RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Could only listen in the car-but it sure sounded like we had our usual face off catastrophe. I do not have the numbers but I am not sure we even won a quarter of the face offs. If we do that against SLU will will pay for it.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Could only listen in the car-but it sure sounded like we had our usual face off catastrophe. I do not have the numbers but I am not sure we even won a quarter of the face offs. If we do that against SLU will will pay for it.

For what it's worth, the majority of our goals vs. SLU this year have been on the counter attack, actually all three of the five on clean breaks (the PS was caused as the result of a clean break, not thrown equipment or delay of game within the final two minutes or overtime). The other two were essentially generated by the foot-in-the-crease-draft pick. I do not foresee us to be as lucky this time around.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Shut up...really... shut up. We haven't done anything but you would be calling for the man's head if he lost. Grow up and let people enjoy nice gutsy win.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AspyDad again.


You might want to use the ignore setting for that one, it is much pleasanter now that way, especially in the score updates thread. My screen is now so much cleaner and neater that way.

 

[Jasma]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Shut up...really... shut up. We haven't done anything but you would be calling for the man's head if he lost. Grow up and let people enjoy nice gutsy win. This is why nobody posts on this thread.

Well said, but it would be better to just ignore the troll. Let's keep the positive vibes going. LGR!

 

[DeepRed72]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Of course, Frank is going to be mad at me. I was so quick to take a shot at all the Appert haters that I forgot Nealie. Congrats to the seniors!!!

Hey AspyDad, your conclusions are all wrong. Just because some of us have realized that after 9 years of a massively losing record that Appert is not a good coach it does not follow that we are "Appert haters." I have never met him and for all I know he seems like he cares and certainly is philanthropic. But being a good guy does not necessarily translate to being a good coach. When he makes adjustments and they work I would be the first to applaud him but those instances have been far outweighed by the opposite. Congrats to him and the team for moving on to the quarterfinals. Lets enjoy but lets not get too excited. We advanced against a team that was not much better than ours, if any. And if you look at the three games in total we had more penalties, got out-faceoffed (is that a word?), outshot and outscored. A repeat of that formula next weekend will equate to our swansong. And don't count on going 12-for-12 on the PK again. The fact that Kazzy stood on his head two out of the three games is solely why this team is still playing.

 

[DeepRed72]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Could only listen in the car-but it sure sounded like we had our usual face off catastrophe. I do not have the numbers but I am not sure we even won a quarter of the face offs. If we do that against SLU will will pay for it.

Doc, it was worse than a catastrophe. The three-game totals were Clarkson: 112, RPI: 64, a putrid 36%.

 

[Jasma]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Doc, it was worse than a catastrophe. The three-game totals were Clarkson: 112, RPI: 64, a putrid 36%.

I knew it was bad, but didn't realize it was that bad. Faceoffs have been a problem all year, but it seems even worse the past month or so. Faceoff wins lead to puck possession, which is critical, especially against a team as skilled as SLU. If SLU has a a large advantage in faceoffs, it could be along weekend because I doubt that they will miss the net as often as Clarkson.
LGR!

 

[lugnut92]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Doc, it was worse than a catastrophe. The three-game totals were Clarkson: 112, RPI: 64, a putrid 36%.

Wow. You don't by any chance have the zone-by-zone breakdowns, do you? It seemed to me that every single offensive zone faceoff we had, we lost.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Hey AspyDad, your conclusions are all wrong. Just because some of us have realized that after 9 years of a massively losing record that Appert is not a good coach it does not follow that we are "Appert haters." I have never met him and for all I know he seems like he cares and certainly is philanthropic. But being a good guy does not necessarily translate to being a good coach. When he makes adjustments and they work I would be the first to applaud him but those instances have been far outweighed by the opposite. Congrats to him and the team for moving on to the quarterfinals. Lets enjoy but lets not get too excited. We advanced against a team that was not much better than ours, if any. And if you look at the three games in total we had more penalties, got out-faceoffed (is that a word?), outshot and outscored. A repeat of that formula next weekend will equate to our swansong. And don't count on going 12-for-12 on the PK again. The fact that Kazzy stood on his head two out of the three games is solely why this team is still playing.

Having met the guy, he's a nice guy, a good recruiter, and a good goaltending coach. Is he a good bench coach? Hardly. And unfortunately, that is one of the primary expectations for a head coach. If you want to pass tactics over to your assistants, fine. However, there must be some say from Appert on tactics, given the Monty and Graham offences seem pretty similar, as are the Kurulak and Vines defences. Yes, it is true that, as the old saying goes, "Players win, coaches lose." Sure, the captains can get the players fired up somewhat, but the coach has got to be able to do something with that as well.

It's not like these kids don't have talent, because they certainly do. It's a coach's job to take said talent and use it for the betterment of the team as a whole. One common thread in the past few years is that the players seem to be playing for the name on the back, not the name on the front.

 

[DeepRed72]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Wow. You don't by any chance have the zone-by-zone breakdowns, do you? It seemed to me that every single offensive zone faceoff we had, we lost.

No. Only the game totals by game.

Game 1: 19 to 35 35.5%
Game 2: 27 to 37 42.2%
Game 3: 18 to 40 31.0%

Curiously the game we lost was our best face off performance of the three.

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

No. Only the game totals by game.

Game 1: 19 to 35 35.5%
Game 2: 27 to 37 42.2%
Game 3: 18 to 40 31.0%

Curiously the game we lost was our best face off performance of the three.

Even i did not realize that the numbers were that bad, especially in game 3. Well, we have been asking this team to be consistent and they sure are when it comes to face offs. Can it be so hard to improve these numbers? is this not something that could have been easily practiced or remedied or taught? Being penalized far more than an opponent in almost every game and losing 65% of all faceoffs is just a recipe for disaster. Or maybe it is the recipe for chicken parmigiana? i know it is the recipe for something.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

No. Only the game totals by game.

Game 1: 19 to 35 35.5%
Game 2: 27 to 37 42.2%
Game 3: 18 to 40 31.0%

Curiously the game we lost was our best face off performance of the three.

Perhaps this is one of the reasons why, in the pregame for game 3, Appert mentioned he liked us better in game 2 than game 1.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

Even i did not realize that the numbers were that bad, especially in game 3. Well, we have been asking this team to be consistent and they sure are when it comes to face offs. Can it be so hard to improve these numbers? is this not something that could have been easily practiced or remedied or taught? Being penalized far more than an opponent in almost every game and losing 65% of all faceoffs is just a recipe for disaster. Or maybe it is the recipe for chicken parmigiana? i know it is the recipe for something.

Here's the kicker about practicing faceoffs: you're practicing with the team, unless Graham or Cavosie are hunkering in to take them (I'd assume they're the ones dropping the puck). Sure, it's all about positioning and reaction time, but how do you gauge that?

As for the PIM, they were CCT 6 - 10 RPI, CCT 16 - 27 RPI, and CCT 18 - 10 RPI. Throwing out the misconducts, that's 6 - 10, 16 - 17, and 8 - 10. I wouldn't exactly call that far more. It is true, though, that time in the box is not good.

 

[hrbrendan]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

For what it's worth, the majority of our goals vs. SLU this year have been on the counter attack, actually all three of the five on clean breaks (the PS was caused as the result of a clean break, not thrown equipment or delay of game within the final two minutes or overtime). The other two were essentially generated by the foot-in-the-crease-draft pick. I do not foresee us to be as lucky this time around.

On a somewhat related note, was it my imagination or did we have more odd man rushes & offense generated on the counter attack this weekend than normal? Generally we're a set it up in the zone and grind out goals kind of team, but I got the feeling this weekend that they were being more aggressive than usual. It may just be a function of winning some games, but it was nice to see.

 

[DeepRed72]

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Here's the kicker about practicing faceoffs: you're practicing with the team, unless Graham or Cavosie are hunkering in to take them (I'd assume they're the ones dropping the puck). Sure, it's all about positioning and reaction time, but how do you gauge that?

As for the PIM, they were CCT 6 - 10 RPI, CCT 16 - 27 RPI, and CCT 18 - 10 RPI. Throwing out the misconducts, that's 6 - 10, 16 - 17, and 8 - 10. I wouldn't exactly call that far more. It is true, though, that time in the box is not good.

Well it is a matter of opinion as to what constitutes 'far more'. Supporting the Doc's observation is that in total this year we have had 108 powerplays vs. 166 penalty kills. In my book, that is consistently 'far more'. While not to that degree in the 3 playoff games, the disturbing trend is still there.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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On a somewhat related note, was it my imagination or did we have more odd man rushes & offense generated on the counter attack this weekend than normal? Generally we're a set it up in the zone and grind out goals kind of team, but I got the feeling this weekend that they were being more aggressive than usual. It may just be a function of winning some games, but it was nice to see.

Or it's a function that the set plays just aren't working and we have problems retaining possession, so we develop a counter-attack mentality. That's a perfectly viable option in any sport.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Well it is a matter of opinion as to what constitutes 'far more'. Supporting the Doc's observation is that in total this year we have had 108 powerplays vs. 166 penalty kills. In my book, that is consistently 'far more'. While not to that degree in the 3 playoff games, the disturbing trend is still there.

58 more PPs out of 39 games (assuming you're not counting the exhibition), that's about 1.5 more on average. If you consider that "far more", that's your prerogative, but I would think "far more" would mean if it was up to 2.5 or 3 more on average.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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58 more PPs out of 39 games (assuming you're not counting the exhibition), that's about 1.5 more on average. If you consider that "far more", that's your prerogative, but I would think "far more" would mean if it was up to 2.5 or 3 more on average.

I would say more than 1.5 is far more, but it is semantics.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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I read (and sometimes post) in both the Clarkson and Cornell forums. A significant percentage of both fan bases are calling for their coaches' heads.

Note to FD08, I am not defining "a significant percentage".

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Hockey 2014-2015 Part II: Dedicated to Rich Curadi

I would say more than 1.5 is far more, but it is semantics.

Given it is an average, I could see where you're going with that. In conference play, we certainly have the least number of PPs (54), next highest is 13 away (the team we played last week). For PK, we're the highest (87), but only by one (ironically, the team we play this upcoming week).