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RPI & BU (Friday 12/4) & UNH (Saturday 12/5)

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The issue with that goal isn't with the defensive play, its the two forwards whom glide through on the back check at 1/4 speed right as the goal gets scored. They were likely doing so not expecting him to have the puck nearly as long, but that is what afforded that amount of time.
Umm no, I don't think so. They really weren't in the play. Expecting a forward to backcheck to be the 3rd man in a play where there are only 2 opposing forwards against 2 of our d is absurd. Now if the 3rd man in was a BU skater then I'd agree but clearly our 2 forwards were back before any other BU skaters showed up.
 
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Watching that video of the OT goal is painful. The shooter had just so much time, I think I could have even got off a shot with that much time (and I am late 60's) but with my eyes i probably could not have hit the side of a barn.:eek:
 
Umm no, I don't think so. They really weren't in the play. Expecting a forward to backcheck to be the 3rd man in a play where there are only 2 opposing forwards against 2 of our d is absurd. Now if the 3rd man in was a BU skater then I'd agree but clearly our 2 forwards were back before any other BU skaters showed up.


That is literally exactly what is supposed to happen with a loose puck in front like that. You should always outnumber your opponent in front of your own net during even strength play.
 
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Umm no, I don't think so. They really weren't in the play. Expecting a forward to backcheck to be the 3rd man in a play where there are only 2 opposing forwards against 2 of our d is absurd. Now if the 3rd man in was a BU skater then I'd agree but clearly our 2 forwards were back before any other BU skaters showed up.

After this weekend I am one game short of calling for an end to the Appert era. This program Constantly teases the fans with short spurts of success ten slips back they let a game slipnaway against a good BU team then were totally Outclassed by UNH. UNH is one of the best teams in the country but RPI again had no offense and the power pay has beennhideous in every year of Seth's tenure except Polacek's senior season. If they don't win 3 of 4 the next 2 weekends they are done and Seth should be done as well. He can recruit with the best, I just don't know if he is a head coach. How long do we have to wait for a team that can be a factor in the ECAC. We dont expect national titles every year but how about a team that is in the top half of the ECAC most years? This is disheartening. There is talent on this team. I am starting to wonder about the coaching staff.
 
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After this weekend I am one game short of calling for an end to the Appert era. This program Constantly teases the fans with short spurts of success ten slips back they let a game slipnaway against a good BU team then were totally Outclassed by UNH. UNH is one of the best teams in the country but RPI again had no offense and the power pay has beennhideous in every year of Seth's tenure except Polacek's senior season. If they don't win 3 of 4 the next 2 weekends they are done and Seth should be done as well. He can recruit with the best, I just don't know if he is a head coach. How long do we have to wait for a team that can be a factor in the ECAC. We dont expect national titles every year but how about a team that is in the top half of the ECAC most years? This is disheartening. There is talent on this team. I am starting to wonder about the coaching staff.
I'm not that frustrated. I thought they played a good game at BU. Tonight, I'm just wondering if they had too many injuries/illnesses for a team as good as UNH. We played dump and chase on an olympic sized rink which is an odd strategy. I think Appert must have been trying to get by with what he had available. Without Neal, Higgs, Schroeder and O'Grady we simply couldn't come close to matching their skill level.
 
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back from the game (phone ran out of juice) - decent competitive first period. After Leonard's goal, they kind of stopped playing and started taking bad penalties. The second period they were horribly flat, and the third not much better. Yes, they played last night, but I'm not going to buy they were DOA to start the second period, especially after the performance in the first.

More concerning to me is lack of strategy and positional play. UNH is good, and can skate, but RPI seemed behind the play a lot and don't have much feel for a structure of how to breakout, how to enter a zone, how to play basic defense. The lack of hockey sense as a team has not been present in the last 5 years, and is still missing.

Lastly, I don't see this talent assessment others do. Might be good for the ECAC, and maybe using UNH as a measuring stick isn't fair, but the overall skating capability isn't good, and no one stood out as a star, like you'd see from Polacek, Pirri, D'Amigo, etc. There's depth unlike other years, and they kept trying, so we'll see how they progress. However, they work too hard for too little
 
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After this weekend I am one game short of calling for an end to the Appert era. This program Constantly teases the fans with short spurts of success ten slips back they let a game slipnaway against a good BU team then were totally Outclassed by UNH. UNH is one of the best teams in the country but RPI again had no offense and the power pay has beennhideous in every year of Seth's tenure except Polacek's senior season. If they don't win 3 of 4 the next 2 weekends they are done and Seth should be done as well. He can recruit with the best, I just don't know if he is a head coach. How long do we have to wait for a team that can be a factor in the ECAC. We dont expect national titles every year but how about a team that is in the top half of the ECAC most years? This is disheartening. There is talent on this team. I am starting to wonder about the coaching staff.
It's intersting how people see things differently. I thought that the BU game at least was coached quite well. SA got cudos, I think on this thread, from BU fans for his coaching. We then had the problem on Saturday of playing a well-rested team after having played the previous night.
 
I'm not that frustrated. I thought they played a good game at BU. Tonight, I'm just wondering if they had too many injuries/illnesses for a team as good as UNH. We played dump and chase on an olympic sized rink which is an odd strategy. I think Appert must have been trying to get by with what he had available. Without Neal, Higgs, Schroeder and O'Grady we simply couldn't come close to matching their skill level.

Question, were Higgs and O'Grady healthy scratches? I'm staring 2 think Higgs is a D3 level player myself.
 
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After this weekend I am one game short of calling for an end to the Appert era. This program Constantly teases the fans with short spurts of success ten slips back they let a game slipnaway against a good BU team then were totally Outclassed by UNH. UNH is one of the best teams in the country but RPI again had no offense and the power pay has beennhideous in every year of Seth's tenure except Polacek's senior season. If they don't win 3 of 4 the next 2 weekends they are done and Seth should be done as well. He can recruit with the best, I just don't know if he is a head coach. How long do we have to wait for a team that can be a factor in the ECAC. We dont expect national titles every year but how about a team that is in the top half of the ECAC most years? This is disheartening. There is talent on this team. I am starting to wonder about the coaching staff.

So we can count you in for a check towards the buyout of coachs contract? Name me the person you would like to have coach the team. Give me a name of someone who we can actually get and not a big name guy who would never come to Troy. I am frustrated with the losses but a tough schedule only makes you better in the long run. I hate teams that schedule all cupcakes and little sisters of the poor year in and year out. Yes, I understand we played a few of those this year. (I would say 3) BU didnt become a national power year in and year out overnight, neither did UNH. It took time, look at how long those coaches have been at the schools. Too much what have you done for me lately and I want it yesterday these days. Maybe it is time to stop catering to the upperclassmen and start going with the young guys night in and night out.
 
back from the game (phone ran out of juice) - decent competitive first period. After Leonard's goal, they kind of stopped playing and started taking bad penalties. The second period they were horribly flat, and the third not much better. Yes, they played last night, but I'm not going to buy they were DOA to start the second period, especially after the performance in the first.

More concerning to me is lack of strategy and positional play. UNH is good, and can skate, but RPI seemed behind the play a lot and don't have much feel for a structure of how to breakout, how to enter a zone, how to play basic defense. The lack of hockey sense as a team has not been present in the last 5 years, and is still missing.
Lastly, I don't see this talent assessment others do. Might be good for the ECAC, and maybe using UNH as a measuring stick isn't fair, but the overall skating capability isn't good, and no one stood out as a star, like you'd see from Polacek, Pirri, D'Amigo, etc. There's depth unlike other years, and they kept trying, so we'll see how they progress. However, they work too hard for too little

I see some of the talent but wonder as well if the "coaching staff" is good enough 2 bring out the best in them. Hands down we all seem 2 agree we have the talent but seriously do we have the coaching staff to bring it out of them? It seems in the last 6 or 7 years we do not....so I ask what do we need?
 
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I see some of the talent but wonder as well if the "coaching staff" is good enough 2 bring out the best in them. Hands down we all seem 2 agree we have the talent but seriously do we have the coaching staff to bring it out of them? It seems in the last 6 or 7 years we do not....so I ask what do we need?

Get rid of them all, bring in the next big thing, gain success quick and watch the coach flee to a bigger school or the pros at first shot.
 
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College Sports is just one big business these days and as long as season ticket sales stay steady, the Field House gets it usual crowds of 2700-3000 a night, the results on the ice no matter how bad wont get rid of the coach that some people dont want anymore. Just the truth of the thing folks.
 
It's intersting how people see things differently. I thought that the BU game at least was coached quite well. SA got cudos, I think on this thread, from BU fans for his coaching. We then had the problem on Saturday of playing a well-rested team after having played the previous night.

I did not see BU game so will defer toyour assessmentbsince the radio call seemed to indicate RPI was competitive, but then tonight another gamevwhere they were outclassed. UNH is the real deal, but RPI continues to disappoint. They are young and could still do well in the ECAC,s final 14 games, but it is getting hard to maintain a positive attitude. The PP sucks and ever year the
seniors seem to under perform. Lee takes too many bad penalties an O,Grady has done nothing the past 3 weeks.
 
Get rid of them all, bring in the next big thing, gain success quick and watch the coach flee to a bigger school or the pros at first shot.

Not saying that at all. However if u r the recruiters of these young men shouldn't u be able 2 make them play the way u want them 2? Others I believe have asked the same question. If u agree then why can SA or his staff get them 2 do this? I'm sure the guys did not go out last night and drink it up after there loss to BU. Therefore, how do u come out 2nite and play such a **** poor game after 20 mins? And if u don't think it was **** poor then what game were u watching cause I would have loved 2 watch it myself.
 
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Not saying that at all. However if u r the recruiters of these young men shouldn't u be able 2 make them play the way u want them 2? Others I believe have asked the same question. If u agree then why can SA or his staff get them 2 do this? I'm sure the guys did not go out last night and drink it up after there loss to BU. Therefore, how do u come out 2nite and play such a **** poor game after 20 mins? And if u don't think it was **** poor then what game were u watching cause I would have loved 2 watch it myself.

I agree the guys didnt go out and drink it up after the loss. They were also playing the 5th game in 10 days on a olympic size sheet against a very good team that didnt play the night before. Sure these young men are in great shape but even the best conditioned person gets worn down after a while. We saw a few of the "non-regulars" in the lineup tonight as well so that may have caused some chemistry issues amongst lines. I watched the game that was show on Fox College Sports and saw a team that was worn down by the middle of the 2nd period plain and simple.
 
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I agree the guys didnt go out and drink it up after the loss. They were also playing the 5th game in 10 days on a olympic size sheet against a very good team that didnt play the night before. Sure these young men are in great shape but even the best conditioned person gets worn down after a while. We saw a few of the "non-regulars" in the lineup tonight as well so that may have caused some chemistry issues amongst lines. I watched the game that was show on Fox College Sports and saw a team that was worn down by the middle of the 2nd period plain and simple.

Fishcore, I'm not going to argue all of your points, but the last one I think you're wrong on. They were flatter than a pancake starting the second period, and didn't pick it up the rest of the game. They kept w/ UNH in the first 20, and played a decent road period. They may have been tired, but there's a clear disconnect how they ended the 1st period and started the 2nd that isn't conditioning...
 
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Im just going to leave it at this, unless we have the perfect fit in a coach that will actually come into Troy and stay when the bigger money jobs come along, why keep bringing guy after guy in so we go thru this every couple years?
 
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Fishcore, I'm not going to argue all of your points, but the last one I think you're wrong on. They were flatter than a pancake starting the second period, and didn't pick it up the rest of the game. They kept w/ UNH in the first 20, and played a decent road period. They may have been tired, but there's a clear disconnect how they ended the 1st period and started the 2nd that isn't conditioning...

And thats why this message board is still around, because we are not in the locker rooms and coaches offices to figure out what happened. Gives us a place to produce many "what ifs" and "should haves" :)
 
Re: RPI & BU (Friday 12/4) & UNH (Saturday 12/5)

That is literally exactly what is supposed to happen with a loose puck in front like that. You should always outnumber your opponent in front of your own net during even strength play.

A forward could have been back. It's OT - BU's leading scorer has the puck and is stoped because the RPI Dman slid across in front of him. I was sitting about 12 rows back in the corner. the play seemed to take a long time. I wasn't watching the goalie but the shooter sure was.
 
Get rid of them all, bring in the next big thing, gain success quick and watch the coach flee to a bigger school or the pros at first shot.
Legitimate question in who to bring in. I'm not privy to the next hot coach but let's try Jim Montgomery.
I'm really just frustrated and blowing off some steam. A lot of resources have been pumped into the program since Fridgen was fired with just one good year to show for it. Maybe it's just the nature of the college game theses days. The days of clarkson, RPI, and other small strong academic schools being national powers may be gone. Perhaps this is about the best we can get. I hope not, but that may be the reality.
At any rate, you are right about not spinning the coaching wheel every few years. But at what point do you say this isn't working?
 
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