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RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part II: You Better Starting Posting the Engineer Way

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Red Cloud said:
SHU's record is 0-11-2 and they play in the worst conference there is. If you were a betting man, I don't think you'd be one for very long.
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Well, a winless Sacred Heart beat Yale last year. I know Yale hasn't been quite as good as they were two years ago, but it shows that SHU has the ability to win games they definitely shouldn't.
 
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lugnut92 said:
Well, a winless Sacred Heart beat Yale last year. I know Yale hasn't been quite as good as they were two years ago, but it shows that SHU has the ability to win games they definitely shouldn't.
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On any given day, yada yada yada. That said, even with our propnsity to play to the level of our oppenents, we really should have no trouble with SHU.
 
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I was reading through some old threads, and saw a post where Neal, Haggerty, and Laliberté each played centre on their respective junior teams. No wonder the line has easily become the "centre" of attention. :p
 
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flagdude08 said:
i was reading through some old threads, and saw a post where neal, haggerty, and laliberté each played center on their respective junior teams. No wonder the line has easily become the "center" of attention. :p
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fyp
 
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Ralph Baer said:
WaP's "What If" on RPI joining Hockey East http://www.withoutapeer.com/2012/12/what-if-eastern-promises.html
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I've been loving the WaP articles, along with this one, but I challenge most of the perceptions/assertions in this one. RPI might not have strung together 30 wins in a row, but it would have likely won the whole enchilada that year. RPI may not have challenged the Big 2 in HE, but could have easily been in the upper echelon, not with Providence. RPI's recruiting would have been differentiated - a high profile hockey program and a high profile technical education - something that doesn't exist in HE (or the east for that matter), and save for BC, a high profile education in general.

Anyways, great articles! Keep 'em coming. When is the "If Kevin Moran never wrote for the Troy Rec..." article coming?
 
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ServinisScores said:
I've been loving the WaP articles, along with this one, but I challenge most of the perceptions/assertions in this one. RPI might not have strung together 30 wins in a row, but it would have likely won the whole enchilada that year. RPI may not have challenged the Big 2 in HE, but could have easily been in the upper echelon, not with Providence. RPI's recruiting would have been differentiated - a high profile hockey program and a high profile technical education - something that doesn't exist in HE (or the east for that matter), and save for BC, a high profile education in general.

Anyways, great articles! Keep 'em coming. When is the "If Kevin Moran never wrote for the Troy Rec..." article coming?
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I tend to agree with you about 84-85. We would have had a poorer record in 84-85 due to the games vs. the WCHA. The HEA teams were relatively poor on average, remember that we called them Hockey Least, and besides for RPI, Clarkson, Cornell, and Harvard in the ECAC had very good teams back then. As to how we would have been post-Oates, it's real hard to tell.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
When I went to the mall, they spelled it "centre", as in Champlain Centre. Or St. Lawrence Centre. ;)
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They're trying to boost visibility with Canadian shoppers. What's your excuse?
 
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ServinisScores said:
I've been loving the WaP articles, along with this one, but I challenge most of the perceptions/assertions in this one. RPI might not have strung together 30 wins in a row, but it would have likely won the whole enchilada that year.
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To be fair, I never said they wouldn't have, I simply said it could have created a more difficult road.

RPI may not have challenged the Big 2 in HE, but could have easily been in the upper echelon, not with Providence. RPI's recruiting would have been differentiated - a high profile hockey program and a high profile technical education - something that doesn't exist in HE (or the east for that matter), and save for BC, a high profile education in general.
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I suspect we have different evaluations on how Hockey East developed, and of RPI's ability to compete for recruits with the top end of the Hockey East food chain. Perhaps things could have been different if RPI had won a national championship in Hockey East and in the conference's first year, but not all of the program's decline since 1985 is directly related to being in the ECAC.
 
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realet said:
To be fair, I never said they wouldn't have, I simply said it could have created a more difficult road.



I suspect we have different evaluations on how Hockey East developed, and of RPI's ability to compete for recruits with the top end of the Hockey East food chain. Perhaps things could have been different if RPI had won a national championship in Hockey East and in the conference's first year, but not all of the program's decline since 1985 is directly related to being in the ECAC.
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I would think that only a small part of the decline is due to the ECAC. I think that the biggest part is the RPI Admin requiring higher academic standards than they allowed at that time. Some, by no means a majority, of the 1985 team would not have been admitted a few years later.
 
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WaP's "What If" installment for today: essentially what if we hadn't run into Jon Casey in 1984. Personally I don't think that we would have won -- we were too young. The players were slightly better since they included Marty Dallman among a few others, but they lacked the experience under pressure and motivation that they gained for the following year.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I would think that only a small part of the decline is due to the ECAC. I think that the biggest part is Shirley Jackson's Admin requiring higher academic standards than they allowed at that time. Some, by no means a majority, of the 1985 team would not have been admitted a few years later.
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fyp:)
 
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Ralph Baer said:
WaP's "What If" installment for today: essentially what if we hadn't run into Jon Casey in 1984. Personally I don't think that we would have won -- we were too young. The players were slightly better since they included Marty Dallman among a few others, but they lacked the experience under pressure and motivation that they gained for the following year.
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I remember being there fore that series with North Dakota, and then also up to Lake Placid for the tournament. I went up for the Thursday night game of UMD and ND and thought that UMD was clearly the better team. Kurvers was rock solid and I'll never forget the way that some kid named Mark Ondakon (sp?) skated - about the best and fastest / smoothest skater I've ever seen. The little shop in front of the rink used to be a bar, and I was there pretty early and for a while, so dont remember much of the BG - Michigan St game....except that there was some smoking hot girl next to me in the stands. Too bad she was seeing one of the guys on the Michigan St team (or so she said). At one point there were some RPI fans in the crowd cheering "R-P-I", which quickly got drown out by "where is the east". Always thought that we could have played in that final with the team we had. Also -that final was, at that time, the longest college hockey game ever played....4 full overtimes. One of the Cavallini brothers finally won it and my hearing is still impaired as was sitting directly in front of the BG band. I also distinctly recall that they were announcing over the PA during the 2nd overtime that people from North Dakota needed to get to their bus immediately or that the buses were leaving and they would need to find their own way home. What a crazy weekend.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
WaP's "What If" installment for today: essentially what if we hadn't run into Jon Casey in 1984. Personally I don't think that we would have won -- we were too young. The players were slightly better since they included Marty Dallman among a few others, but they lacked the experience under pressure and motivation that they gained for the following year.
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Possibly RB. But I saw a lot of that 1984 team and they were a very well oiled offensive machine. Perhaps a tad less good at defense than the following year but they usually could just plain score on anyone at any time. I felt back then that I had never seen a better two game performance by a goalie and i still feel that way. Perhaps we would not have won it all anyw ay. But if I close my eyes right now-I think I could still see some of the saves he made. Of course we will never know what would have happened-but if we someohow had gotten by him and NDak-I think we would have been a handful for anyone. BTW although Casey really did virtually beat us pretty much by himself, the rest of the NDak team was very very good and the games would have been tough anyway. Just do not even ask me to comment about the officiating of that series. I thought coach Addessa would burst a blood vessel in his head the first night.
 
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