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RPI 2023 Off-season: We March Fourth Into the Off-season

From iowabasedtraveler on the the Colgate thread. Surprising to me that we are #3 in the ECAC.

iowabasedtraveler said:
From the 'More Questions than it Answers' Department...

Josh Hewitt on the Big Ten Hockey Facebook page posted a graphic of expenditures of NCAA D-1 MIH programs.

Here are a couple...

1., North Dakota, $5,453,864,
2., Minnesota, $5,269,203,
3., Notre Dame, $5,198,263
4., Michigan, $4,464,256,
5., Boston College, $4,360,627,

21., Quinnipiac, $3,029,101,
23., Clarkson, $2,630,662,
25., RPI, $2,563,477,
27., Saint Lawrence, $2,547,264,
31., Colgate, $2,423,063,
38., Yale, $2,073,478,
41., Cornell, $1,990,819,
51., Harvard, $1,374,610,
52., Brown, $1,363,881,
53., Dartmouth, $1,353,890,
56., Princeton, $1,133,425,
57., Union, $1,049,322.

From me, "I see 57 programs listed. What was the last year that NCAA had 57 men's D-1 ice hockey programs? If it is more current than that, what programs are not included (and why)? More specifically, what year does it supposedly represent? And what exactly goes into those numbers? Thanks."

From Josh, "It’s all the schools that have the records for expenses for the Men’s hockey program available and includes all expenditures for the program. Salaries, rink maintenance, travel, etc….
GopherPuckLive periodically puts together an article to compare where Minnesota is compared to the rest of college hockey. Here is an article from 2018 as an example with additional info."

"https://gopherpucklive.com/minnesota-ranks-second-for.../

"The data I posted above is for this season. I don’t know if he is going to put together an article with further breakdown or not, but you should probably be able to find the data for your program in public records."

While I still question a lot about the specifics of this ranking, it probably does fairly accurately show the basic differences between the expenditures of the Big Ten (and other) conference programs and those of the ECAC Hockey conference.
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Ralph Baer said:
From iowabasedtraveler on the the Colgate thread. Surprising to me that we are #3 in the ECAC.
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Money well spent Ralph. Let’s keep banging out 20+ loss seasons year after year. And blame it on covid and the portal. Don’t believe me ask Jake Johnson’s dad lol
 
This is based on a twitter thread that you can take with a grain of salt. This tweet does a good job explaining why https://twitter.com/spomer_hky/status/1641602431720235008
Reporting processes vary so much from school to school that you cannot compare these apples to apples.
For example, the Ivies don't have athletic scholarships, which is why they are all so low. But they all give massive amounts of aid (more than 18 scholarships worth). If you factored those in, they would all easily be above RPI. That's just one example.
 
Today is 1 April 2023. There are 189 days (27 weeks) until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 7 October 2023 for the start of next season.
 
sezenack said:
This is based on a twitter thread that you can take with a grain of salt. This tweet does a good job explaining why https://twitter.com/spomer_hky/status/1641602431720235008
Reporting processes vary so much from school to school that you cannot compare these apples to apples.
For example, the Ivies don't have athletic scholarships, which is why they are all so low. But they all give massive amounts of aid (more than 18 scholarships worth). If you factored those in, they would all easily be above RPI. That's just one example.
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I take it with a pound of salt as well as some pepper. ;-D
 
sk8tronthepond said:
Really?? More like a 7-12 forward. His 3rd school in 5 years is a red flag!:p
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Maybe. As stated by Mike McMahon he did quite well two years ago at UML but suffered from injury the past year. He could be a top-6 forward.

I am still concerned that we need help on defense.
 
sk8tronthepond said:
Really?? More like a 7-12 forward. His 3rd school in 5 years is a red flag!:p
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In what world is a forward with 57 career points in the NCHC and Hockey East a bottom 6 forward???

I very much disagree that it's a red flag. Most 5th years in the portal didn't have offers to return to their schools, and I bet that was the case with him.
 
Ralph Baer said:
Maybe. As stated by Mike McMahon he did quite well two years ago at UML but suffered from injury the past year. He could be a top-6 forward.

I am still concerned that we need help on defense.
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We do need help on defense. I'd expect portal commitments will be coming there too
 
sezenack said:
This is based on a twitter thread that you can take with a grain of salt. This tweet does a good job explaining why https://twitter.com/spomer_hky/status/1641602431720235008
Reporting processes vary so much from school to school that you cannot compare these apples to apples.
For example, the Ivies don't have athletic scholarships, which is why they are all so low. But they all give massive amounts of aid (more than 18 scholarships worth). If you factored those in, they would all easily be above RPI. That's just one example.
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I'm guessing there are also the costs associated with operating and maintaining a very large and aged facility. I'm sure this is not cheap. I wonder how these costs compare with, say, Colgate's Class of 1965 Arena.
 
sezenack said:
In what world is a forward with 57 career points in the NCHC and Hockey East a bottom 6 forward???

I very much disagree that it's a red flag. Most 5th years in the portal didn't have offers to return to their schools, and I bet that was the case with him.
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We'll see. Ok. So you're saying he had to transfer because UMass Lowell didn't offer him a spot for next year? You're proving my point. If he was valuable to UMass Lowell, do you not think they would have kept him?
 
sk8tronthepond said:
We'll see. Ok. So you're saying he had to transfer because UMass Lowell didn't offer him a spot for next year? You're proving my point. If he was valuable to UMass Lowell, do you not think they would have kept him?
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Brian Chambers was 2nd among UML's forwards in points, and they didn't even keep him. I think they just don't have room.
 
Today is 2 April 2023. There are 188 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 7 October 2023 for the start of next season.
 
Ralph Baer said:
An old free Neutral Zone article about Regula https://www.neutralzone.net/mens/20...la-makes-the-switch-to-d-lands-at-ohio-state/.

Elite Prospects page https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/450922/c.j.-regula

OSU page https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-hockey/roster/season/2022-23/cj-regula/
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From his OSU page - Son of Chet, an orthodontist, and Nicole, a headhunter

It was probably a very good thing to have an orthodontist as a father when any of us were young hockey players! Would have loved to chat with his mom - always wanted to know how they shrunk those things down. (it is the off season for us and I am already bored)
 
Ralph Baer said:
Maybe. As stated by Mike McMahon he did quite well two years ago at UML but suffered from injury the past year. He could be a top-6 forward.

I am still concerned that we need help on defense.
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Two notes on Brushett:
1) He was injured as he’s undergoing off-season surgery.
2) The coach apparently wanted him back as they were awaiting his decision.

From a Lowell Sun post-season chat with the coach:
”He wasn’t sure about three other seniors, Brian Chambers, Jake Stella and Ryan Brushett, who’s about to undergo surgery.”

As for Regula, he seems like an ideal replacement for Klee (RH, defense-oriented). We still need at least one more d-man, preferably a young guy with multiple years of eligibility.

if by some miracle Ryan Mahshie decided to return I’d pick us for the top 4 right now (key note: I expect we are going to see something closer to freshman year Watson than the version we just saw). Unfortunately, I think once guys file they are gone. Are there any examples of guys that entered the portal at any Division 1 hockey program and then returned?
 
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rpi82 said:
Unfortunately, I think once guys file they are gone. Are there any examples of guys that entered the portal at any Division 1 hockey program and then returned?
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I think, and somebody correct me if I am wrong, once a player enters the portal, whatever scholarship they had ends and can be immediately offered to someone else. Of course, a player that enters the portal can come back; whether a scholarship is available is another matter.
 
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