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RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part III: There Will Be Math Involved

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Ralph Baer said:
That should be "NCAA semifinal game". :o (And we could lose either the ECAC semis or finals or both, although it would hurt our chances for making the NCA tourney.)
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Actually, if we play the regular season out, get a first round bye, and then get swept in the quarters, we cannot possibly make it to 2000.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Actually, if we play the regular season out, get a first round bye, and then get swept in the quarters, we cannot possibly make it to 2000.
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Correct.

The best thing would be if we could play our 2000th game and get our 1000th victory in the NCAA finals. We would thus need to be at 1996 and 996 at the end of the ECAC tourney. With 1983 games under our belt and 10 to go in the regular season, we would have to play exactly three games in the ECAC tourney which would have to be going 1-2 in either the first or second round. With 987 wins to date, we would have to get eight in the regular season. So we would have to go 8-2, 8-1-1, or 8-0-2 in the final ten games. I don't know if that coupled with 1-2 in the ECAC tourney would get us an at-large NCAA bid. We are 8-11-5 currently, so the best we could be is 17-13-7.

There was math involved. :D
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Correct.

The best thing would be if we could play our 2000th game and get our 1000th victory in the NCAA finals. We would thus need to be at 1996 and 996 at the end of the ECAC tourney. With 1983 games under our belt and 10 to go in the regular season, we would have to play exactly three games in the ECAC tourney which would have to be going 1-2 in either the first or second round. With 987 wins to date, we would have to get eight in the regular season. So we would have to go 8-2, 8-1-1, or 8-0-2 in the final ten games. I don't know if that coupled with 1-2 in the ECAC tourney would get us an at-large NCAA bid. We are 8-11-5 currently, so the best we could be is 17-13-7.

There was math involved. :D
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I am beginning to feel sorry that i asked that question about hitting 1000 and 2000 together:( All of this is making me a bit dizzy. Next question-is ther any site that lists the number of total victories for every DI NCAA program? I used to be able to find that information on USCHO but it does not seem to be there any more. Just wanted to know how many schoola are over the 1000 win mark. I would suspect in the ECAC it is Clarkson, Harvard, Yale for sure and ot west a whole lot of other schools.
 
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DrDemento said:
I am beginning to feel sorry that i asked that question about hitting 1000 and 2000 together:( All of this is making me a bit dizzy. Next question-is ther any site that lists the number of total victories for every DI NCAA program? I used to be able to find that information on USCHO but it does not seem to be there any more. Just wanted to know how many schoola are over the 1000 win mark. I would suspect in the ECAC it is Clarkson, Harvard, Yale for sure and ot west a whole lot of other schools.
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We were all warned that there would be Math in this thread. :p
 
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DrDemento said:
I am beginning to feel sorry that i asked that question about hitting 1000 and 2000 together:( All of this is making me a bit dizzy. Next question-is ther any site that lists the number of total victories for every DI NCAA program? I used to be able to find that information on USCHO but it does not seem to be there any more. Just wanted to know how many schoola are over the 1000 win mark. I would suspect in the ECAC it is Clarkson, Harvard, Yale for sure and ot west a whole lot of other schools.
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USCHO has that information but not all in one place. You have to go to each school's History page individually.

Edit: In the ECAC, Clarkson, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, SLU, and Yale are all there already. (SLU just made it recently as they are at 1003.)
 
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Ralph Baer said:
USCHO has that information but not all in one place. You have to go to each school's History page individually.

Edit: In the ECAC, Clarkson, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, SLU, and Yale are all there already. (SLU just made it recently as they are at 1003.)
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Thanks RB. I wasn't sure about SLU and forgot about Cornell and Dartmouth when I posted before. I had imagined that the NCAA would have this listed somewhere on their site but searched and found nothing.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
WaP article: http://www.withoutapeer.com/2013/01/it-never-gets-old.html

Insert MTU-created second verse of "Im Himmel gibt's kein Bier".
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Normally agree with most of WaP but this time I feel much more strongly about the Kotyra effect. it is not only a matter of winning percentage. We are as pointed out considerably lower with Kotyra on the ice-but even the games we win are a struggle. We have had to overcome some calls that defy description. It is also not just a matter of total penalties called and minutes given. Often we take an incredible number of penalties early in a game and end up defending numerous power plays (some 5 on 3) and then on the stat sheet it looks sort of even as he calls a couple of penalties on an opponent at the 20:00 mark of the third period and the game ends. He has made my top 3 list of poorest officials for RPI games (Noeth and Bereron are up there with him). I would like to think that he is just inadequate-and that it is not intentionally done-but i am no longer so sure.
 
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DrDemento said:
Normally agree with most of WaP but this time I feel much more strongly about the Kotyra effect. it is not only a matter of winning percentage. We are as pointed out considerably lower with Kotyra on the ice-but even the games we win are a struggle. We have had to overcome some calls that defy description. It is also not just a matter of total penalties called and minutes given. Often we take an incredible number of penalties early in a game and end up defending numerous power plays (some 5 on 3) and then on the stat sheet it looks sort of even as he calls a couple of penalties on an opponent at the 20:00 mark of the third period and the game ends. He has made my top 3 list of poorest officials for RPI games (Noeth and Bereron are up there with him). I would like to think that he is just inadequate-and that it is not intentionally done-but i am no longer so sure.
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I know we typically get refs that live in Western NY for the purposes of travel ease, but perhaps we should look at some of the non-RPI games they have done. Does the same thing happen? Are the penalties legitimate? Even if RPI gets a call at a crucial moment, if it's deserved, I'll freely admit it. I might be a little upset that our player decided to take such a stupid penalty at an inopportune time, but my frustration will not lie with the dude in black and white.

Plus, if you look at the roster of referees, as much as we complain, is there much better choice? On any given league night, you need 24 officials for league contests (12 refs, 12 linesmen, of course assuming everyone's playing a league game). Add to this that a number of referees are hired in multiple leagues, as you have a several of the NE ones doing HEA games, some maybe Atlantic, and I've seen several ECAC referees on the AHL roster. I think this is why Stewie is saying to lace up in August and audition.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I know we typically get refs that live in Western NY for the purposes of travel ease, but perhaps we should look at some of the non-RPI games they have done. Does the same thing happen? Are the penalties legitimate? Even if RPI gets a call at a crucial moment, if it's deserved, I'll freely admit it. I might be a little upset that our player decided to take such a stupid penalty at an inopportune time, but my frustration will not lie with the dude in black and white.

Plus, if you look at the roster of referees, as much as we complain, is there much better choice? On any given league night, you need 24 officials for league contests (12 refs, 12 linesmen, of course assuming everyone's playing a league game). Add to this that a number of referees are hired in multiple leagues, as you have a several of the NE ones doing HEA games, some maybe Atlantic, and I've seen several ECAC referees on the AHL roster. I think this is why Stewie is saying to lace up in August and audition.
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All of course true. My experience with Noeth and Belanger were in the days of only one ref on the ice. Now we have to deal with two separate personalities and philosophies out there. It would be nice to see them just be consistent-both calling the game the same way throughout the 60 minutes. i do not expect perfection-they are entitled to mistakes and bad calls or even missing some of what transpires on the ice. But if we are all talking about it-then we are all noticing something. Even our WRPI announcers-who are notoriously unbiased-have been forced to make some comments. The Bailen penalty I did not persoanlly see and cannot give an opinion-but everyone who did see it and described what they saw made it very clear that it should have been a non call. Does that affect the game?-surely. Could it affect an entire season? I surely hope not (and really doubt it). Just hope we (and all other teams) get a fair shake as best as can be provided.
 
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Good for WaP. Paul Stewart just proves his arrogance by his flippant comment about tryouts in August. I like Steve Hagwell but he has his head buried in the sand and let's Stewart get away with murder. Stewart's comment to Jason Klump about Coach Appert were grounds for dismissal. You cannot have the head of officiating show his bias against a team and Coach. BTW- why is Paul Stewart consulting in the KHL, when his officiating staff is a laughing stock. Coach Appert is the only one, Coach Allain crawled up Chip McDonald backside a couple of weeks ago. We pay good $$$$ to attend these games and should expect some professionalism from Stewart. We pay his salary and he treats us with contempt. Shame on you Paul. I don't mind the refs getting it wrong but we now see on a consistent basis offsides and icing calls being blown. I applaud Tom, Gary and Ed for speaking the truth about this issue. Power to the people.
 
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I'm having trouble with my edit function. FDude can you fix my post when I have misspellings. Thank you.
 
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DrDemento said:
All of course true. My experience with Noeth and Belanger were in the days of only one ref on the ice. Now we have to deal with two separate personalities and philosophies out there. It would be nice to see them just be consistent-both calling the game the same way throughout the 60 minutes. i do not expect perfection-they are entitled to mistakes and bad calls or even missing some of what transpires on the ice. But if we are all talking about it-then we are all noticing something. Even our WRPI announcers-who are notoriously unbiased-have been forced to make some comments. The Bailen penalty I did not persoanlly see and cannot give an opinion-but everyone who did see it and described what they saw made it very clear that it should have been a non call. Does that affect the game?-surely. Could it affect an entire season? I surely hope not (and really doubt it). Just hope we (and all other teams) get a fair shake as best as can be provided.
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It was a long time ago, so I am not positive, but besides for one one ref, wasn't there only one linesman back than also?
 
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Ralph Baer said:
It was a long time ago, so I am not positive, but besides for one one ref, wasn't there only one linesman back than also?
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It was either 1 ref + 2 linesmen, or 2 refs + 1 linesman (which is what they used in the 85 championship). For men, you must have 2+2. With women, you may still have 2+1.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
It was either 1 ref + 2 linesmen, or 2 refs + 1 linesman (which is what they used in the 85 championship). For men, you must have 2+2. With women, you may still have 2+1.
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I was referring to even earlier than 1985. I think that there were only two mice, although they may both have been called refs.
 
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