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RPI 2013/14 Part II: The HFH is Covered with Frozen Drivel

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Beman said:
Also Denver on a change at least 7 guys on the ice so Engineer player shoots the puck at the Denver bench. Penalty too many men on ice right? No call. I usually don't complain about refs but.....
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If a player on the team completing the line change (in this case Denver) PURPOSEFULLY touches either the puck or an opposing player it is a too many men penalty. If the puck touches another player that is the team changing lines accidentally then there is no penalty. Not being at the game and just reading your post, it sounds like the right call was made.
 
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Beman said:
Five was too many and seven is not enough. I was critical of Appert early and often. I still am but he has some young players and some in the pipeline. I'd hate to have to start over.
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Doesn't matter when you see it. My friends saw it early as well. At this point, it isn't the individuals that is the issue.
 
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jericho said:
If a player on the team completing the line change (in this case Denver) PURPOSEFULLY touches either the puck or an opposing player it is a too many men penalty. If the puck touches another player that is the team changing lines accidentally then there is no penalty. Not being at the game and just reading your post, it sounds like the right call was made.
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I was on the Troylet side so I don't know if it was touched.
 
jericho said:
If a player on the team completing the line change (in this case Denver) PURPOSEFULLY touches either the puck or an opposing player it is a too many men penalty. If the puck touches another player that is the team changing lines accidentally then there is no penalty. Not being at the game and just reading your post, it sounds like the right call was made.
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Thanks my vantage point wasn't good. But the puck slowed up so I think someone touched. On purpose or not couldn't tell ya. Give the official the benefit of the doubt
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
So long as you are here to bully other people, I am not leaving. The line is drawn here.
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Gosh, you're brave.

Yes, I'm a bully for telling you that you are wrong. You must have the thinnest skin ever.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Because he knows how to win in leagues that aren't the EZAC. We're in this blasted league, so we need to play like it, and stop resigning ourselves to be lab rats where new coaches mess with us and then move on.
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Reposted as further proof that we're dealing with a crazy person. This would be hilarious if I didn't know he was serious.
 
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1988 said:
For conversation sake RC would be correct in his comment regarding RPI's offensive standing. I am not a big accum stats person but if you take a minute and drill into the numbers RPI would still probably be a top 10 scoring team. Most hockey purest would agree that the magic number is scoring 3 goals in a game --- that tends to give you around a 65% (in that ball park) chance of winning points. So its not necessarily what your average is but how often you score 3 goals a game. In the 17 games RPI has played so far they have scored 3 goals in 13 of them or put another way they have given themselves a good chance to win points in 76% of the games they played. Boston College leads the nation in goals per game (they have 3 games where they scored 7 -9 -11 goals). In the 16 games they have played they have scored 3 or more goals in 10 of those games for 63%. From a technical standpoint RPI's offense is consistently more productive than BC's --- does not mean they are the better team.
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So to be clear - you don't take into consideration the strength of the opponents when you look at the numbers? Geez we just played two games vs. a better than average team and only scored 2 goals in 128 minutes. Of course the number of goals per game you give up has as strong a correlation to the outcome as goals scored. Those percentages you quote are meaningless unless you include all the parameters that affect the outcome.
 
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lugnut92 said:
In my own little act of first world anarchy, I have written the notes for the first line of Hail on the boards of the classroom (apparently usually used for Music students) I'm taking my final in today. That's what Yale gets for scheduling a final on a freaking Sunday.
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Thanks to a gazillion dollar endowment, music students go to Yale for free. No wonder the members of the Yale Precision Marching Band are always smiling.
 
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DeepRed72 said:
So to be clear - you don't take into consideration the strength of the opponents when you look at the numbers? Geez we just played two games vs. a better than average team and only scored 2 goals in 128 minutes. Of course the number of goals per game you give up has as strong a correlation to the outcome as goals scored. Those percentages you quote are meaningless unless you include all the parameters that affect the outcome.
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My initial post was in regards to RPI's national gpg ranking. It was not directed to a small sample size of 2 games against Denver or parameters that affect outcome it was simply about offensive productivity. I will use a different format to make the same point --- still using BC and 3 goals in a game as the standard. Lets use both the USA Today (top 15) and USCHO (top 20) polls dated 12/9. In the USA poll BC has played 6 games against teams in the top 15 and scored 3 or more goals in 3 games for 50%. RPI has also played 6 games against teams in the top 15 and scored 3 or more goals in 4 games for 67%. In the USCHO top 20 poll BC is 6 for 9 and 67% and RPI is 4 for 8 and 50%. If BC is one of the top offensive teams in the country then RPI is part of the conversation from an offensive productivity standpoint. While things may change in the second half of the season the bottom line is they are not nearly as poor an offensive team at this point in time as you are trying to make them out to be and that was my initial point.
 
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Im obviously missing something here Denver comes to town a perenial power house out of the midwest I believe they have 7 or 8 NHL draft picks on the team and one of the best if not THE best goalie in the country and we played them for all intense purposes to a standstill. If you listen to some of the bed wetters here you would think we played 2 overtime games against the Denver Youth Hockey Association. As far as what games count and which ones don't news flash they all count and the more ways some people try to crunch numbers to prove some sort of point the more suspect they are as they say Figures don't lie but liars figure maybe liars is to strong a word lets call them hater's. And I also know why SA didn't leave he told me it was because he would miss FlagDUDE08... Honest to God crazy but true..we had dinner at Jacks Hamburgers @ the picnic table by the mens room. Anyone whom eats at jack's know tactically that is a much desired table. Oh and one last word for our number crunchers we should remember it was an Engineer whom placed and designed Fukashima, Any Questions ?
 
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LTsatch said:
Thanks to a gazillion dollar endowment, music students go to Yale for free. No wonder the members of the Yale Precision Marching Band are always smiling.
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I played for them once. I didn't particularly enjoy it.
 
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Red Cloud said:
This is about right. I don't think anyone can have too much of a problem with the Fridgen era between 1994 when he took over and roughly 2001 or so, those were routinely good teams, many of which just barely missed out on going to the NCAAs. The 2001-02 team had a remarkable resurgence in January that produced a good end to what had been a tough year.

After that, I think the recruiting issues were becoming very noticeable, we were definitely losing battles for top level guys regularly. We got by for a few years on the talent of the very best guys on the team, but it was obvious after a while that the tide of the team was moving in the wrong direction.

Then Appert came in and pretty much burned the program to the ground with a purpose - to build it back up. It's evident in the struggles of the first three years of his direction that it wasn't going to be a matter of flipping a switch. But here we now stand, with three winning seasons in the last four, likely to become four in the last five. The trend is now upward. I don't think you can look at the 2004-05 Engineers and see a team that had a better than average shot at playing in the NCAAs. You look at this year's team, and next year's team, and I'm reasonably certain that you do. The preseason polls are indeed meaningless when the puck hits the ice, but people who know something about hockey had some high expectations for this team this season. Are they reaching those expectations? I don't think they are quite yet.

Yale had some pretty high expectations last year and they were in a pretty rough spot during the regular season, too.
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I agree with most of this analysis, I was critical of one time of Seth, but he can recruit, and has gotten some good players here. Unfortunately, the best ones left early, and I think we have different discussions if folks don't leave early.
 
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slightly different topic - planning a trip to Brown with my kids to see RPI on the road. Anyone here who goes to Meehan - can you fill me in on the RPI section? Thanks.
 
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ServinisScores said:
slightly different topic - planning a trip to Brown with my kids to see RPI on the road. Anyone here who goes to Meehan - can you fill me in on the RPI section? Thanks.
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Pretty much the entire Arena except for the student section (and they won't show up until the game is half way finished).
 
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