RPI 2019 Off-Season: Where Did Everyone Go?

[FlagDUDE08]

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It’s surprising because when the Record did its wrap up two weeks after the end of the season (and presumably well after the coach had his year end meeting with each player) they talked about Hayhurst as a returnee. I wonder when he notified Smith. Then again, the signing of Mahshie, who I now suspect may be taking Hayhurst’s scholarship, was a week before the wrap up. Perplexing?

If Mahshie isn’t on Jacob’s ride is there even the slightest chance Fontaine might recommit if offered a Polacek (an RPI offer to enroll a year or two earlier than the big boys want)?


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Given we're already overloaded as it is for recruits this upcoming year, I doubt we'll see any reconsiders. Plus, if he wanted to withdraw after Jewell leaving, why would we expect he'd be happy without the AC he wanted to work under?

We're only going to start being successful when we stop worrying about who we don't have, and starting caring about who we do.

 

[rpi82]

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Given we're already overloaded as it is for recruits this upcoming year, I doubt we'll see any reconsiders. Plus, if he wanted to withdraw after Jewell leaving, why would we expect he'd be happy without the AC he wanted to work under?

We're only going to start being successful when we stop worrying about who we don't have, and starting caring about who we do.

Do we know that Fontaine’s change of heart is related to Jewell? Was he even the lead recruiter at Lawrence Academy? D-I ACs change frequently so presuming one will still be there upon enrollment several years later, much less throughout the course of a college career, seems questionable at best. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that playing under a goalie AC was his motivation for committing. If anything I would think it was either Smith or Graham as they were both experienced coaching forwards.


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[Waite21]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RPI leading scorer Jacob Hayhurst is in the transfer portal. 3 goals and 20 assists in 29 GP. Mississauga, Ontario, native will grad transfer and have one season of eligibility immediately.</p>— Jeff Cox (@JeffCoxSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffCoxSports/status/1118204769691156480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Excuse my ignorance, but what does "in the transfer portal" mean?

Does it mean Hayhurst has committed to transferring and enrolling at another school? If so, which one? If not, does it mean he has signed some sort of paper saying he is absolutely, positively going to transfer to some other school, even though he hasn't yet decided which school that will be? Or does it mean he's willing to think about transferring to some other school, but reserves the right to return to RPI if he decides there are no more attractive alternatives?

 

[jstadts]

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Excuse my ignorance, but what does "in the transfer portal" mean?

Does it mean Hayhurst has committed to transferring and enrolling at another school? If so, which one? If not, does it mean he has signed some sort of paper saying he is absolutely, positively going to transfer to some other school, even though he hasn't yet decided which school that will be? Or does it mean he's willing to think about transferring to some other school, but reserves the right to return to RPI if he decides there are no more attractive alternatives?

my understanding is that when you put your name on that list your saying your available not a mortal lock to go.

 

[rpi82]

RPI 2019 Off-Season: Where Did Everyone Go?

my understanding is that when you put your name on that list your saying your available not a mortal lock to go.

That’s correct. It’s a pretty new process and being listed on the site means other schools can talk to him. It doesn’t mean he has to go, but openly advertising that he’d like to transfer makes it unlikely he’d come back. In fact, once declared I assume coaches cross such players off their roster and move on with deciding how to spend the available scholarship dollars. There’s nothing that says they even have to let a player come back if he changes his mind.


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[Wicked Slappaahs]

my understanding is that when you put your name on that list your saying your available not a mortal lock to go.

I'd been told that he had to be convinced to come back last year ...he ain't changing his mind, IMO.

 

[turk181]

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I'd been told that he had to be convinced to come back last year ...he ain't changing his mind, IMO.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RPI junior F Jacob Hayhurst is in the NCAA transfer portal and will play somewhere else next year, confirmed by <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_HockeyCoach?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_HockeyCoach</a>. Hayhurst led Engineers in pts at 3-20-23 despite missing 7 games.</p>— Mike MacAdam (@Mike_MacAdam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mike_MacAdam/status/1118257403454267392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[jstadts]

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That’s correct. It’s a pretty new process and being listed on the site means other schools can talk to him. It doesn’t mean he has to go, but openly advertising that he’d like to transfer makes it unlikely he’d come back. In fact, once declared I assume coaches cross such players off their roster and move on with deciding how to spend the available scholarship dollars. There’s nothing that says they even have to let a player come back if he changes his mind.


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Thanks for info. As a single father who put two kids thru college it really caught my eye when it came out that drew melanson was paying 70K for grad school at BU. It just struck me as nuts.I don`t think much if any athletic scholarship money is out there for grad students.

 

[turk181]

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"I can confirm that Jacob Hayhurst has made the decision to transfer based on his own personal criteria," Smith said....... https://dailygazette.com/article/2019/04/16/rpi-s-hayhurst-transferring

 

[rpi82]

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Thanks for info. As a single father who put two kids thru college it really caught my eye when it came out that drew melanson was paying 70K for grad school at BU. It just struck me as nuts.I don`t think much if any athletic scholarship money is out there for grad students.

Having my youngest child graduating in a few weeks I understand. It’s been eight years of major tuition payments. I believe in Jacob’s case, however, since he still has collegiate eligibility, he can receive scholarship dollars. Melanson joined a full BU roster. However, they’ve lost a huge portion of their roster in the last few weeks so it wouldn’t surprise me if BU offered Jacob significant scholarship support.


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[jstadts]

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Having my youngest child graduating in a few weeks I understand. It’s been eight years of major tuition payments. I believe in Jacob’s case, however, since he still has collegiate eligibility, he can receive scholarship dollars. Melanson joined a full BU roster. However, they’ve lost a huge portion of their roster in the last few weeks so it wouldn’t surprise me if BU offered Jacob significant scholarship support.


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Congrats on being done with tuition,, its great! I thought the same thing about BU. That would be interesting as many of the BU faithful weren`t crazy about the job Albie did and players are abandoning ship there also.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RPI junior F Jacob Hayhurst is in the NCAA transfer portal and will play somewhere else next year, confirmed by <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_HockeyCoach?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_HockeyCoach</a>. Hayhurst led Engineers in pts at 3-20-23 despite missing 7 games.</p>— Mike MacAdam (@Mike_MacAdam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mike_MacAdam/status/1118257403454267392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah thanks...I understand. I was responding to the notion that it was a possibility that he would/could return in the fall.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Do we know that Fontaine’s change of heart is related to Jewell? Was he even the lead recruiter at Lawrence Academy? D-I ACs change frequently so presuming one will still be there upon enrollment several years later, much less throughout the course of a college career, seems questionable at best. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that playing under a goalie AC was his motivation for committing. If anything I would think it was either Smith or Graham as they were both experienced coaching forwards.


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Seemed to happen around the same time. And it's not like it's unheard of; how many of our issues in 2010 were aggravated by Monty leaving?

 

[jstadts]

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Yeah thanks...I understand. I was responding to the notion that it was a possibility that he would/could return in the fall.

like i said earlier. I loved JH effort and wish him the best. Having said that i agree with FD. We have to support the guys that want to be at RPI.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

like i said earlier. I loved JH effort and wish him the best. Having said that i agree with FD. We have to support the guys that want to be at RPI.

There is no stability. Anyone (players, parents, advisers) from the outside can see the program is adrift. Smitty might get it straightened but it's a coin flip at this point.

It starts at the top as we have long discussed here. Look at any successful program in the league or elsewhere ...the common denominators are support from the top down and stability.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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There is no stability. Anyone (players, parents, advisers) from the outside can see the program is adrift. Smitty might get it straightened but it's a coin flip at this point.

It starts at the top as we have long discussed here. Look at any successful program in the league or elsewhere ...the common denominators are support from the top down and stability.

And regrettably, that isn't changing until at least 2024. However, one of my friends from "those olden days" thinks we should take a very close look at the Board of Trustees.

 

[jstadts]

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could you expand on stability comment please.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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That's a kick in the sack. I wonder if this will stop a) after Seth's recruits have fully flushed through the system and/or b) RPI becomes a program of enough prominence that players want to come and stay. I've noticed the recruiting of players in D1 programs is rather prevalent this year, and RPI isn't immune to this. However, RPI has far fewer top players coming in, so upper-echelon programs/educations (HE, Ivy) can come in and cherry-pick.

OTOH, I'd love to know the discussion that went down, and these players not honoring their commitment. Do they feel the Institute has let them down in their part of the commitment?

Gah!

I suspect that it is different in different cases.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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A short article in the Gazette about Hayhurst. Coach Smith confirms he is transferring.

https://dailygazette.com/article/2019/04/16/rpi-s-hayhurst-transferring

 

[jstadts]

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I suspect that it is different in different cases.

The silence is always deafening in the decommit department. Who screwed who is a big secret. GF sounded so sincere in his announcement to his hometown newspaper. He talked about union rivalry etc. Then silence when he is back on the market. what the hell happened. Smith can hide behind NCAA rules but you would think just one of these kids would want to set the record straight. Nobody calls anybody out.