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RPI Off-Season 2013 Part I: We Will Get Our Title Next Season

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Pablo said:
Probably feels he owes it to himself and his family to at least listen to what DU says. Don't get me wrong, I think DU could put together a good package for him. But lots of people go through interviews and turn down job offers. We'll see how this plays out, but with all the weirdness that has happened at DU lately, it just seems like an unpredictable situation.

DU might also be very impressed by LaLonde's USHL coaching resume. I would still prefer Appert, but this blurb on LaLonde is pretty impressive:

Lalonde led the Gamblers to a historic regular season mark of 47-9-4 this past season in route to capturing both the Anderson Cup and Clark Cup Championships. Lalonde’s 47 wins were the most for a first year head coach in USHL history surpassing former Gamblers head coach Eric Rud (41). Under the guidance of Lalonde, the team broke Tier 1 records in points (98), wins (47), road wins (25) fewest losses (9), goals scored (250) and goal differential (+112). For his efforts, Lalonde was named 2012 USHL Coach of the Year.
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But the dude is bald and Coach will be gelled to the max for his interview.
 
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Don't kid your self, RPI to DU would be considered a promotion

A winning hockey tradition, the Denver location (have you ever spent much time in Troy?), great facilities (have you seen RPI?), pretty solid fan base (much better than RPI), NHC (vs ECAC) and the built in proven staff whom he has worked with previously (and has a great relationship with Miller).

Even if DU offers him the same money he getting at RPI, it would be a step up the ladder
 
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thetruthhurts said:
Don't kid your self, RPI to DU would be considered a promotion

A winning hockey tradition, the Denver location (have you ever spent much time in Troy?), great facilities (have you seen RPI?), pretty solid fan base (much better than RPI), NHC (vs ECAC) and the built in proven staff whom he has worked with previously (and has a great relationship with Miller).

Even if DU offers him the same money he getting at RPI, it would be a step up the ladder
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Isn't the NHC in St, Clooud?
 
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thetruthhurts said:
Even if DU offers him the same money he getting at RPI, it would be a step up the ladder
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There's also an emotional connection no doubt. That's what it all comes down to, this one crucial point: does DU offer him the position in the first place?
 
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Today is 10 April 2013. There are 178 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 5 October 2013 for the start of next season.
 
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Pablo said:
AspyDad--not trying to sandbag as a DU fan, but I don't agree with you. If DU deems Appert to be the best candidate, I think it would take a fantastic offer to get Appert away from RPI. I imagine Appert is very attached to RPI, and would love to follow through on what he has been building there.
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I do think that he would like to follow through on what he has been doing at RPI, and he is very close to doing it, but if he gets the Denver job, I expect that he will take it. There is the possibility that he will meet Ms. Hyphen and decide that he would prefer staying 2000 miles from her -- I know that I would. :)
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I do think that he would like to follow through on what he has been doing at RPI, and he is very close to doing it, but if he gets the Denver job, I expect that he will take it. There is the possibility that he will meet Ms. Hyphen and decide that he would prefer staying 2000 miles from her -- I know that I would. :)
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Exactly right RB. If your Apps, you HAVE to interview, that is a given. But there are of course variables, a few of which being: 1) Do they offer it to you, 2) Do you REALLY want to work for the Hyphen ? 3) Do you REALLY want to be the guy that immediately follows the guy - who they just ran out of town in less than classy fashion? 4)Do I use the leverage I just created by interviewing at DU to increase my salary and stay in Troy to finish what I started ( I think there is a ceiling to what RPI will pay, and they may be close to it already)?

Plenty of questions -- time will tell. My gut says if they offer, he'll likely go...but I'd be thrilled to be wrong on this one.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Exactly right RB. If your Apps, you HAVE to interview, that is a given. But there are of course variables, a few of which being: 1) Do they offer it to you, 2) Do you REALLY want to work for the Hyphen ? 3) Do you REALLY want to be the guy that immediately follows the guy - who they just ran out of town in less than classy fashion? 4)Do I use the leverage I just created by interviewing at DU to increase my salary and stay in Troy to finish what I started ( I think there is a ceiling to what RPI will pay, and they may be close to it already)?

Plenty of questions -- time will tell. My gut says if they offer, he'll likely go...but I'd be thrilled to be wrong on this one.
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Not trying to blow smoke up the *** of those that believe this, but if one of the reasons cited by Denver was lack of success in the national scene, then why the heck would they want to hire Appert? Sure, the recruiting is good, and his teams have shown that they can be competitive against some of the best in the country (OOC records in the past few years are evidence enough of that), but if Denver's concern is the playoffs, what has he done as a head coach? Jack squat. Obviously Appert's that "missing link" that left just before Gwoz started to have his "fall", but he was an assistant most likely in charge of recruits and goaltending, possibly also defence and PK.

OK, I'm done ranting.
 
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I'm guessing that the interview was offered to Seth and he accepted the interview because it's the right thing for both parties to do. I think even if he is not interested in the job, he would be doing a disservice to himself and his family, by not checking out any of the very limited opportunities there are in being a head coach at the Division 1 level. There are alot of dynamics that make this a unique situation, none more than the way Gwoz was dismissed and the relationship between him and Seth. Another being a seemingly unstable situation in the DU athletics department. I wouldn't say it would be a long shot in Seth becoming the DU coach but I still think the situations both parties are in would dictate a different direction.

This leads us to, what if he leaves? Could we lose recruits? Will Monty be in Maine by then? Is Ben Barr ready? Is Gwoz a reach due to salary constraints? Lots to think about!
 
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johnk said:
I'm guessing that the interview was offered to Seth and he accepted the interview because it's the right thing for both parties to do. I think even if he is not interested in the job, he would be doing a disservice to himself and his family, by not checking out any of the very limited opportunities there are in being a head coach at the Division 1 level. There are alot of dynamics that make this a unique situation, none more than the way Gwoz was dismissed and the relationship between him and Seth. Another being a seemingly unstable situation in the DU athletics department. I wouldn't say it would be a long shot in Seth becoming the DU coach but I still think the situations both parties are in would dictate a different direction.
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One other element to consider: as you said, he almost "has to" interview....and if someone else is then hired, he can then come back to the team and say, "you guys are just too special to me for me to leave you just when things are starting to jell in a wonderful way. Now, let's go out and get to that Frozen Four." It could (one daydreams at least!) lead to a boost of morale and energy for our guys for OGC to be considered for such a tradition-rich program and then return here.

Also, I think OGC and the administration might agree that, rather than increase OGC's compensation (bad precedent and all that), they might spend more money instead on assistant coaches, facilities, what have you. If OGC has leverage and wants to use it, I'd suggest to him that he use it in the direction of making the program better / making his life easier / creating a lasting legacy here.

Every "rich" person I know says that after a certain point, the money doesn't matter as money per se; it matters more as a way to "keep score": am I doing the best I possibly could be doing? "Philanthopy" and an abundance of material success have always been linked in our national tradition, and expressing it in this creative way would be a winner for all parties.
 
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johnk said:
I'm guessing that the interview was offered to Seth and he accepted the interview because it's the right thing for both parties to do. I think even if he is not interested in the job, he would be doing a disservice to himself and his family, by not checking out any of the very limited opportunities there are in being a head coach at the Division 1 level. There are alot of dynamics that make this a unique situation, none more than the way Gwoz was dismissed and the relationship between him and Seth. Another being a seemingly unstable situation in the DU athletics department. I wouldn't say it would be a long shot in Seth becoming the DU coach but I still think the situations both parties are in would dictate a different direction.

This leads us to, what if he leaves? Could we lose recruits? Will Monty be in Maine by then? Is Ben Barr ready? Is Gwoz a reach due to salary constraints? Lots to think about!
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Very well said. Right on point. College Hockey News twitter quotes Monty interested in Maine job. If he declines I expect his path to lead to the pros.
 
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AspyDad said:
Miller goes w/ gwoz.
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Gwoz most likely will be un-employeed for a year. He is not going to just jump at any open position. He wants the "right job" and has at least a year to find or wait for it to open up.

Miller will stay, especially if they hire Appert. Miller has been the recruiting face for DU and is key in keeping recruits here like Butcher. Grant it, his resume is out there now and he will get offers to go else where.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Not trying to blow smoke up the *** of those that believe this, but if one of the reasons cited by Denver was lack of success in the national scene, then why the heck would they want to hire Appert? Sure, the recruiting is good, and his teams have shown that they can be competitive against some of the best in the country (OOC records in the past few years are evidence enough of that), but if Denver's concern is the playoffs, what has he done as a head coach? Jack squat. Obviously Appert's that "missing link" that left just before Gwoz started to have his "fall", but he was an assistant most likely in charge of recruits and goaltending, possibly also defence and PK.

OK, I'm done ranting.
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The lack of success at the National level was the "excuse" DU used to fire him (not performing to university high standard). The "reason" he was fired is that he rub some people high up the food chain the wrong way during his contract neg.

Even though Appert is a good recruiter, "top end recruits" are not running to RPI for the obvious reasons when those reason can be addressed by attending a different program. Its the Hamburger vs Steak choice for these "top recruits" and the steak usually wins out.

Anybody can coach talent, but teams who are having success with out are usually the mark of a great coach (see Bazin-UML)
 
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thetruthhurts said:
Even though Appert is a good recruiter, "top end recruits" are not running to RPI for the obvious reasons when those reason can be addressed by attending a different program. Its the Hamburger vs Steak choice for these "top recruits" and the steak usually wins out.
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lol
 
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