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RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!

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We miss a lot of things about the good old days of RPI hockey but I think the Tournament ranks as the thing we miss most. It was just a full weekend of hockey regardless of all the teams involved. Sometimes we had top teams and other times it was fairly mediocre. But we got to see teams that otherwise would never had come to Troy whether it be from Canada or the rest of our own country. Could care less if it was held in November or December. I am sure there were reasons given for cancelling but it was a big part of the program and we felt a stake driven through the program with it's demise.

Does anyone know why the tournament faded away? Was it as simple as failing to find teams with open slots on their schedule? I am sure everyone saw the article on holiday tournaments on the main USCHO page, but it is a poor piece that fails to examine the reasons behind declining holiday tournaments.
 
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Not looking good according to bettors for Sunday. UMass is a big favorite at 82% to 11% with a predicted score of 4-1 and you just do not often see teams made 3 goal favorites that often.
 
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I was just thinking about the tournament last night. My first experience with RPI hockey was the 1973 tournament. Without looking it up I think it was Dartmouth, Ohio State and BU. A kids dream with 6 hours of hockey for 3 straight nights. After that I was hooked and several families had season tickets together up until 2014. A great 40 year run with some great memories. Now, I still go to a few games but it's just not that much fun.

I had been to all of them from 1963 on and Jenny joined me from 1975 to they ended it. Always felt it was a huge bargain and almost always made a long weekend out of it arriving a day or two early. A big bonus was when the visiting teams would stay in the same motel (Holiday Inn - later the Rensselaer Inn) and we could meet many of them in the bar for drinks.
 
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Do they realize that for those of us that actually loved the Christmas Tournament this kind of reminder is a kick in the teeth? Let's send out another one that says, "Did you know that for 100 years RPI had a student run union?"

Precisely. Whomever runs PR for the Institute is incredibly tone-deaf.
 
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Not looking good according to bettors for Sunday. UMass is a big favorite at 82% to 11% with a predicted score of 4-1 and you just do not often see teams made 3 goal favorites that often.

"Don't tell me the odds"
Han Solo
 
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I was just thinking about the tournament last night. My first experience with RPI hockey was the 1973 tournament. Without looking it up I think it was Dartmouth, Ohio State and BU. A kids dream with 6 hours of hockey for 3 straight nights. After that I was hooked and several families had season tickets together up until 2014. A great 40 year run with some great memories. Now, I still go to a few games but it's just not that much fun.

My first live hockey experience was the Western Michigan & Western Ontario tounament - 1979? I was hooked. Now? I guess if I needed to hear the Macarena, I'd love the experience. Blah!
 
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I loved the double games in the holiday tourney as a kid growing up. if I remember correctly it was due to rpi didn't have a major sponsor to cover the other teams 3 of them hotel food etc?
 
I have no insights....but would bet a ham sandwich that Marshall will depart in the office season, if not sooner. If he wants to continue playing hockey, why would he stay ?
Well I read the Red Army articles. I am not up to speed on the process. Are these guys able to de commit ? If there is a log jam and they can play elsewhere, is there a price to pay? As to the goalie situation, let’s not forget that Savory has not been putting the world on fire with his play. I’d say the goalie situation is very much up in the air and who stays and who goes (if there is somewhere to go) will be dependent on who stands out the rest of the season. In my mind it would have to be a place where they would play and would also depend on where things are for them academically .
 
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Does anyone know why the tournament faded away? Was it as simple as failing to find teams with open slots on their schedule? I am sure everyone saw the article on holiday tournaments on the main USCHO page, but it is a poor piece that fails to examine the reasons behind declining holiday tournaments.

My understanding is that it was a combination of factors, but basically that to get good teams, we would have to guarantee them two games in their arena and we, of course, would only play them at most once in ours. This was after it was switched from a round robin to a two-day format. It was completely impossible to get teams willing to play three games. The best thing was to get other teams who also ran tourneys at a different time of year since they might be willing to do a swap.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is so much I would like to say..........but I will keep it to myself. <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_HockeyCoach?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_HockeyCoach</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_Hockey</a> <a href="https://t.co/r0ZPYUI9wC">https://t.co/r0ZPYUI9wC</a></p>— Joe Wood (@RPIWoody) <a href="https://twitter.com/RPIWoody/status/1210623354253783040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Well I read the Red Army articles. I am not up to speed on the process. Are these guys able to de commit ? If there is a log jam and they can play elsewhere, is there a price to pay? As to the goalie situation, let’s not forget that Savory has not been putting the world on fire with his play. I’d say the goalie situation is very much up in the air and who stays and who goes (if there is somewhere to go) will be dependent on who stands out the rest of the season. In my mind it would have to be a place where they would play and would also depend on where things are for them academically .

They are able to commit, but there is currently nothing keeping them from changing their minds if something which they think is better comes along.
 
Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!

Well I read the Red Army articles. I am not up to speed on the process. Are these guys able to de commit ? If there is a log jam and they can play elsewhere, is there a price to pay? As to the goalie situation, let’s not forget that Savory has not been putting the world on fire with his play. I’d say the goalie situation is very much up in the air and who stays and who goes (if there is somewhere to go) will be dependent on who stands out the rest of the season. In my mind it would have to be a place where they would play and would also depend on where things are for them academically .

for 10 years we were use to our goalies getting better with seth now they are getting worse with smith go I hope this new commitment is great coming in
 
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for 10 years we were use to our goalies getting better with seth now they are getting worse with smith go I hope this new commitment is great coming in

Allen York and Jason Kasdorf were excellent goaltenders but the others I saw post-York were very inconsistent, sometimes to the degree of being a liability. Savory is a very good goaltender and whatever you think of RPI the last two seasons, I think it is clear RPI would have a significantly smaller number of wins had Savory not been here.
 
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Allen York and Jason Kasdorf were excellent goaltenders but the others I saw post-York were very inconsistent, sometimes to the degree of being a liability. Savory is a very good goaltender and whatever you think of RPI the last two seasons, I think it is clear RPI would have a significantly smaller number of wins had Savory not been here.

He is not an assistant coach, but I suspect that Lange helps coach the goalies this year. I have no idea how he is as a coach.
 
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Not looking good according to bettors for Sunday. UMass is a big favorite at 82% to 11% with a predicted score of 4-1 and you just do not often see teams made 3 goal favorites that often.

Nothing to lose though. We had a very competitive game to open the season with them. UMass will be missing Zac Jones but adds Marc Del Gaizo who was injured for the first matchup, so that's a net zero. However, UMass has Olympic-sized ice and has tons of speed all over the ice, so it plays to their advantage. Despite that, we outplayed them 2/3 periods and could have won if not for a horrible second period. The smaller ice will benefit RPI, and I expect another competitive game. No way that I can actually predict a victory, but like the season opener, it'll be much, much closer than everyone seems to think
 
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He is not an assistant coach, but I suspect that Lange helps coach the goalies this year. I have no idea how he is as a coach.

I am sure the volunteer coach Skidmore also helps the goaltenders since he was one when he played
 
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My understanding is that it was a combination of factors, but basically that to get good teams, we would have to guarantee them two games in their arena and we, of course, would only play them at most once in ours. This was after it was switched from a round robin to a two-day format. It was completely impossible to get teams willing to play three games. The best thing was to get other teams who also ran tourneys at a different time of year since they might be willing to do a swap.

The last year the RPI tournament used the round robin format was during the 1980-81 season, and they really had to do some digging to get teams to come and play three games. They wound up inviting Vasby (a club team from Sweden) and Holy Cross (Mike Addesa's old team), and still had trouble finding a third team.

Finally, Maine agreed to come and join the tournament, but only on the condition that their game against RPI would count as an ECAC league game. (This was before Hockey East split from the ECAC.) They didn't want to come all the way to Troy to play a tournament game that wouldn't count in the league standings and then come back to Troy later in the season to play a league game.

There was a problem with this. Traditionally, overtime periods were never played in the RPI tournament, on the grounds that playing three 60-minute games in three nights was as much as college hockey players should be asked to do. But in order for the RPI - Maine game to count in the ECAC standings, they would have to play overtime if the game were tied after 60 minutes.

It was finally decided that if RPI and Maine were tied at the end of 60 minutes, they would play overtime, but for the purposes of the tournament, the RPI - Maine game would be considered to end at the end of 60 minutes. The overtime would count in the ECAC standings but the championship of the tournament would be decided as if the overtime had never happened.

The rules of the tournament specified that if two teams finished with the same W-L-T record over the three nights, the championship would be decided by most total goals scored. Against Vasby and Holy Cross, two defensively-challenged teams, RPI rang up a total of 22 goals - and Maine scored even more.

This led to the interesting situation where, if the RPI - Maine game had gone to overtime and if RPI had scored in the overtime, it would have been possible for RPI to go 3-0 over the course of three nights and not win the tournament, since Maine would have been declared the tournament champion on the basis of total goals over 180 minutes.

But that didn't happen. Maine beat RPI 5-3 and won the tournament, no questions asked.
 
Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!

The last year the RPI tournament used the round robin format was during the 1980-81 season, and they really had to do some digging to get teams to come and play three games. They wound up inviting Vasby (a club team from Sweden) and Holy Cross (Mike Addesa's old team), and still had trouble finding a third team.

Finally, Maine agreed to come and join the tournament, but only on the condition that their game against RPI would count as an ECAC league game. (This was before Hockey East split from the ECAC.) They didn't want to come all the way to Troy to play a tournament game that wouldn't count in the league standings and then come back to Troy later in the season to play a league game.

There was a problem with this. Traditionally, overtime periods were never played in the RPI tournament, on the grounds that playing three 60-minute games in three nights was as much as college hockey players should be asked to do. But in order for the RPI - Maine game to count in the ECAC standings, they would have to play overtime if the game were tied after 60 minutes.

It was finally decided that if RPI and Maine were tied at the end of 60 minutes, they would play overtime, but for the purposes of the tournament, the RPI - Maine game would be considered to end at the end of 60 minutes. The overtime would count in the ECAC standings but the championship of the tournament would be decided as if the overtime had never happened.

The rules of the tournament specified that if two teams finished with the same W-L-T record over the three nights, the championship would be decided by most total goals scored. Against Vasby and Holy Cross, two defensively-challenged teams, RPI rang up a total of 22 goals - and Maine scored even more.

This led to the interesting situation where, if the RPI - Maine game had gone to overtime and if RPI had scored in the overtime, it would have been possible for RPI to go 3-0 over the course of three nights and not win the tournament, since Maine would have been declared the tournament champion on the basis of total goals over 180 minutes.

But that didn't happen. Maine beat RPI 5-3 and won the tournament, no questions asked.
One thing to add, Maine's goalie Jim Tortorella (sp?) scored a goal against Vasby with Vasby's goalie in the net. I did not know until many years later that this was a first. It has happened since then.

Edit: I spelled it correctly. :) https://board.uscho.com/showthread....lick-2011-12&p=5240749&viewfull=1#post5240749
 
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