, to me, seems to rank below the Ontario and Alberta leagues in quality. When it comes to juniors, it used to be that the USHL and the BCHL were pretty much on par, I think the USHL has established itself as the top junior league in North America, at least when it comes to feeding college programs. The BCHL is a clear #2. After that, I'd say the AJHL and the Ontario leagues, then the NAHL followed by pretty much everything else.

A lot of it just has to do with the fact that we've got two seniors on D graduating and we have a whole slew of defensemen who could potentially arrive to replace them - five if I'm counting correctly. We're not getting five, but at this point I definitely think we're getting at least three. So if nothing else, there's a luxury of being able to get another year of seasoning in for at least two guys, and Manley at least looks like he may be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the extra year.

FlagDUDE08 said:
That didn't stop Drew Melanson from being delayed. Of course, it also begs the question of if we're judging Moore on stats sheet alone. There's much more to see in one's game, as was clearly evident with guys like Mark Miller and Jake Wood.
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We don't know for sure that Melanson was delayed, he may have always been intended to come in 2014 - in fact, that was our operating assumption for quite some time. If I recall correctly we never had anything firm that said he would be coming in 2013, other than a LOI that suggested that 2013 was a possibility.
 
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realet said:
Moore is an interesting case. The way he was used at Duluth East was very, very reminiscent of the way Nick Bailen was used at RPI (and Bowling Green, and Indiana), and he was good at it, too. As far as I can tell, he simply isn't being used in that capacity in the USHL, he wasn't at Sioux City and he doesn't seem to be at Fargo either. I liken this to the Pat Koudys situation at RPI - he wasn't a healthy scratch with some frequency because he was playing poorly, he simply wasn't fitting with the way the Engineers were seeking to win hockey games at that point in time. I'm still very high on Moore at RPI.

I don't think we should write off Manley at all, we were hampered for a couple of years in seeing what he could do when he was at South Kent, and then he ends up in the NAHL when we all thought he'd be in the USHL. That doesn't necessarily mean he's peaked or anything. Could just be a few bad breaks. But in comparison to guys like Prapavessis and Bell, you look at them and see guys that A) might be ready to play college hockey now and B) you probably don't want to leave dangling for the O to continue to try and snag. Sure, they can continue working them when they're in college, but the interest level goes down.

The NAHL, to me, seems to rank below the Ontario and Alberta leagues in quality. When it comes to juniors, it used to be that the USHL and the BCHL were pretty much on par, I think the USHL has established itself as the top junior league in North America, at least when it comes to feeding college programs. The BCHL is a clear #2. After that, I'd say the AJHL and the Ontario leagues, then the NAHL followed by pretty much everything else.

A lot of it just has to do with the fact that we've got two seniors on D graduating and we have a whole slew of defensemen who could potentially arrive to replace them - five if I'm counting correctly. We're not getting five, but at this point I definitely think we're getting at least three. So if nothing else, there's a luxury of being able to get another year of seasoning in for at least two guys, and Manley at least looks like he may be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the extra year.



We don't know for sure that Melanson was delayed, he may have always been intended to come in 2014 - in fact, that was our operating assumption for quite some time. If I recall correctly we never had anything firm that said he would be coming in 2013, other than a LOI that suggested that 2013 was a possibility.
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I hope that you are correct about Moore, and you certainly could be. From the stats, it appears that he has some games, like yesterday, where is being used like Bailen was at RPI, and other games when he appears to have been invisible. (Sorry about the poor choice of words "invisible" with "appears". :) ) Bailen had a very good year in his freshman year at BGSU and wasn't bad in the USHL either.

Although I agree with you about Prapavessis, I am not sure about Bell. The NOJL is way down among the list of junior leagues. I agree with you that the USHL is #1 and BCHL is #2. I think the AJHL is #3. Then, I am not sure, but the OJHL, CJHL, and NAHL, are probably the next three in some order. I think that Bell needs a year of seasoning somewhere else or a lot of time on the bench at RPI.
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part II)

realet said:
Moore is an interesting case. The way he was used at Duluth East was very, very reminiscent of the way Nick Bailen was used at RPI (and Bowling Green, and Indiana), and he was good at it, too. As far as I can tell, he simply isn't being used in that capacity in the USHL, he wasn't at Sioux City and he doesn't seem to be at Fargo either. I liken this to the Pat Koudys situation at RPI - he wasn't a healthy scratch with some frequency because he was playing poorly, he simply wasn't fitting with the way the Engineers were seeking to win hockey games at that point in time. I'm still very high on Moore at RPI.

I don't think we should write off Manley at all, we were hampered for a couple of years in seeing what he could do when he was at South Kent, and then he ends up in the NAHL when we all thought he'd be in the USHL. That doesn't necessarily mean he's peaked or anything. Could just be a few bad breaks. But in comparison to guys like Prapavessis and Bell, you look at them and see guys that A) might be ready to play college hockey now and B) you probably don't want to leave dangling for the O to continue to try and snag. Sure, they can continue working them when they're in college, but the interest level goes down.

The NAHL, to me, seems to rank below the Ontario and Alberta leagues in quality. When it comes to juniors, it used to be that the USHL and the BCHL were pretty much on par, I think the USHL has established itself as the top junior league in North America, at least when it comes to feeding college programs. The BCHL is a clear #2. After that, I'd say the AJHL and the Ontario leagues, then the NAHL followed by pretty much everything else.

A lot of it just has to do with the fact that we've got two seniors on D graduating and we have a whole slew of defensemen who could potentially arrive to replace them - five if I'm counting correctly. We're not getting five, but at this point I definitely think we're getting at least three. So if nothing else, there's a luxury of being able to get another year of seasoning in for at least two guys, and Manley at least looks like he may be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the extra year.



We don't know for sure that Melanson was delayed, he may have always been intended to come in 2014 - in fact, that was our operating assumption for quite some time. If I recall correctly we never had anything firm that said he would be coming in 2013, other than a LOI that suggested that 2013 was a possibility.
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One reason to think delay was not only the LOI, but also him being in the RPI directory. Based upon what is at the official National Letter of Intent site at http://www.nationalletter.org/ , either either or the other is possible. The way that the site is written leads one to believe that the LOI signing is for the next year based upon titling of pages, but does not guarantee it by means of the Quick Reference Guide. Hence, ambiguity.

As for Moore and company, it just goes back to not looking for the best players, but looking for the right ones.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
One reason to think delay was not only the LOI, but also him being in the RPI directory. Based upon what is at the official National Letter of Intent site at http://www.nationalletter.org/ , either either or the other is possible. The way that the site is written leads one to believe that the LOI signing is for the next year based upon titling of pages, but does not guarantee it by means of the Quick Reference Guide. Hence, ambiguity.
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Melanson is also not the first recruit to appear in the RPI directory more than a year in advance of matriculation.
 
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realet said:
Melanson is also not the first recruit to appear in the RPI directory more than a year in advance of matriculation.
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Correct. All it apparently means is that you have gone through all the hoops of being admitted and accepting. BTW, as of yesterday, the last time I checked, he was still the only one there, although two of the women are.
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part II)

Ralph Baer said:
I hope that you are correct about Moore, and you certainly could be. From the stats, it appears that he has some games, like yesterday, where is being used like Bailen was at RPI, and other games when he appears to have been invisible. (Sorry about the poor choice of words "invisible" with "appears". :) ) Bailen had a very good year in his freshman year at BGSU and wasn't bad in the USHL either.

Although I agree with you about Prapavessis, I am not sure about Bell. The NOJL is way down among the list of junior leagues. I agree with you that the USHL is #1 and BCHL is #2. I think the AJHL is #3. Then, I am not sure, but the OJHL, CJHL, and NAHL, are probably the next three in some order. I think that Bell needs a year of seasoning somewhere else or a lot of time on the bench at RPI.
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Not so sure about those rankings here is a list of what schools 2013-2014 NAHL recruits are commited...Minnesota-Umass-Miami-U Michigan-Cornell-Air Force-Lowell-Union-Merrimak-UVM-Princeton-RPI-North Dakota-New Hampshire-Minn Mankota-Yale-Nebraska Omaha-LSSU-Colorado College-Wisconsin-Harvard-BGSU-Denver-UMD-St.Cloud-Dartmouth-St Lawrence...as Adam Sandler Say's "Not To Shabby"
 
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I would put the NAHL at least #3 if not #2 I do agree w/USHL #1
 
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troyboy said:
Not so sure about those rankings here is a list of what schools 2013-2014 NAHL recruits are commited...Minnesota-Umass-Miami-U Michigan-Cornell-Air Force-Lowell-Union-Merrimak-UVM-Princeton-RPI-North Dakota-New Hampshire-Minn Mankota-Yale-Nebraska Omaha-LSSU-Colorado College-Wisconsin-Harvard-BGSU-Denver-UMD-St.Cloud-Dartmouth-St Lawrence...as Adam Sandler Say's "Not To Shabby"
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That was just my opinion, but it is my opinion. :p
 
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troyboy said:
I would put the NAHL at least #3 if not #2 I do agree w/USHL #1
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It was ranking by quality not by number of NCAA recruits. The Canadian tier II leagues all feed the major junior leagues to a large extant.
 
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turk181 said:
Michael Prapavessis listed as the #39 prospect for the NHL draft coming out of the OHL (includes players drafted by the OHL). As a note; Sean Lafortune is an extremely respected source when it comes to the CHL..... http://thescout.ca/web/index.php/92...nett-ekblad-continue-to-sit-atop-ohl-rankings
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That's interesting.

I don't recall if you posted it before, but I see on the right that he has Hayhurst as the #6 uncommitted player to the OHL.
 
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turk181 said:
It was driving me nuts that I knew I had seen Hayhursts' name somewhere, other than TLP boxscores. Now I remember....Top 10 Uncommitted list on right (scroll half way down page)....http://thescout.ca/web/index.php ......I had even linked Sean Lafortune's tweet earlier but didn't put it together, duh!
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Ralph Baer said:
That's interesting.

I don't recall if you posted it before, but I see on the right that he has Hayhurst as the #6 uncommitted player to the OHL.
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Yes :)
 
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