Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
I just love hearing from people who don't know any better.
I just love hearing from people who don't know any better.
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RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
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Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
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Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
My point about Q was about staying in the league. Regarding where the tournament is played: when I think Lake Placid, I think Olympics and 1980 and a nice summer resort town. I do not think ECAC hockey, especially considering the league has shuttled its finals between LP, Albany, Atlantic City three times in the last decade. I don't see what benefit the league gets by being the only story in a small town for one weekend in March. Maybe you are right that all that's needed is the right mix of teams and that would fill the arena (or come close) and create a buzz. But without that ideal mix of teams (a big gamble you get more than 1-2 of these on any consistent basis) I don't see how playing on a small out of the way stage in any way helps the league. Lake Placid might be nice and some of the diehards might really enjoy that trip every year just to see hockey regardless of who plays, but I think if you're trying to grow the brand (and market the league not only to new fans but also potential recruits) it's not a good choice, and I think the league will just continue to guarantee itself zero exposure and media coverage by playing there.
My point about Q was about staying in the league. Regarding where the tournament is played: when I think Lake Placid, I think Olympics and 1980 and a nice summer resort town. I do not think ECAC hockey, especially considering the league has shuttled its finals between LP, Albany, Atlantic City three times in the last decade. I don't see what benefit the league gets by being the only story in a small town for one weekend in March. Maybe you are right that all that's needed is the right mix of teams and that would fill the arena (or come close) and create a buzz. But without that ideal mix of teams (a big gamble you get more than 1-2 of these on any consistent basis) I don't see how playing on a small out of the way stage in any way helps the league. Lake Placid might be nice and some of the diehards might really enjoy that trip every year just to see hockey regardless of who plays, but I think if you're trying to grow the brand (and market the league not only to new fans but also potential recruits) it's not a good choice, and I think the league will just continue to guarantee itself zero exposure and media coverage by playing there.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
Where in the world could we play where you think ECAC Hockey before anything else? It's not like people hear TD Garden and think Hockey East. That conference tournament isn't even the biggest hockey tournament played there each season!
Lake Placid may just be a tiny resort town, but it's the home of USA Hockey's greatest accomplishment, something that was achieved with a team of college players. It's certainly a better option than Atlantic City or the TUC.
Where in the world could we play where you think ECAC Hockey before anything else? It's not like people hear TD Garden and think Hockey East. That conference tournament isn't even the biggest hockey tournament played there each season!
Lake Placid may just be a tiny resort town, but it's the home of USA Hockey's greatest accomplishment, something that was achieved with a team of college players. It's certainly a better option than Atlantic City or the TUC.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
Why do you think the league shuttled the finals between LP, AC, and Albany? They were trying to grow. They found that having it Albany was a failure, and having in Atlantic City was a miserable failure. Lake Placid may not be ideal, but this has been rehashed several times over the years. Seeing as how they just signed a three year contract extension, something must be working. Now that the Glens Falls Civic Center lost the high school basketball tournament, that may be a viable option, but you aren't going to get a much better choice than Lake Placid, unless you have it on a campus site.
Why do you think the league shuttled the finals between LP, AC, and Albany? They were trying to grow. They found that having it Albany was a failure, and having in Atlantic City was a miserable failure. Lake Placid may not be ideal, but this has been rehashed several times over the years. Seeing as how they just signed a three year contract extension, something must be working. Now that the Glens Falls Civic Center lost the high school basketball tournament, that may be a viable option, but you aren't going to get a much better choice than Lake Placid, unless you have it on a campus site.
QUAlum2004
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Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
I'd consider Springfield, MA once the casino is completed downtown. The Mass Mutual Center is a perfect size for hockey at over 6800 seats. The venue is 1 hour from both Quinnipiac and Yale, 1 and half hours from RPI, 1 hour and 45 from Union, 2 hours down 91 for Dartmouth, 1 and half hours from Harvard, and hour and a half to Brown. The teams with the longest drives would be SLU, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell and Princeton. This is a central location for all the teams. The only thing that it doesn't have is the history of Lake Placid. But its a lot easier to get to for the majority of the teams in the league.
I'd consider Springfield, MA once the casino is completed downtown. The Mass Mutual Center is a perfect size for hockey at over 6800 seats. The venue is 1 hour from both Quinnipiac and Yale, 1 and half hours from RPI, 1 hour and 45 from Union, 2 hours down 91 for Dartmouth, 1 and half hours from Harvard, and hour and a half to Brown. The teams with the longest drives would be SLU, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell and Princeton. This is a central location for all the teams. The only thing that it doesn't have is the history of Lake Placid. But its a lot easier to get to for the majority of the teams in the league.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
LP is a great place to visit, occasionally. I think after 3-4 years of walking the same main street and hitting the same 4 or 5 bars and the same 4 or 5 restaurants, it gets old unless you are a winter sports enthusiast. Boston is a great destination and it would be a terrific spot if the ECAC and HE ever merged (LOL), but other than that, I agree that it will never be the way it was when the old ECAC tourney was held there.
I know few will agree with me, but after the new Albany Convention Center opens (2017) and the TUC is renovated (this year), I would like to see a rotation between LP and Albany. The ECAC is set in LP through 2020. By then downtown Albany could be much more attractive for this event. The Times Union Center was built for hockey and the new convention center and arena improvements are designed to accommodate major NCAA events. There are pluses and minuses to both LP and Albany. The bottom line is, you will not draw large crowds anywhere if you don't have at least 2 of the top drawing teams (CCT, Cornell, Q'Pac, RPI, Yale in the field. Think MAAC basketball, which drew 3,100 to a championship game without Siena.
LP is a great place to visit, occasionally. I think after 3-4 years of walking the same main street and hitting the same 4 or 5 bars and the same 4 or 5 restaurants, it gets old unless you are a winter sports enthusiast. Boston is a great destination and it would be a terrific spot if the ECAC and HE ever merged (LOL), but other than that, I agree that it will never be the way it was when the old ECAC tourney was held there.
I know few will agree with me, but after the new Albany Convention Center opens (2017) and the TUC is renovated (this year), I would like to see a rotation between LP and Albany. The ECAC is set in LP through 2020. By then downtown Albany could be much more attractive for this event. The Times Union Center was built for hockey and the new convention center and arena improvements are designed to accommodate major NCAA events. There are pluses and minuses to both LP and Albany. The bottom line is, you will not draw large crowds anywhere if you don't have at least 2 of the top drawing teams (CCT, Cornell, Q'Pac, RPI, Yale in the field. Think MAAC basketball, which drew 3,100 to a championship game without Siena.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
I'm sorry, I just hope this guy keeps on posting forever. It's just one laugh after another. It's kinda like FlagDUDE without the violent outbursts.
I'm sorry, I just hope this guy keeps on posting forever. It's just one laugh after another. It's kinda like FlagDUDE without the violent outbursts.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
And besides, AspyDad listed 9 teams - who wants an odd number. I'd only take Niagara once, and keep it 8Niagara has two teams?
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
If it's about a central location, they'll go back to Albany.
If it's about a central location, they'll go back to Albany.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
If they want to host the tournament in a slum with a casino in it, Schenectady will fit that bill soon enough - but why they'd do that when it failed so spectacularly in Atlantic City...
If they want to host the tournament in a slum with a casino in it, Schenectady will fit that bill soon enough - but why they'd do that when it failed so spectacularly in Atlantic City...
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
Rather than reshuffle the ECAC, it seems to me that the far better solution is to replace the entire top level of ECAC management. They seem to be failing at several core metrics. Who has the authority to hold them accountable?
I'd love to see the 24 hockey coaches and the 12 athletic directors team up to force the hiring of some competent executives in ECAC headquarters far, far more than to have any further conference re-arrangements.
Rather than reshuffle the ECAC, it seems to me that the far better solution is to replace the entire top level of ECAC management. They seem to be failing at several core metrics. Who has the authority to hold them accountable?
I'd love to see the 24 hockey coaches and the 12 athletic directors team up to force the hiring of some competent executives in ECAC headquarters far, far more than to have any further conference re-arrangements.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
You kind of answered your own question, but I think the overriding problem is that the Ivies are a little bit more in their own world and aren't as wrapped up in the day-to-day of the ECAC.
You kind of answered your own question, but I think the overriding problem is that the Ivies are a little bit more in their own world and aren't as wrapped up in the day-to-day of the ECAC.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
Given this, what is the likelihood of the Ivies breaking off from ECAC hockey and starting their own hockey conference, similar to what they do in basketball?
Given this, what is the likelihood of the Ivies breaking off from ECAC hockey and starting their own hockey conference, similar to what they do in basketball?
QUAlum2004
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Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
I think that if UPenn elevated back to a D1 program obviously they would break off. I don't think they will until that is the case.
I think that if UPenn elevated back to a D1 program obviously they would break off. I don't think they will until that is the case.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
That topic has come up all the time conference changes are mentioned for the last 30 years. If it hasn't happened yet, it's not happening.
That topic has come up all the time conference changes are mentioned for the last 30 years. If it hasn't happened yet, it's not happening.
sk8tronthepond
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Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
The Ivies will remain a part of the ECAC. However, they were the reason why Hockey East was formed. They still only play 29 games, however, other non-ivy school presidents like the affiliation with the Ivies in the ECAC. As far as FF's comments regarding the ECAC hierarchy, they are hired by the collective ECAC AD's, so it would be the AD's holding them accountable. However, school AD's and coaches are sometimes not on the same page when it comes to what is good for the league. The AD's take their marching orders from the President's.
The Ivies will remain a part of the ECAC. However, they were the reason why Hockey East was formed. They still only play 29 games, however, other non-ivy school presidents like the affiliation with the Ivies in the ECAC. As far as FF's comments regarding the ECAC hierarchy, they are hired by the collective ECAC AD's, so it would be the AD's holding them accountable. However, school AD's and coaches are sometimes not on the same page when it comes to what is good for the league. The AD's take their marching orders from the President's.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
Obviously.
Well, that logic's just iron clad. Gonna go ahead and apply that to nuclear war.
Obviously.
Well, that logic's just iron clad. Gonna go ahead and apply that to nuclear war.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
I mean, you can't say that definitively unless the Ivy League disbands. There will always be the risk that those six pull up stakes.
I mean, you can't say that definitively unless the Ivy League disbands. There will always be the risk that those six pull up stakes.
Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer
good analogy. springfield? Wow.
good analogy. springfield? Wow.
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