>>>>>RIT TIGERS... The Polisseum, just like the Ritter only more of us!<<<<<

[blazer777]

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I'm still don't understand the goalie situation. I believe there is no doubt that the team plays or at least always wins with Rotolo in AHA matches. The team just seems like it doesn't gel with Ruby. Although in Rubys defense, he always plays the first night, so everyone doesn't know what the expect, but come the second night everyone knows what they have to do plus Ruby and Rotolo can talk about what went wrong and what didn't.

Both goalies gave up two goals this weekend (soft, hard, who knows). The difference is an offense that scored more on Saturday and apparently officials who called a better game Saturday night.

The Tigers seem to play a better game offensively on the second night of a two game set.

What if you put Rotolo in on Friday and Ruby on Saturday this weekend, would that make a difference?

 

[komey1]

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Not sure how the goalie can cause a too many men penalty, nor how the second goal is all on Rotolo, but in any event there is no doubt in my mind they play overall better and more confident in front of him.

Rotolo shot the puck at the RIT bench during a line change. It touched a player going off the ice. That's how he cause it.

Both goalies are playing pretty well right now. They know when they are going to play. Ruby played well enough to win Friday - but the offense didn't score for him. If you looked at stats without looking at the score, you would have thought RIT would have won.

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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" - but the offense didn't score for him."

Three goals seems to be the magic goal number this year for this RIT team, they have not won a game in which they have scored less than three goals. In AHA play they have four wins on Fridays and four wins on Saturdays.

 

[Tom Naeger]

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I'm still don't understand the goalie situation. I believe there is no doubt that the team plays or at least always wins with Rotolo in AHA matches. The team just seems like it doesn't gel with Ruby. Although in Rubys defense, he always plays the first night, so everyone doesn't know what the expect, but come the second night everyone knows what they have to do plus Ruby and Rotolo can talk about what went wrong and what didn't.

AHA Play numbers:

Ruby 1.88 GAA .931 1 SO 4W-4L-4 Sister Kisses
Rotolo 2.62 GAA .898 4W-2L-0

Records wise, maybe give Rotolo on his smaller sample size a small edge, but looking at those numbers Ruby posted in 12 AHA games. The team should send him an "IOU" Card! Those are Madolora area numbers, Ruby should probably have more like a 10-1-1 record. Now Rotolo has played very well in his last couple of starts, but talk about giving either guy the number 1 job is crazy. The one deciding fact for me is going to be who shows the ability to make big save when the team needs it and who doesn't allow the soft goals. At this point it's close on both accounts with Rotolo being a little better at making the big save at the big moment and Ruby not allowing soft goals...

 

[RIT Winters]

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AHA Play numbers:

Ruby 1.88 GAA .931 1 SO 4W-4L-4 Sister Kisses
Rotolo 2.62 GAA .898 4W-2L-0

Records wise, maybe give Rotolo on his smaller sample size a small edge, but looking at those numbers Ruby posted in 12 AHA games. The team should send him an "IOU" Card! Those are Madolora area numbers, Ruby should probably have more like a 10-1-1 record. Now Rotolo has played very well in his last couple of starts, but talk about giving either guy the number 1 job is crazy. The one deciding fact for me is going to be who shows the ability to make big save when the team needs it and who doesn't allow the soft goals. At this point it's close on both accounts with Rotolo being a little better at making the big save at the big moment and Ruby not allowing soft goals...

It says a lot that in half as many games Rotolo has the same number of wins, though.

Also are you sure your numbers are right? Rotolo's AHA SV% is identical to his overall?

 

[komey1]

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It says a lot that in half as many games Rotolo has the same number of wins, though.

Also are you sure your numbers are right? Rotolo's AHA SV% is identical to his overall?

Rotolo's conference save percentage in conference is .894

Ruby has better stats - but doesn't have more wins to show for it. It's like the baseball pitcher who only allows 1 or 2 runs but can't seem to get a win. I don't know what more Ruby can do.

 

[LtPowers]

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Still not buying the high total shots should equal a win, Sacred Heart put 40 up against us and lost. I think of the analogy of boxing, Mike Tyson wasn't known for jabbing his way to victory, his total punches thrown was usually pretty low, but we all agree that the hay makers that he threw when they connected, usually spelled trouble for his opponents. I'd take two or three quality chances from in front over a dozen wrist shots from the point. Anyway, about tonight.

Well that's still not what I'm saying.

A 2:1 shot ratio is indicative of strong time of possession and a good defensive night. So if we're possessing the puck in the offensive zone, and putting shots on net, what's keeping them from going in? That's the question I'm asking: How did we lose that game, given that it wasn't because we lagged in possession time or let Bentley set up in our zone?


Powers &8^]

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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Well that's still not what I'm saying.

A 2:1 shot ratio is indicative of strong time of possession and a good defensive night. So if we're possessing the puck in the offensive zone, and putting shots on net, what's keeping them from going in? That's the question I'm asking: How did we lose that game, given that it wasn't because we lagged in possession time or let Bentley set up in our zone?


Powers &8^]

Maybe just bad puck luck I guess, Lieutenant. They got the bounces, we didn't. Throw the ref's in there too, where we always seem to get more penalty minutes, but like someone else said, bad refs aren't exclusive to just RIT games, so I suppose it evens out across the AHA.

 

[RIT Winters]

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Rotolo's conference save percentage in conference is .894

Ruby has better stats - but doesn't have more wins to show for it. It's like the baseball pitcher who only allows 1 or 2 runs but can't seem to get a win. I don't know what more Ruby can do.

I think this also comes down to strength of schedule to some extent. Half of Rotolo's starts came against Air Force (2) and Robert Morris (1) who are both great teams. Robert Morris being the clear #1 in Atlantic Hockey this season. Rotolo had a great first game against Air Force and a bad second game...largely due to the team in front of him as I recall. All of these games were on the road.

Meanwhile Ruby was handed the keys to the kingdom with a stretch of games against Holy Cross, Canisius, Niagara, and Sacred Heart. With the exception of Canisius all of these teams are below us in the standings, and 5/8 of the games were at home.

Save percentage doesn't mean a whole lot with a small sample size, as one bad game can drastically skew it downwards if it makes up 20% of all your games. Since they have been trading off Friday/Saturday their numbers are much closer together with Rotolo taking the obvious lead in the most important stat: WINS

 

[RIT Winters]

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Well that's still not what I'm saying.

A 2:1 shot ratio is indicative of strong time of possession and a good defensive night. So if we're possessing the puck in the offensive zone, and putting shots on net, what's keeping them from going in? That's the question I'm asking: How did we lose that game, given that it wasn't because we lagged in possession time or let Bentley set up in our zone?


Powers &8^]

How much hockey do you watch? I don't mean to sound too condescending but hockey is full of stories like this. AIC has beaten the #1 ranked team in the country twice in the last few years, and been outshot something like 50-15 in doing so. The Buffalo Sabres and Edmonton Oilers both have wins this season...they aren't outplaying anybody on any night. Hell...the Latvians held Canada to only 2 goals in the Olympics last year and were tied with them until the 3rd!

As Air Force coach Frank Serratore once said, "sometime's I think this game should be called goalie", referring to the goalies ability to completely take over the game and ultimately decide it. Some of it comes down to RIT's shot selection (or lack thereof) and there's always whiffs you want back, but ultimately if you run headfirst into a determined goalie whose on his game that night, it can be hard to score.

Also as a goalie, if you're standing around at the other end not seeing shots all night, you'd be surprised how easily the soft ones will go in on you when they finally do come. This isn't a defense of Ruby (because it should be clear by now I favor Rotolo) but it does explain how a team can get outshot 2:1 and still manage to sneak in one more goal to grab victory.

 

[LtPowers]

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Maybe just bad puck luck I guess, Lieutenant. They got the bounces, we didn't. Throw the ref's in there too, where we always seem to get more penalty minutes, but like someone else said, bad refs aren't exclusive to just RIT games, so I suppose it evens out across the AHA.

Normally that would be the reasonable conclusion, except it keeps happening. Can puck luck explain away those results on a regular basis?


Powers &8^]

 

[cplinford]

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We should at least stop equating "puck luck" or a "hot goalie" with league parity based on a sample size of 1 game. You put AIC in a 7 game series against the number team in the country and they almost assuredly lose if the shot totals are 60-15 every game. Same thing if AIC plays ROMO, may win 1 game but aren't pulling out the series.

There was not parity when RIT played AIC either. The shot totals are good indicators of possession and offensive zone time. If college hockey stats had some of the fancy "advanced" NHL stats on possession it would have born the same thing out. What happened was RIT players shot selection was not great and/or AIC defensive zone coverage forced RIT into poor scoring chances, and/or AIC's goalie just had a single outstanding game.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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As Air Force coach Frank Serratore once said, "sometime's I think this game should be called goalie", referring to the goalies ability to completely take over the game and ultimately decide it. Some of it comes down to RIT's shot selection (or lack thereof) and there's always whiffs you want back, but ultimately if you run headfirst into a determined goalie whose on his game that night, it can be hard to score.

So we're going to recycle our old over-used excuse that RIT runs into hot goalies almost every night for the last 3+ seasons?
When controlling time of possession and shots on goal but not scoring much (except when Garbowsky is on the ice) becomes a trend for a given team game after game and season after season, it's no longer the opposing goalie causing it. It's the team.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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Normally that would be the reasonable conclusion, except it keeps happening. Can puck luck explain away those results on a regular basis?


Powers &8^]

No, absolutely not.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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We should at least stop equating "puck luck" or a "hot goalie" with league parity based on a sample size of 1 game. You put AIC in a 7 game series against the number team in the country and they almost assuredly lose if the shot totals are 60-15 every game. Same thing if AIC plays ROMO, may win 1 game but aren't pulling out the series.

There was not parity when RIT played AIC either. The shot totals are good indicators of possession and offensive zone time. If college hockey stats had some of the fancy "advanced" NHL stats on possession it would have born the same thing out. What happened was RIT players shot selection was not great and/or AIC defensive zone coverage forced RIT into poor scoring chances, and/or AIC's goalie just had a single outstanding game.

It's either their poor shot selection or just a team-wide lack of finishing ability (which ultimately could be due to not knowing how to select good shots, for that matter). RIT does seem to generate a number of apparently quality chances that don't get buried on a regular basis (except by # 9, of course).

 

[RIT Winters]

Re: >>>>>RIT TIGERS... The Polisseum, just like the Ritter only more of us!<<<<<

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We should at least stop equating "puck luck" or a "hot goalie" with league parity based on a sample size of 1 game. You put AIC in a 7 game series against the number team in the country and they almost assuredly lose if the shot totals are 60-15 every game. Same thing if AIC plays ROMO, may win 1 game but aren't pulling out the series.

There was not parity when RIT played AIC either. The shot totals are good indicators of possession and offensive zone time. If college hockey stats had some of the fancy "advanced" NHL stats on possession it would have born the same thing out. What happened was RIT players shot selection was not great and/or AIC defensive zone coverage forced RIT into poor scoring chances, and/or AIC's goalie just had a single outstanding game.

What are you suggesting? We took 3/4 points against AIC. If we had played them in a 7 game series we assuredly would have beaten them as well. They eeked out a tie in the final seconds of one game...it's not an indication of anything. We put up 3 goals that night, which is an above average amount for a hockey game. 3 goals/game is equal to what Boston College is doing this year.

So we're going to recycle our old over-used excuse that RIT runs into hot goalies almost every night for the last 3+ seasons?
When controlling time of possession and shots on goal but not scoring much (except when Garbowsky is on the ice) becomes a trend for a given team game after game and season after season, it's no longer the opposing goalie causing it. It's the team.

The team is currently middle of the pack in the NCAA in scoring, they aren't as anemic as people here are implying. Everyone was spoiled by the team scoring 4-5 a night against the AHA 3 years ago, well that isn't happening anymore. With parity comes lower scoring games, simple as that. There IS such a thing as hot goalies, puck luck, and being snake-bit. It happens to every team every season, it's not an old tired excuse...it's how the game works.

 

[komey1]

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I think goaltending around the league has gotten better, and that is a big cause of parity. I will bet scoring is down leaguewide from a few years ago.

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

Princeton and Army just finished their Wednesday night OOC game that was rescheduled from last night on account of the weather. Army will have one day's rest before RIT on Friday night. Do you think the short rest will give RIT an advantage? Army lost 4-1 to Princeton.

 

[jstadts]

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Princeton and Army just finished their Wednesday night OOC game that was rescheduled from last night on account of the weather. Army will have one day's rest before RIT on Friday night. Do you think the short rest will give RIT an advantage? Army lost 4-1 to Princeton.

I think it will give RIT an advantage all weekend.

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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I think it will give RIT an advantage all weekend.

I hope so, I know that I need a day to recover just from the drive up.