RPI 2009 - 2010 Part II: I Believe in Seth Appert

[Ralph Baer]

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Wow, Arnie Peer, there's a name from the past. He was a real gentleman who I met many years ago as a young attorney. I never knew he was involved in hockey until years afterward.

My recollection is that he was one of the better refs back then.

 

[DrDemento]

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Which is exactly why we need to have two people on the mike.

As Rob knows, hockey is by far the toughest game to call live. He correctly pointed out that a guy working alone has all he can do to follow the puck and get the words out of his mouth fast enough, let alone have time to glance away to see what's happening in front of the net or away from the puck or on the bench...odds are some things are going to be missed and the broadcast suffers for it.

I don't recall Heiman drawing Brut's call into question, but I trust GLM. That said, if the opposing teams announcers are laughing on the air about the call that benefitted their team, I think we've sacrificed too much to objectivity, jeopardizing an accurate account of what is happening on the ice, which we are all hoping is what we are listening to.

Let me be clear -- I'm not trying to run down Heiman -I appreciate his time and efforts. (Compared to "Screaming Jason" from year's past, he is a godsend. ) My point is, this one play is prime example of why we need two people on the mike for games. There's just too much ice for one guy to see it all and catch all the nuances, action away from the puck, etc.

OK, I've gotten that off my chest for this season... I'll now brace myself for the anger I will now face for criticizing WRPI.

Wicked-really agree about the need for 2 guys on the mike but have to say if I have my choice of who to listen to I pick Tim. He has done a consistently excellent job. But you are so right-no 1 guy can see it all when it comes to hockey.

 

[DrDemento]

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In regards to Bergin and concussions-the Americn Academy of Neurology has a new scale of Grading concussions from 1-3 (I do not know why they dropped Grade 4. If Bergin did indeed suffer a Grade 1 then there was no loss of consciousness at all and his immediate symptoms must have cleared within 15 minutes. I am old fashioned and still like the older grading system. Also, there are a myriad of symptoms that are considered late symptoms which can appear days to weeks later that need to be taken into consideration.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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I am old fashioned and still like the older grading system...

Why am I picturing DocD standing over an injured player asking him: " How many fingers?..."

I think my high school football coach used the older grading system too...Our starting fullback/linebacker got knocked out cold on a helmet to helmet hit. He missed a series or two while the smelling salts kicked in...THEN the coach put him back in. That is, until his mom jumnped the chain link and threatened the coach with castration...true story.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Wow, Arnie Peer, there's a name from the past. He was a real gentleman who I met many years ago as a young attorney. I never knew he was involved in hockey until years afterward.

Young attorney? You haven't had to go up against Alex Dell yet, have you?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Wicked-really agree about the need for 2 guys on the mike but have to say if I have my choice of who to listen to I pick Tim. He has done a consistently excellent job. But you are so right-no 1 guy can see it all when it comes to hockey.

I am also in agreement. As much as it took me a bit of time to get with the objectiveness (What can I say, I listen to Rick Jeanneret call Sabres games), he does a very fabulous job with calling the games. It adds a lot even to the RPI-TV broadcasts, and is at the right pace for the game. Well done, Tim.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Which is exactly why we need to have two people on the mike.

As Rob knows, hockey is by far the toughest game to call live. He correctly pointed out that a guy working alone has all he can do to follow the puck and get the words out of his mouth fast enough, let alone have time to glance away to see what's happening in front of the net or away from the puck or on the bench...odds are some things are going to be missed and the broadcast suffers for it.

I don't recall Heiman drawing Brut's call into question, but I trust GLM. That said, if the opposing teams announcers are laughing on the air about the call that benefitted their team, I think we've sacrificed too much to objectivity, jeopardizing an accurate account of what is happening on the ice, which we are all hoping is what we are listening to.

Let me be clear -- I'm not trying to run down Heiman -I appreciate his time and efforts. (Compared to "Screaming Jason" from year's past, he is a godsend. ) My point is, this one play is prime example of why we need two people on the mike for games. There's just too much ice for one guy to see it all and catch all the nuances, action away from the puck, etc.

OK, I've gotten that off my chest for this season... I'll now brace myself for the anger I will now face for criticizing WRPI.

I liked Jayson also. I think that almost all of the announcers that I have listened to on WRPI (or when games were also on commercial stations) over the years have been good, realizing that that after I left in 1974, I heard very few games until WRPI started broadcasting over the internet.

 

[Wholin1]

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Young attorney? You haven't had to go up against Alex Dell yet, have you?

I was young then, not so much now . Never met him, I think he's a worker's comp specialist. Another lawyer I know, Chuck Thomas, at least until recently ran the penalty box at HFH. He still may for all I know. He volunteered to give me a tour.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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I was young then, not so much now . Never met him, I think he's a worker's comp specialist. Another lawyer I know, Chuck Thomas, at least until recently ran the penalty box at HFH. He still may for all I know. He volunteered to give me a tour.

He's probably the same guy who always opens our penalty box door prematurely...assuming we're getting two...

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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I liked Jayson also. I think that almost all of the announcers that I have listened to on WRPI (or when games were also on commercial stations) over the years have been good, realizing that that after I left in 1974, I heard very few games until WRPI started broadcasting over the internet.

He certainly didn't lack enthusiasm, even if he at times sacrificed clarity for jubilation ...

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Thread on Hockey's Future about the ECAC http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=702933. Not much there, but

RPI has steadily become a vastly improved team since Seth Appert to over the program a few years ago. And one reason they're better is that Appert and Co. have done an incredible job in recruiting kids that truly buy into Appert's system. Appert has a very good eye for talent. If you don't believe me, ask the DU faithful about some of the top players that have gone on to successful pro careers...many of whom were recruited by Appert. Two things that I've noticed early on that has really gotten the Engineers on track. 1) they finally found a goalie Allen York. He's not spectacular, but he gets the job done. 2) More balanced scoring. Last season, it was pretty much the Chase Polacek show in Troy, but rookies D'Amigo and Pirri have really added some impressive offensive depth for RPI.

 

[Red Cloud]

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"Without A Peer"? Are you lamenting the fact that Arnie Peer is no longer reffing in the HFH (and probably hasn't in over 20 years)? facepalm?

Facepalm? Yup.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Facepalm? Yup.

That bear doesn't look like me at all.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I was young then, not so much now . Never met him, I think he's a worker's comp specialist. Another lawyer I know, Chuck Thomas, at least until recently ran the penalty box at HFH. He still may for all I know. He volunteered to give me a tour.

The two minute or five minute variety?

 

[knsmith]

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Thread on Hockey's Future about the ECAC http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=702933. Not much there, but

I don't like to think I'm a bandwagon guy, but I have jump in and dispute that York hasn't been "spectacular" - .941 save pct, 1.77 GAA in ECAC play. Other than last year, that would usually have had him (easily) leading the league in each of those statistics.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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I don't like to think I'm a bandwagon guy, but I have jump in and dispute that York hasn't been "spectacular" - .941 save pct, 1.77 GAA in ECAC play. Other than last year, that would usually have had him (easily) leading the league in each of those statistics.

Totally agree KNS, I don't know of any D1 coach who wouldn't jump at a goalie with a .941/1.77 . Granted the sample is small, but if Alan continues his ho-hum, "unspectacular" sub 2 GAA, there will be A LOT of W's in our future.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Anyone heading out to Niagara tomorrow? I'm seriously thinking about it, but need to come back after the game...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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He also didn't play much last year. Let's also take a look at the games he DID play (aside from the playoff run of course)... Miami, and lost 7-1. From what I saw, that game might as well have been 15-0; York made it closer than it seemed. USA under-18, and lost 5-4. OK, so it's a tough team, and look where one of the players went. Three games in which he lost in OT (which BTW that was the first time Coach Appert had EVER lost in OT in the regular season): Bentley, Union, Colgate. Two of them were fluky; it happens. I don't know about the Bentley game though. Also stopped a penalty shot in one of those.

But now let's take a look at what Coach really thinks is important: work ethic and personal improvement. He learned a LOT from Mathias, especially on how to play against the ECAC. Working with Coach to develop his skills and fight for his spot. He certainly earned it in the postseason, and showed that if RPI goes down, they go down fighting. When the pressure is on, he does anything possible to preserve RPI's standing in the game. And because of that effort, look at the stats knsmith posted.

Spectacular? Debatable, though I would consider it to be true. Earned his right to play and does so with a bang? You bet.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Anyone heading out to Niagara tomorrow? I'm seriously thinking about it, but need to come back after the game...

Yes sir, I will be. I will also be bringing along one of my siblings, as he is in the area. I am going to look for general admission seating. I shouldn't be hard to pick out if you want to say hi, I'm the dude with long hair.

Which reminds me, a week from now marks my 3rd anniversary of USCHO Fan Forum debut, and I wasn't even posting!

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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He also didn't play much last year. Let's also take a look at the games he DID play (aside from the playoff run of course)... Miami, and lost 7-1. From what I saw, that game might as well have been 15-0; York made it closer than it seemed. USA under-18, and lost 5-4. OK, so it's a tough team, and look where one of the players went. Three games in which he lost in OT (which BTW that was the first time Coach Appert had EVER lost in OT in the regular season): Bentley, Union, Colgate. Two of them were fluky; it happens. I don't know about the Bentley game though. Also stopped a penalty shot in one of those.

But now let's take a look at what Coach really thinks is important: work ethic and personal improvement. He learned a LOT from Mathias, especially on how to play against the ECAC. Working with Coach to develop his skills and fight for his spot. He certainly earned it in the postseason, and showed that if RPI goes down, they go down fighting. When the pressure is on, he does anything possible to preserve RPI's standing in the game. And because of that effort, look at the stats knsmith posted.

Spectacular? Debatable, though I would consider it to be true. Earned his right to play and does so with a bang? You bet.

The thing about York is that he plays like he's been here for years. Very calm, cool customer who covers a ton of the net and has stonewalling ability. Love him.