RPI 2019 Off-Season: Where Did Everyone Go?

[sezenack]

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Just an aside to the coaching discussion. I looked at the college signings today. There were 6 seniors who joined the pro ranks from Canisius. That is pretty impressive and I am sure they were all Smith recruits. No RPI players in the senior or underclassmen signings yet.

I doubt any of our seniors get signed. None of them are good enough to play professionally except for maybe Chase Perry since he was a draft pick. However, I would guess he's not getting signed as I think he would've signed by now if the Red Wings were offering him.

 

[turk181]

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Just an aside to the coaching discussion. I looked at the college signings today. There were 6 seniors who joined the pro ranks from Canisius. That is pretty impressive and I am sure they were all Smith recruits. No RPI players in the senior or underclassmen signings yet.

Of the 4 I could see Wiffen playing in the “Coast” but he may still be injured.

 

[Bradz]

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Chuck Weber has zero experience playing hockey. He was a soccer player in college.

Yes, and that is something that doesn’t go unnoticed by players and parents these days especially if the father played pro. It might be helpful from the standpoint of recruiting to try and convince players he knows what it takes to play pro, but it doesn’t necessarily mean he can develop players. There is a big difference between coaching minor pro and D-I hockey.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Critical decision for RPI and Coach Smith. Will he choose an assistant coach with considerable D-I playing experience as a forward with coaching experience who can help to transition the recruits from junior hockey to D-I while at the same time help improve players like Polino, Burgess and Zieky in their final year or will he once again take a former D-III 2/3 goaltender?
Players today easily identify coaches who have very limited playing experience and have gained any knowledge they might have by just reading hockey books or attending seminars where real coaches give presentations.
The decision on a replacement for Jewell will likely be a turning point whether things turn up, down or stay the same could be contingent upon just one hire.

Let's not forget that guys like Nate Leaman and Rand Pecknold played DIII hockey and Ron Fogarty at Princeton essentially shattered record books at DIII Adrian before being hired by P (.670 career)

Regardless of where a guy coaches or played or learned the game, it's the knowledge they have AND their ability to share It in a way that kids can absorb that matters-- just my two cents.

 

[rpi82]

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Yes, and that is something that doesn’t go unnoticed by players and parents these days especially if the father played pro. It might be helpful from the standpoint of recruiting to try and convince players he knows what it takes to play pro, but it doesn’t necessarily mean he can develop players. There is a big difference between coaching minor pro and D-I hockey.

True, but we’ve won two national championships and both head coaches had no college or pro hockey playing experience.


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[Ralph Baer]

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Let's not forget that guys like Nate Leaman and Rand Pecknold played DIII hockey and Ron Fogarty at Princeton essentially shattered record books at DIII Adrian before being hired by P (.670 career)

Regardless of where a guy coaches or played or learned the game, it's the knowledge they have AND their ability to share It in a way that kids can absorb that matters-- just my two cents.

Also Mike Addesa played for Holy Cross which was D-III at the time. He was primarily a football player.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Today is 26 March 2019. There are 193 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 5 October 2019 for the start of next season.

 

[rpi82]

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Also Mike Addesa played for Holy Cross which was D-III at the time. He was primarily a football player.

I don’t believe I’ve ever said this to Ralph before, but that is incorrect. Mike Addesa never played varsity hockey at Holy Cross. In fact, their first season was ‘66-‘67 and he graduated earlier that spring. Here’s a link to one of their old media guides and you can see that he is listed under coaches but is not on their all-time player roster.

https://goholycross.com/fls/33100/i...les/10-11-hockey-factbook.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=33100



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[Ralph Baer]

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I don’t believe I’ve ever said this to Ralph before, but that is incorrect. Mike Addesa never played varsity hockey at Holy Cross.

Welcome to the club. Everyone else has found errors which I have made.

 

[25+years]

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True, but we’ve won two national championships and both head coaches had no college or pro hockey playing experience.


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I realize the game has changed, but back in the 60's and 70's (you remember those days don't you), the coach at Ithaca High School, perennially one of the best high school hockey team's in the state, could not skate. Don't know if that means anything in the discussion, but I think you can "know" the game without ever playing it. It certainly helps a great deal,but if you know and understand the game and you are able to teach well, anything is possible.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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Coaching comes down to two things. Knowledge, and communication.
You can know a sport inside out, but if you can't pass that knowledge along to the team, then you are useless. And if you are great communicator but don't know what you are talking about, the same applies.
Where the knowledge comes from really doesn't matter.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Coaching comes down to two things. Knowledge, and communication.
You can know a sport inside out, but if you can't pass that knowledge along to the team, then you are useless. And if you are great communicator but don't know what you are talking about, the same applies.
Where the knowledge comes from really doesn't matter.

One can say that about a teacher also.

 

[Bradz]

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Let's not forget that guys like Nate Leaman and Rand Pecknold played DIII hockey and Ron Fogarty at Princeton essentially shattered record books at DIII Adrian before being hired by P (.670 career)

Regardless of where a guy coaches or played or learned the game, it's the knowledge they have AND their ability to share It in a way that kids can absorb that matters-- just my two cents.

Like any other profession, some can, and some can’t. In today’s game players at the D-I level can easily identify the pretenders. By the time players reach the University level they have experienced a multitude of coaching types including some that can, and some that can’t.

If people don’t think assistant coaches on any hockey team are critical to success, so be it…and don’t think for a second that McElroy isn’t watching what is going on carefully.

 

[capswon]

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Ralph, feel free to move this post because it encompasses both RPI threads. With Jewell "apparently " gone, one would think Smith is going to have to stand pat with his current roster personnel. If he starts jettisoning players, any potential recruits who are teetering on staying or going may see that as a definite sign of instability with the program. Like turk said these schools are constantly in the players ear. The gentleman's agreement went out the window years ago, hence one dagger that cost Enrico his job at Miami. It will be an interesting summer for sure.

 

[Noresmen]

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I doubt any of our seniors get signed. None of them are good enough to play professionally except for maybe Chase Perry since he was a draft pick. However, I would guess he's not getting signed as I think he would've signed by now if the Red Wings were offering him.

Perry had double hip surgery so he won't even begin skating until some time in May. Wiffen is injured and the other 2 seniors are Graduate students and I'm sure there first thoughts are on graduating with their Masters degrees.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Ralph, feel free to move this post because it encompasses both RPI threads. With Jewell "apparently " gone, one would think Smith is going to have to stand pat with his current roster personnel. If he starts jettisoning players, any potential recruits who are teetering on staying or going may see that as a definite sign of instability with the program. Like turk said these schools are constantly in the players ear. The gentleman's agreement went out the window years ago, hence one dagger that cost Enrico his job at Miami. It will be an interesting summer for sure.

That makes sense to me although I suspect that we may lose other recruits.

Certain things which have occurred recently on the recruit thread and making me seriously consider disappearing myself.

SA is history. Fontaine's leaving has nothing to do with him.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Good news for once (at least in my opinion)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_Hockey</a> Defenseman and <a href="https://twitter.com/penguins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@penguins</a> prospect Will Reilly will return for his senior year via RPI Head Coach Dave Smith <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RPIHockey</a></p>— Joe Boyle (@boyleralertTroy) <a href="https://twitter.com/boyleralertTroy/status/1110621385276178432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[sezenack]

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Good news for once (at least in my opinion)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_Hockey</a> Defenseman and <a href="https://twitter.com/penguins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@penguins</a> prospect Will Reilly will return for his senior year via RPI Head Coach Dave Smith <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RPIHockey</a></p>— Joe Boyle (@boyleralertTroy) <a href="https://twitter.com/boyleralertTroy/status/1110621385276178432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thank god

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

That makes sense to me although I suspect that we may lose other recruits..,,.

I fear you may well be right RB ...I'm scratching my head as to how to put a positive spin on things at HFH.....Not having much luck.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Good news for once (at least in my opinion)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_Hockey</a> Defenseman and <a href="https://twitter.com/penguins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@penguins</a> prospect Will Reilly will return for his senior year via RPI Head Coach Dave Smith <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RPIHockey</a></p>— Joe Boyle (@boyleralertTroy) <a href="https://twitter.com/boyleralertTroy/status/1110621385276178432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Article which I can't read because I have read too may articles. I suspect that I could just delete the cookies.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reilly to return to <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_Hockey</a> for senior season <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RPIHockey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RPIHockey</a><a href="https://t.co/KGbz3QLnBd">https://t.co/KGbz3QLnBd</a> <a href="https://t.co/mcR7wbm1Mn">pic.twitter.com/mcR7wbm1Mn</a></p>— Troy Record Sports (@TroyRecordSport) <a href="https://twitter.com/TroyRecordSport/status/1110629926259118080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>