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RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!

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sezenack said:
Nothing to lose though. We had a very competitive game to open the season with them. UMass will be missing Zac Jones but adds Marc Del Gaizo who was injured for the first matchup, so that's a net zero. However, UMass has Olympic-sized ice and has tons of speed all over the ice, so it plays to their advantage. Despite that, we outplayed them 2/3 periods and could have won if not for a horrible second period. The smaller ice will benefit RPI, and I expect another competitive game. No way that I can actually predict a victory, but like the season opener, it'll be much, much closer than everyone seems to think
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Don't get me wrong at all. I was just quoting from a very reliable betting source. I think we showed earlier this year that we can match up well with UMass and I am one who really believes in match ups. Especially if our coach can utilize the advantage of having the last change and getting his personnel out there that he wants against the other team at the proper times. There are some teams that for what ever reason, we just match up poorly against and they are just that much tougher for us. I do think as you do that the size of the ice surface is significant. But I am hoping this is a low scoring tight checking game because I do not see us faring well in a high scoring shootout.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
One thing to add, Maine's goalie Jim Tortorella (sp?) scored a goal against Vasby with Vasby's goalie in the net. I did not know until many years later that this was a first. It has happened since then.

Edit: I spelled it correctly. :) https://board.uscho.com/showthread....lick-2011-12&p=5240749&viewfull=1#post5240749
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We were there for that and to be honest, missed the goal being scored as we were out of our seats talking with friends. I had thought he had scored into an empty net until many years later was informed of the rarity of the feat! Saw a similar thing happen at MSG in the NHL when the Islanders goalie (Billy Smith) scored one against my beloved Rangers while the Ranger Goalie was still on the ice officially but was heading towards the bench for the Rangers to get an extra skater near the end of the game. Officially it counted as being scored at even strength and not with the Ranger goalie pulled as he was still within a few feet of the net.
 
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DrDemento said:
We were there for that and to be honest, missed the goal being scored as we were out of our seats talking with friends. I had thought he had scored into an empty net until many years later was informed of the rarity of the feat! Saw a similar thing happen at MSG in the NHL when the Islanders goalie (Billy Smith) scored one against my beloved Rangers while the Ranger Goalie was still on the ice officially but was heading towards the bench for the Rangers to get an extra skater near the end of the game. Officially it counted as being scored at even strength and not with the Ranger goalie pulled as he was still within a few feet of the net.
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I was not at the game, but I saw it on TV. It was the first goal credited to a goalie in the NHL, and Smith didn't even shoot the puck. The Rangers put it in there own net and Smith was the last Islander to touch it, so he got credit for the goal.
Very strange play all around.
 
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DrDemento said:
We were there for that and to be honest, missed the goal being scored as we were out of our seats talking with friends. I had thought he had scored into an empty net until many years later was informed of the rarity of the feat!
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As I wrote in the link from 2011, I was standing behind the end that Tortorella was shooting getting ready to rush to the snack bar. If it happened now, I would probably be in the men's room. :)
 
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Waite21 said:
The last year the RPI tournament used the round robin format was during the 1980-81 season, and they really had to do some digging to get teams to come and play three games. They wound up inviting Vasby (a club team from Sweden) and Holy Cross (Mike Addesa's old team), and still had trouble finding a third team.

Finally, Maine agreed to come and join the tournament, but only on the condition that their game against RPI would count as an ECAC league game. (This was before Hockey East split from the ECAC.) They didn't want to come all the way to Troy to play a tournament game that wouldn't count in the league standings and then come back to Troy later in the season to play a league game.

There was a problem with this. Traditionally, overtime periods were never played in the RPI tournament, on the grounds that playing three 60-minute games in three nights was as much as college hockey players should be asked to do. But in order for the RPI - Maine game to count in the ECAC standings, they would have to play overtime if the game were tied after 60 minutes.

It was finally decided that if RPI and Maine were tied at the end of 60 minutes, they would play overtime, but for the purposes of the tournament, the RPI - Maine game would be considered to end at the end of 60 minutes. The overtime would count in the ECAC standings but the championship of the tournament would be decided as if the overtime had never happened.

The rules of the tournament specified that if two teams finished with the same W-L-T record over the three nights, the championship would be decided by most total goals scored. Against Vasby and Holy Cross, two defensively-challenged teams, RPI rang up a total of 22 goals - and Maine scored even more.

This led to the interesting situation where, if the RPI - Maine game had gone to overtime and if RPI had scored in the overtime, it would have been possible for RPI to go 3-0 over the course of three nights and not win the tournament, since Maine would have been declared the tournament champion on the basis of total goals over 180 minutes.

But that didn't happen. Maine beat RPI 5-3 and won the tournament, no questions asked.
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That's something new I hadn't heard before. Thanks for sharing. :D
 
DrDemento said:
Don't get me wrong at all. I was just quoting from a very reliable betting source. I think we showed earlier this year that we can match up well with UMass and I am one who really believes in match ups. Especially if our coach can utilize the advantage of having the last change and getting his personnel out there that he wants against the other team at the proper times. There are some teams that for what ever reason, we just match up poorly against and they are just that much tougher for us. I do think as you do that the size of the ice surface is significant. But I am hoping this is a low scoring tight checking game because I do not see us faring well in a high scoring shootout.
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UMass is ranked 9th and We are ranked 51st I cannot think of any circumstance we would be favored or even a toss up thats just plain nuts. Whether we play them at their rink our rink or in outer space a win would be a significant upset to think otherwise is delusional. Having said that if we can figure that out it would be a major jump start to the second half...here's hoping.
 
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So I’m the PA announcer for a HS hockey team, and I play the music as well. They had a tournament this weekend, and since I get to sit in the PA booth, naturally I played “Call me Al.” the RPI affiliated people got a kick out of it. :D
 
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jericho said:
So I’m the PA announcer for a HS hockey team, and I play the music as well. They had a tournament this weekend, and since I get to sit in the PA booth, naturally I played “Call me Al.” the RPI affiliated people got a kick out of it. :D
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Any potential RPI recruits in the bunch? And are these local teams playing?
 
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RPI fan 4 life said:
Any potential RPI recruits in the bunch? And are these local teams playing?
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CBA played Canisius. I’ll go out on a pretty secure limb and say there aren’t any D1 quality players from either school.
 
turk181 said:
CBA played Canisius. I’ll go out on a pretty secure limb and say there aren’t any D1 quality players from either school.
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No, but I believe Canisius is where Hunter MacDonald played last year. People would know better than I. I was talking to the Canisius coach and this is the B team, as the “better” kids from that school play for the Jr Sabres

Edit: CBA also had a kid, Hunter Pemrick, who had over 100 points in his career at CBA, scoring 55 goals. Approximately 20 games per season so his PPG was excellent. I thought he could have been a marginal DI talent with more development, but he is playing DI lacrosse this year.
 
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turk181 said:
CBA played Canisius. I’ll go out on a pretty secure limb and say there aren’t any D1 quality players from either school.
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Canisius didn't look that bad when RPI played them. ;)
 
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jericho said:
No, but I believe Canisius is where Hunter MacDonald played last year. People would know better than I. I was talking to the Canisius coach and this is the B team, as the “better” kids from that school play for the Jr Sabres

Edit: CBA also had a kid, Hunter Pemrick, who had over 100 points in his career at CBA, scoring 55 goals. Approximately 20 games per season so his PPG was excellent. I thought he could have been a marginal DI talent with more development, but he is playing DI lacrosse this year.
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McDonald played for Fairport HS as well as midget with the Rochester Coalition last year. He is still going to school there but no longer plays HS hockey.
 
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jericho said:
No, but I believe Canisius is where Hunter MacDonald played last year. People would know better than I. I was talking to the Canisius coach and this is the B team, as the “better” kids from that school play for the Jr Sabres

Edit: CBA also had a kid, Hunter Pemrick, who had over 100 points in his career at CBA, scoring 55 goals. Approximately 20 games per season so his PPG was excellent. I thought he could have been a marginal DI talent with more development, but he is playing DI lacrosse this year.
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Pemerick was a nice player but Bethlehem had Tommy Liebold (2018 POY) with 69 career goals and 136pts career & last year’s POY, Michael Bievenue, with 52 goals in 24 games & 139 career points. Neither is of D1 caliber. Both are now playing jr. hockey. Liebold in the NA3HL with Elmira & Bievenue with CP Dynamo.
 
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turk181 said:
Pemerick was a nice player but Bethlehem had Tommy Liebold (2018 POY) with 69 career goals and 136pts career & last year’s POY, Michael Bievenue, with 52 goals in 24 games & 139 career points. Neither is of D1 caliber. Both are now playing jr. hockey. Liebold in the NA3HL with Elmira & Bievenue with CP Dynamo.
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There is hockey talent in the Capital District, but it is rare to see Division I-caliber players compete as upperclassmen for a Section II program because the league never enjoyed a reputation of having a high level of competition. Better players from Section II schools have been gravitating towards select programs or NEPSAC schools for a long time to get better competition and visibility. I can recall a few players who went directly from a Section II team to NCAA DI, but that was almost 30 years ago when the amateur hockey landscape in the U.S. was a bit different.
 
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Kids played hard tonight, didn't give up, and had some very nice scoring plays, but UMass is at a different level in terms of skating an skill. Solid goaltending kept RPI in the game early, as UMass had the first 10-12 shots on goal.
 
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